JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.504 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $20.55Hero: $80.14SB: $98BB: $142.68Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB raises to $8, UTG folds, Hero calls.Flop: ($16.75, 2 players)BB bets $11.5, Hero calls.Turn: ($39.75, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.River: ($39.75, 2 players)BB checks, Hero ???Villian is a 2+2 strat regular who plays at 11.6/7/2.3 over 5300 hands, winning @ almost 4bb/100. He probably sees me as an over aggressive LAG. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.504 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $20.55Hero: $80.14SB: $98BB: $142.68Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with UTG calls, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB raises to $8, UTG folds, Hero calls.Flop: ($16.75, 2 players)BB bets $11.5, Hero calls.Turn: ($39.75, 2 players)BB checks, Hero checks.River: ($39.75, 2 players)BB checks, Hero ???Villian is a 2+2 strat regular who plays at 11.6/7/2.3 over 5300 hands, winning @ almost 4bb/100. He probably sees me as an over aggressive LAG.Bet/fold 25 imo. It's pretty thin because his stats are nitty but he shouldn't be checking anything that beats us on the river. AQ is in his range right? Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 Bet/fold 25 imo. It's pretty thin because his stats are nitty but he shouldn't be checking anything that beats us on the river. AQ is in his range right?AQ is in his range, yes. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 If I believe that villain could very easily show up with AQ here, I like Snamuh's bet of 25. Villain isn't supposed to be checking hands that beat us, we need to get value out of this hand. This also could be a missed combo draw or something, giving up on this pot as well imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I think this action is an underpair most times. If I'm going to bet, I'm torn between $25 and $30 since I want to make it look like a missed draw since that's all I think he's going to pay. I'd probably say $25 even though $30 looks more like a bluff. Only two hands I could worry about here are AK and KK. (AK because he may c/r us off a chop) but I agree that the doesn't check the turn and river often with these hands. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 This also could be a missed combo draw or something, giving up on this pot as well imo.I don't think so. A combo draw would probably be played more aggressively.I think villain's range are underpairs/Kx/Ax. I like a bet of 25 on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I don't think I could ever ever check that river against anyone Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Any merit in overshoving here? Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I think this is probably tens or jacks a lot. A better hand is never checking over to us twice anyway. Bet the river for value and hope he shows up with AQ/AJ sometimes, even though he probably shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Any merit in overshoving here?this is what i was wondering, really. but i doubt there is. i don't see him as a ridic trapper, so AA, KK, QQ are probably not in his range by the 2nd check, so how to best make my hand look like a bluff? i think 25 is the right size for value, but what is the right size for an attempt to shove him off the pot? i really doubt he can call with much unless he's convinced i have air, there's just way too many hands that connect with that board. even a missed flush/straight draw can easily beat his underpair. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Since villain sees you as over-aggressive LAG, I'm betting the pot hereThe over shove is probably never called unless you're beat- which I don't see as AA QQ KK JT are unlikely hereI like $40 on the river as $25 looks too much like a value bet here Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Either way I don't think there is a ton of value, i would probably either check or throw you a small bet here. If he raises there is 0% chance you are good. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Either way I don't think there is a ton of value, i would probably either check or throw you a small bet here. If he raises there is 0% chance you are good.yeah, thats the problem with a PSB on the river - it's more likely imo to be called by a worse hand, but if i get raised, i'm a lot closer to being committed with what can't be the best hand. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I think Snamuh's advice is solid on B/F with $25. Overbet shoving is kind of cool if you know he won't check a strong hand twice, but I don't ever overbet shove as a bluff (or an extremely rare case). So I think against a villain that is decently solid, betting $25ish would keep missed flush heavily weighted in your range and is more likely to be called than a shove.I think it's pretty close though. Link to post Share on other sites
whatgreatis 0 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 We are betting 25 because his range is mostly one pair type hands so we want to give him a good price. Overbetting might make him fold some of his one pair hands. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 What the ****? Who folds an ace on this board against a LAG? Bet the pot. Why even play this guy if we don't think there's value in top two pair? Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 What the ****? Who folds an ace on this board against a LAG? Bet the pot. Why even play this guy if we don't think there's value in top two pair?Villain is a nit, but he perceives hero to be a LAG. Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 re-raise pre-flop. A strat reading reg vs you on the button with AK when he thinks your a LAG= profit preflop.Value town the riverI realise hes a nit but I don't understand the stats entirely yet, will be getting pev soon(ish) Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Villain is a nit, but he perceives hero to be a LAG.Yeah, OK, he's a nit.Is he also stupid? Link to post Share on other sites
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