RabidTortuga 0 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $1/$29 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with J A 3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: 3 K 5 (6SB, 3 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls.Turn: 4 (4BB, 2 players)BB checks, Hero betsAny reason not to bet this turn every time? Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Any reason not to bet this turn every time?what do you think hes calling with on that flop?is your turn bet for value or a semi bluff? Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 what do you think hes calling with on that flop?is your turn bet for value or a semi bluff?When I bet the flop it's a standard c-bet to try and take down the pot. When the turn gives me 15 cards that improve my hand on the river and BB checks, he doesn't have to fold very often at all to make betting profitable vs. checking behind and missing my draw 2/3 of the time. So, I supose it's a semibluff, but there's also some value there. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 When I bet the flop it's a standard c-bet to try and take down the pot. When the turn gives me 15 cards that improve my hand on the river and BB checks, he doesn't have to fold very often at all to make betting profitable vs. checking behind and missing my draw 2/3 of the time. So, I supose it's a semibluff, but there's also some value there.You think he's folding a hand that beats you? Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 You think he's folding a hand that beats you?this was kind of the point of my questions. i don't. i think if the turn was a queen maybe. i also question how often your hand is ahead here since the flush card came. i don't think he check/called that flop with a9.one thing i've noticed about lhe since ive been dabbling in it again. the biggest weakness most players seem to have is that they don't know how to fold any pair HU ever. you can't pound away on turn bets with overs which is what i used to do very successfully a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 You think he's folding a hand that beats you?Is he folding 66, 77, 88, 99 when I bet the turn? What about A5, A3, or any number of random hands he defended his BB with that hit a pair on the flop? Obviously I don't expect him to fold a K, but his range is pretty wide here given that he's defending the BB, and he had decents odds to take the flop off with any number of marginal hands.If he check-raises, I have a problem, but I'm getting 7:1 to try and make a hand on the river. If my outs are good half the time, I have 6-7 outs to a win. Maybe someone can show me how to calculate the equity for my possible decisions on multiple streets. Taken on it's own merits, if he folds 1 in 5 times, I break even, plus I have a 6-7 out draw if I get raised (15 cards help me, and I win around hald the time). If I check behind, he ought to be betting the river 100% of the time, and I'll have to fold 2/3's of the time, some small portion of which I'll be folding the best hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Is he folding 66, 77, 88, 99 when I bet the turn? What about A5, A3, or any number of random hands he defended his BB with that hit a pair on the flop? Obviously I don't expect him to fold a K, but his range is pretty wide here given that he's defending the BB, and he had decents odds to take the flop off with any number of marginal hands.If he check-raises, I have a problem, but I'm getting 7:1 to try and make a hand on the river. If my outs are good half the time, I have 6-7 outs to a win. Maybe someone can show me how to calculate the equity for my possible decisions on multiple streets. Taken on it's own merits, if he folds 1 in 5 times, I break even, plus I have a 6-7 out draw if I get raised (15 cards help me, and I win around hald the time). If I check behind, he ought to be betting the river 100% of the time, and I'll have to fold 2/3's of the time, some small portion of which I'll be folding the best hand.This is what I'm trying to say though.He won't have a hand that beats us, AND will fold 1/5 times.When he does fold, it's because we had the best hand and that's not necessarily the best result for us, given that we have so much equity, and generally, he's drawing so slim.Now, the other side of that coin is will he call with worse hands enough? He should peel with any spade and we can get value from that.Most of the time, I do bet here, with the intention of taking a free showdown, or continnuing to bet if I improve, of course. I think it would be a lot different if the turn was a non-spade, simply because he'd have basically 0 hands he can peel the turn with that we beat. Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Result: BB folds turn. Link to post Share on other sites
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