2/4 Plo Middle Set In Bvb

[Merby 3]

This is my second hand at the table and I have no reads.1) Does anyone play PF differently in BVB? Without reads, I don't like getting too aggressive OOP, but this hand plays too well to simply fold HU. Am I too passive here?2) Our flop plan: does anyone object to the check-raise?3) Facing the 4-bet, does anyone consider folding at all?PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $4 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($396)BB ($422.20)UTG ($317.60)MP ($214.95)Button ($388)Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 8, 7, J. 3 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.Flop: ($28) 7, 4, Q(2 players)Hero checks, BB bets $16, Hero raises to $56, BB raises to $152, Hero...?

[BudBundy 0]

reads would help. Did he bet small with nuts to induce a raise before? How obsessed is he about blind wars?

[Frez 0]

Since OP stated no reads, if I'm playing within my bankroll, I get it all in here. I think this is like a low level NLHE cash game where you will always get it all in with KK PF.

[Merby 3]

This is my second hand at the table and I have no reads.

reads would help. Did he bet small with nuts to induce a raise before? How obsessed is he about blind wars?

Sorry BudBundy. This is literally my second hand at the table and I have not played against this opponent before.

[BudBundy 0]

I find it very difficult to fold here.Middle set on a dry flop in a blind battle. Unless he is a nit , i get it in.

[Merby 3]

I find it very difficult to fold here.Middle set on a dry flop in a blind battle. Unless he is a nit , i get it in.

Ditto. In the end, I moved all in on him and as everyone who read this thread knows, he called and turned over top set (otherwise I wouldn't have bothered posting this HH). I have some spewy problems with my post-flop game and just wanted to check base with you guys about this hand here.The one warning bell was that the flop was *so* dry, there were almost no monster draws that he could have here (it's possible that he could have a hand like [5678] or [5689]) . So when he 3-bet me, I was having a hard time putting him on anything other than top set, but in the end I said, "I have second nuts on a dry board in a BVB face-off, fk it! Aaw ein!"

[BigLebowski 0]

1) no and no2) no3) it was a only 3 bet, but without reads I will never ever fold thispush and kick your dog if he turns over QQxx

[iggymcfly 0]

First off, I'd raise preflop. You've got a really solid hand to the point that you don't mind getting 3-bet at all. On the flop though, you definitely have to get it in against an unknown. Bottom set is a strong possibilty, and I see a lot of people push wraps when they have no FE too. HU in a raised pot, there's no way you should be dumping middle set readless.I do have a tendency to get in a little too light on dry boards though. In spots where I do have reads to know that I'm up against a reasonably passive opponent, I still have a hard time giving them credit for a set when the money's relatively shallow. Here's a 10/20 cap hand that shows an example of what I'm talking about. The guy wasn't super-passive or anything and I was getting better than 2:1 on the call, but he was a little less aggressive than average, and the fact that he C/Red instead of leading, should have tipped me off that sets made up a very large portion of his range. Even if he's got 50% sets, 30% two pair, and 20% wraps, calling's still a mistake.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $10/$204 playersConverterPre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with Hero raises to $70, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: :D ($210, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $210, SB raises to $730, BB folds, Hero calls.Turn: ($1670, 2 players)River: ($1670, 2 players)Results:Final pot: $1670SB showed 8d 6c 6d 7dHero showed Qc Jd Jc Kc

[BudBundy 0]

First off, I'd raise preflop. You've got a really solid hand to the point that you don't mind getting 3-bet at all. On the flop though, you definitely have to get it in against an unknown. Bottom set is a strong possibilty, and I see a lot of people push wraps when they have no FE too. HU in a raised pot, there's no way you should be dumping middle set readless.I do have a tendency to get in a little too light on dry boards though. In spots where I do have reads to know that I'm up against a reasonably passive opponent, I still have a hard time giving them credit for a set when the money's relatively shallow. Here's a 10/20 cap hand that shows an example of what I'm talking about. The guy wasn't super-passive or anything and I was getting better than 2:1 on the call, but he was a little less aggressive than average, and the fact that he C/Red instead of leading, should have tipped me off that sets made up a very large portion of his range. Even if he's got 50% sets, 30% two pair, and 20% wraps, calling's still a mistake.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $10/$204 playersConverterPre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with Hero raises to $70, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: :D ($210, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $210, SB raises to $730, BB folds, Hero calls.Turn: ($1670, 2 players)River: ($1670, 2 players)Results:Final pot: $1670SB showed 8d 6c 6d 7dHero showed Qc Jd Jc Kc

I am playing 1-2 cap for the last 2 days.What adjustments have you made to your regular plo game in cap? How different is your strategy for cap limit?

[iggymcfly 0]

The main adjustment for cap is raising smaller/limping more preflop with hands that won't like a 3-bet, as if a big pair does get a 3-bet in, they'll usually be able to stick it on the flop unexploitably due to the smaller effective stack sizes. Also, if you're up against light raisers, your 3-betting range is going to be different, as the KKxx, AQQx type of hands become much better candidates for a reraise than the middle rundowns.

[Syous 0]

i'm giong to start learning some PLO as it's kinda fun so while I don't have any strong advice for the game, I would like to point outyou c/r'd his bet on the flop w/middle set and were clearly doing it for value. Shouldn't you be glad that he's 3betting?

[Sheiky 0]

i'm giong to start learning some PLO as it's kinda fun so while I don't have any strong advice for the game, I would like to point outyou c/r'd his bet on the flop w/middle set and were clearly doing it for value. Shouldn't you be glad that he's 3betting?

I understand where you're coming from, but I think this line of logic is generaly a tad naive, just because we chose to raise for value does not mean we WANT him to 3-bet us, when you say that you seem to be ignore the time he flat calls. I guess another reason you don't like it is because it bears semblance to a 'raise for info' kind of mindset, but I think it's wrong to say that every time you raise for value you want the other guy to come over the top.

[Syous 0]

I understand where you're coming from, but I think this line of logic is generaly a tad naive, just because we chose to raise for value does not mean we WANT him to 3-bet us, when you say that you seem to be ignore the time he flat calls. I guess another reason you don't like it is because it bears semblance to a 'raise for info' kind of mindset, but I think it's wrong to say that every time you raise for value you want the other guy to come over the top.

this is very true, however I would think on a board like this where only 1 hand beats you, wouldn't you want to be 3bet here w/this strong of a hand? or are middle sets not that strong in plo...

[Sheiky 0]

this is very true, however I would think on a board like this where only 1 hand beats you, wouldn't you want to be 3bet here w/this strong of a hand? or are middle sets not that strong in plo...

I'm also a PLO donkey, but you definitely want to be check/raising this flop I think

[meservery 0]

this is very true, however I would think on a board like this where only 1 hand beats you, wouldn't you want to be 3bet here w/this strong of a hand? or are middle sets not that strong in plo...

I dont know I think that one hand you speak of may be in his range way more than any other hand. Bottom set doesnt make sense, since villian raised the preflop limp. And most villians dont go crazy with an over pair after being check raised pot on this kind of flop. The flop isnt 2 suited so it doesnt look like there is a huge draw out there. Saying all that, I can only remember once folding middle set....

[Shark527 0]

this is very true, however I would think on a board like this where only 1 hand beats you, wouldn't you want to be 3bet here w/this strong of a hand? or are middle sets not that strong in plo...

Blind vs. blind, yes definitely play for the all in on the flop if you can get it. Would this play be made with Q's up in a blind vs. blind situation also?