They Shoot Horses Don't They.

[Randy Reed 0]

Other topics have stalled so let's talk Euthanasia. Why are we the only animals that we don't think it's right to euthanize?

[speedz99 145]

Especially since we're the only ones that can actually request it.Let's be more specific though...are we talking about assisted suicide? Not things like pulling the plug on vegetables?

[Randy Reed 0]

Especially since we're the only ones that can actually request it.Let's be more specific though...are we talking about assisted suicide? Not things like pulling the plug on vegetables?

I'm thinking assisted suicide, Kevorkian style. I think we should let doctors do it if the person is terminal and in severe pain. Or at least I don't have a problem with it. I grew up outdoors hunting and fishing and been around farms. It's considered the right thing to do to an animal. I probably wouldn't have a problem euthanizing Brittany Spears either. I kid, i kid.

[SBriand 4]

I see Dr. K all the time. Saw him again last Thursday night at the Coney Island. Sits in the same seat everytime. He is a very nice guy and always pleasant. The city wasn't the same while he was in prison. Now he is running for Congress in our district but sadly he is running against the candidate my wife is working for. Plus, I don't think he would be a good congressman.That's all I got I guess. I never had an issue with what he was doing when he was doing it. It's not like these people were victims, they were going through horrible things and needed a way out and he was there. I understand the legality behind not wanting to allow it but I guess I don't get the personal reasons for not wanting it. If I am in pain and will live the rest of my life in pain then I would like that option if I can't do it myself. I would never ask a family member do it.

[Randy Reed 0]

I see Dr. K all the time. Saw him again last Thursday night at the Coney Island. Sits in the same seat everytime. He is a very nice guy and always pleasant. The city wasn't the same while he was in prison. Now he is running for Congress in our district but sadly he is running against the candidate my wife is working for. Plus, I don't think he would be a good congressman.That's all I got I guess. I never had an issue with what he was doing when he was doing it. It's not like these people were victims, they were going through horrible things and needed a way out and he was there. I understand the legality behind not wanting to allow it but I guess I don't get the personal reasons for not wanting it. If I am in pain and will live the rest of my life in pain then I would like that option if I can't do it myself. I would never ask a family member do it.

That would be awkward sitting on the bench next to him and striking up conversation. Hey Doc, whatcha been err uhh up to lately? Or how's business?

[Sal Paradise 57]

bunch of god damn sinners in here. if god wants you to be in cripplingly severe pain, he's got a damn good reason for it. probably impure thoughts.

[brvheart 1,753]

bunch of god damn sinners in here. if god wants you to be in cripplingly severe pain, he's got a damn good reason for it. probably impure thoughts.

This is a good topic. I would be against it in a general sense, but I don't know that there is a specific Bible verse against it. I think that it's possible that God may be ok with it in general. Certainly he knows exactly how much pain you are going through. But where the Bible is silent, I should not proclaim to know something that may not be true. The Bible does say that he won't allow you to be tempted to sin beyond what you can handle. But then we would have to ask, "Is suicide always a sin?" (according to the Bible, not the Catholic church), and if it's not, is it then an acceptable way to handle the pain you are going through. Instead of becoming mad at God, that could actually be a solution to the problem. I would tend to believe that this is not true, I would lean toward thinking that God would provide another way out, especially if you asked him for one.

[speedz99 145]

I would tend to believe that this is not true, I would lean toward thinking that God would provide another way out, especially if you asked him for one.

Come on, man, you know this isn't true. Many (if not most) prayers aren't answered.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

I thought Dr. K was in prison.I must have thought wrong.I'm all for assisted suicide. Also for the death penalty. I'm sure there's a few innocent people in prison... I'm willing to write them off as casualties of war. Kill every single person in prison that is there for a violent crime. Do it now. Do it cheap.Leave the horses alone.

[SBriand 4]

I thought Dr. K was in prison.I must have thought wrong.

He got out recently. I see him almost daily.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

He got out recently. I see him almost daily.

Very cool... I like his thinking. Is he still secretly assisting people?I guess if he were really secret ... you wouldnt know.But anyhoooo... I hope he is

[brvheart 1,753]

Come on, man, you know this isn't true. Many (if not most) prayers aren't answered how we want them to be.

fyp. No is an answer.

[Balloon guy 158]

Do we really want the government in the business of sanctioning the value of a person's life.What about allowing a person to die if they are just depressed, severely?Hipocratic oath: I will do no harm; guess we can cut that out.We hold life to sacred in America to make this public policy.What about pressures to get ahold of your heart because a rich guy needs it in the next room over. You telling me doctors are trustworthy enough not to be tempted to 'help you depart' when they find your insurance won't cover the sugery you need to live?It's not perfect, but I'd rather not open that Pandora's box.Biblically I am like braveheart...not locked on any answer individually

[Loismustdie 0]

I am torn on this one on a personal level but this is pretty black and white biblically. Don't kill. Now, if you killed yourself... you killed. What if that last day of suffering was the last step you needed to prepare your heart and soul for heaven? What if don't kill actually means don't kill? That could be an issue at judgement.

[Sal Paradise 57]

I am torn on this one on a personal level but this is pretty black and white biblically. Don't kill. Now, if you killed yourself... you killed. What if that last day of suffering was the last step you needed to prepare your heart and soul for heaven? What if don't kill actually means don't kill? That could be an issue at judgement.

I had a professor in college who was pretty well versed on biblical history (I had him for some other kind of history) and he made the assertion that the actual translation of the commandment "thou shall not kill" as we know it today is actually "thou shall not murder", which has different implications, i.e. justifiable killings are ok. this includes self defense, fighting in wars, and other such "ok" killings. seems to me that suicides, in the most dire of circumstances, could fall under this category. I don't know how I personally feel about it because even though BG up there says it in a wacky fundamentalist sort of way, he has a good point that it does open up a lot of doors that could be dangerous. I don't know though, never really thought about it in depth.also, shouldn't it actually be "thou shall not kill... you know, unless I tell you to"?

[rjkdb8 1]

I thought Dr. K was in prison.I must have thought wrong.I'm all for assisted suicide. Also for the death penalty. I'm sure there's a few innocent people in prison... I'm willing to write them off as casualties of war. Kill every single person in prison that is there for a violent crime. Do it now. Do it cheap.Leave the horses alone.

This sort of reminds me of a bit that Bill Maher does occasionally where he says something along the lines of: Im for the death penalty. im for assisted suicide. Im pro choice. Basically, im for anything that gets the freeway moving faster in the mornings.

[CaneBrain 95]

Do we really want the government in the business of sanctioning the value of a person's life.What about allowing a person to die if they are just depressed, severely?Hipocratic oath: I will do no harm; guess we can cut that out.We hold life to sacred in America to make this public policy.What about pressures to get ahold of your heart because a rich guy needs it in the next room over. You telling me doctors are trustworthy enough not to be tempted to 'help you depart' when they find your insurance won't cover the sugery you need to live?It's not perfect, but I'd rather not open that Pandora's box.Biblically I am like braveheart...not locked on any answer individually

I assume you are against the death penalty then?

[Balloon guy 158]

I assume you are against the death penalty then?

1stI stated many years ago that I reserve the right to contrict myself at any time regarding any subject!2ndI see a clear difference between a state enforcing laws for protecting society and moral decisions regarding having power of life and death over all civilians.

[Balloon guy 158]

I had a professor in college who was pretty well versed on biblical history (I had him for some other kind of history) and he made the assertion that the actual translation of the commandment "thou shall not kill" as we know it today is actually "thou shall not murder", which has different implications, i.e. justifiable killings are ok. this includes self defense, fighting in wars, and other such "ok" killings. seems to me that suicides, in the most dire of circumstances, could fall under this category. I don't know how I personally feel about it because even though BG up there says it in a wacky CONSERVATIVE sort of way, he has a good point that it does open up a lot of doors that could be dangerous. I don't know though, never really thought about it in depth.also, shouldn't it actually be "thou shall not kill... you know, unless I tell you to"?

fypGet your labels right noob ShakeZuma wouldn't have made this mistake

[Sal Paradise 57]

fypGet your labels right noob ShakeZuma wouldn't have made this mistake

SONOFA...

[speedz99 145]

Do we really want the government in the business of sanctioning the value of a person's life.What about allowing a person to die if they are just depressed, severely?

I agree with this. It's a tricky subject.

Hipocratic oath: I will do no harm; guess we can cut that out.

Which is doing more harm: Keeping a person barely alive against his will in constant excruciating pain or allowing them to end his life peacefully on his own terms?

[Loismustdie 0]

I agree with this. It's a tricky subject.Which is doing more harm: Keeping a person barely alive against his will in constant excruciating pain or allowing them to end his life peacefully on his own terms?

Here is the thing, and this is from a purely christian standpoint. My life is not supposed to be on my terms. If I ain't dead yet, I am not supposed to be. My life still has a reason, whatever it is. I have attended a deathbed ceremony- I say that because I don't know what else to call it. We sat there and watched this lady we knew for years, pass on. She had been riddled with cancer for years. We sang songs, took turns talking to her, stayed with her as she passed on. I learned alot those days. Probably more than if I had just volunteered to pull a plug. I know for me, that experience was invaluable in it's own way. That's the thing- what is Gods plan? Oftentimes, we don't know. We just have to go with it. Painful, joyful, dark, come what may. I don't see anything in the New Testament that would point to anything else. That being said, no possible way I could hold everyone to this standard, how you want to go out is up to you.

[speedz99 145]

Here is the thing, and this is from a purely christian standpoint. My life is not supposed to be on my terms. If I ain't dead yet, I am not supposed to be. My life still has a reason, whatever it is. I have attended a deathbed ceremony- I say that because I don't know what else to call it. We sat there and watched this lady we knew for years, pass on. She had been riddled with cancer for years. We sang songs, took turns talking to her, stayed with her as she passed on. I learned alot those days. Probably more than if I had just volunteered to pull a plug. I know for me, that experience was invaluable in it's own way. That's the thing- what is Gods plan? Oftentimes, we don't know. We just have to go with it. Painful, joyful, dark, come what may. I don't see anything in the New Testament that would point to anything else. That being said, no possible way I could hold everyone to this standard, how you want to go out is up to you.

That's all totally fair, and I can respect anyone who is able to stick to that thinking while in such blinding pain that all they want to do is die. On another note, all know the old story:

Once there was a devout religoius man. He went to temple, prayed, and believed in God to his very soul. In his heart he knew God would always take care of him and his family.One beautiful Sunday it began to rain and soon the rain turned into a flood. The man stood on his front porch and prayed to God to deliver him and his family from the rising waters. As he prayed some men in a boat stopped and offered to take them to safety. The man refused and said, "God will provide for us."Soon the water was up to the second floor and the man and his family prayed and sang to the Lord at the window. As they sung their praises to heaven another boat of rescue workers came up to the house but the man turned them away awaiting God's favor. He knew his faith would prevail.Still the water rose and soon they were forced to perch upon their very roof, and still they did not give up their faith. Their voices were raised to heaven and they felt the light of their faith radiating from within. As the man waved away worldly men in their rescue helicopter he felt sure that God's intervention was at hand.Now the man stood in God's presence, the memory of his crumbling home and drowning family fresh in his mind. He cursed God and demanded to know why he had been forsaken. And God said, "I sent two boats and a helicopter.".

Replace the flood with the ending stages of a painful degenerative disease, replace "God will provide" with "God will end my pain", and replace the helicopter with a doctor who is willing to set up a morphine drip. It seems different, but who knows what the g-man would think.

[SBriand 4]

This is where I get frustrated to the point where I don't think there is any point in discussing this. Frustrated is probably the wrong word but I will stick with it right now. Devout Christians will say no and everyone else pretty much says yes. No one is going to sway the other.Reading Lois' post about how God makes the choice and if you are alive, pain or not, you have a purpose, well I get where he is coming from but for me, I don't believe that so assisted suicide would be a option for me if it ever came down to it. The issue then turns into who gets to tell who what to do in life. For me, if someone is in pain and the pain cannot be treated and they are terminal, I would not feel I have the right to tell that person what to do. If they believe in what Lois said and decided not to do it, then fine, their personal life choice based on their own beliefs and morals. But if they didn't believe what Lois said then I have no issue with them doing what they feel is necessary. In my opinion it is their life. But I maybe making a poor assumption with this but I suspect BG and lois might disagree with me and say that it is not their life but Gods life and he calls the shots. I just can't agree with that. This post sucks.

[CaneBrain 95]

1stI stated many years ago that I reserve the right to contrict myself at any time regarding any subject!2ndI see a clear difference between a state enforcing laws for protecting society and moral decisions regarding having power of life and death over all civilians.

1st = funny stuff2nd = cop-out