"i Can't Drive..."

[NoBBiR 0]

Hero just changed tables, about the third hand at the table now, has $98.Villain is directly to hero's right, has about $325. Just fired half pot into two guys on the river of a checked down pot in position on a K Q 7 8 Q board. Very much seemed like he was just trying to pick up the pot on the river.Villain is UTG and raises to $8.Hero calls UTG+1 calls with 5 5 .Folds around.Pot: $19.Flop: 9 6 3 :heart:Villain checks, Hero checks.Pot: $19.Turn: 9 6 3 , 2 :heart:Villain checks, Hero bets $9, Villain checks cards and calls.Pot: $37River: 9 6 3 , 2 , K :spade:Villain stares at the board and fires $15. Stares at me for a bit while I tank and smiles at me.Hero?

[gobears 0]

Strong is usually weak so with those pot odds and the hand you mentioned before, I make the crying call.

[pokerinc 0]

bet teh floop, 13$bet more on the turn repping the k of hearts I guess on the river. I'd call for information purposes, but think you're good 50% here which is all you need.

[CobaltBlue 662]

You have a creative title...you get a response...I prefer a bet of ~$12 on the turn, but I suppose that's nit-picky. I think we're actually beat a good bit here. There are villains that donkbet rivers with bluffs, but I think they're the exception. If I'm calling, it's with the expectation that I'm often beat and that I'm interested mostly in information.

[NoBBiR 0]

You have a creative title...you get a response...I prefer a bet of ~$12 on the turn, but I suppose that's nit-picky. I think we're actually beat a good bit here. There are villains that donkbet rivers with bluffs, but I think they're the exception. If I'm calling, it's with the expectation that I'm often beat and that I'm interested mostly in information.

I thought of you when I came up with it :)Are we just basically calling for information or do you think we're good here often enough to backup our equity? I mean, I feel like if we are just calling for info at the 1/2 100max game that folding is probably for the best IMO given that most of the people are tell boxes anyway.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Are we just basically calling for information or do you think we're good here often enough to backup our equity? I mean, I feel like if we are just calling for info at the 1/2 100max game that folding is probably for the best IMO given that most of the people are tell boxes anyway.

We only have to be good 21% of the time to make the call breakeven, so there may be enough equity given the tells he seems to be exhibiting. Let's say he's only bluffing 15% of the time...the info we gather may make up for the remainder. We can also use the call to manipulate our image.

[TravisG 0]

looks at cards on turn and calls? stares at the board, fires $15 and smiles at you?about 4:1?lol?how is this not a snapcall.

[34off 0]

OMFG that sig is funny..I literally laughed out loud!

[Moneyball16 0]

With 50bb stack fold preflop. I probably make a crying call on the river.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Villain checks, Hero bets $9, Villain checks cards and calls.

Cobalt's answer is good. If this is the right kind of villain, I would immediately think it's a straight and he was checking to see if one of his cards was a heart. Even if it's not a straight, you're beat like 90% of the time here.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

We only have to be good 21% of the time to make the call breakeven, so there may be enough equity given the tells he seems to be exhibiting. Let's say he's only bluffing 15% of the time...the info we gather may make up for the remainder. We can also use the call to manipulate our image.

Cobalt's answer is good. If this is the right kind of villain, I would immediately think it's a straight and he was checking to see if one of his cards was a heart. Even if it's not a straight, you're beat like 90% of the time here.

Really? I'm inclined to bluff raise this... but odds dictate a call. He checked his cards, so I almost guarantee this is a) not a flush and b ) he has one heart. The only card he could have connected on is the King imo...

Villain checks, Hero bets $9, Villain checks cards and calls. Stares at me for a bit while I tank and smiles at me.

I mean, these are three huge tells. Card check is obvious, staring = weak, and a smile, unless his eyes were also smiling, is weak. The bet is weak...

[CobaltBlue 662]

Cobalt's answer is good. If this is the right kind of villain, I would immediately think it's a straight and he was checking to see if one of his cards was a heart. Even if it's not a straight, you're beat like 90% of the time here.

Gonna be tough for him to have exactly 54 from UTG here, but yeah...the point is...he's very easily got a better hand than a pair of 5s.

Really? I'm inclined to bluff raise this... but odds dictate a call.

It's definitely a more advanced move...the bluff-raise with showdown value. The problem is that you need to know that your opponents are the right level of sophistication that they could throw away a king. If they're too bad, they may think top pair is the nuts. If they're too good, they may figure out your line and call. I know that in LHE I've value-bet/called check-raises with ace-high on the river.The more I think about it...If this player is average, he has one heart...probably the king. If this player is tricky, he actually has a flush.

[NoBBiR 0]

Gonna be tough for him to have exactly 54 from UTG here, but yeah...the point is...he's very easily got a better hand than a pair of 5s.It's definitely a more advanced move...the bluff-raise with showdown value. The problem is that you need to know that your opponents are the right level of sophistication that they could throw away a king. If they're too bad, they may think top pair is the nuts. If they're too good, they may figure out your line and call. I know that in LHE I've value-bet/called check-raises with ace-high on the river.The more I think about it...If this player is average, he has one heart...probably the king. If this player is tricky, he actually has a flush.

So does that also mean the more you think about it that calling is bad?

[mtdesmoines 3]

Gonna be tough for him to have exactly 54 from UTG here, but yeah...the point is...he's very easily got a better hand than a pair of 5s. It's definitely a more advanced move...the bluff-raise with showdown value. The problem is that you need to know that your opponents are the right level of sophistication that they could throw away a king. If they're too bad, they may think top pair is the nuts. If they're too good, they may figure out your line and call. I know that in LHE I've value-bet/called check-raises with ace-high on the river. The more I think about it... If this player is average, he has one heart...probably the king. If this player is tricky, he actually has a flush.

This is live poker with a smiling villain. I think he has a made hand and he's not folding.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

This is live poker with a smiling villain. I think he has a made hand and he's not folding.

Mouth smile != good hand. eyes eyes eyes eyes

[CobaltBlue 662]

So does that also mean the more you think about it that calling is bad?

I mean, I've never felt good about the call. Do I feel that we might be good 20% of the time? Maybe. I do think we're good say 10-15% of the time and that info might make up for any disparity. Therefore, meta's important...if you or the villain are leaving soon, it's actually probably not worth calling.

[trystero 0]

Looks like AxKh or some combination like that. Despite the "strong is weak" line of thinking, he seems to be growing more comfortable as hero tanks, allowing him to believe he's got the best hand. Decision's marginal, either way. What I do depends on what I've been doing at the table; if I've been folding to a lot of bets then I'll call. Otherwise, vice versa. Why's that matter? Generally it's better to show you can't be run over by not laying down to such weak bets. But if I'm calling a lot of rivers already then he'd have no reason (if he's thinking at all) to consider I'll fold.

[Snamuh 0]

Cobalt's answer is good. If this is the right kind of villain, I would immediately think it's a straight and he was checking to see if one of his cards was a heart. Even if it's not a straight, you're beat like 90% of the time here.

Wait what? You always have this monsters under the bed attitude. I would think far more often that villain has something like the Qh, Kh, or Ah. Then villain sees the K and decides its scary and he can bluff it. He'll have something like XxKh occasionally and will have gotten there, but your odds make it a call. He has air (missed flush draw) here a lot of the time.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Results?

[mln_falcon 0]

My first response was snap call given all the tells.Reading responses, I think cobalt is more correct, a call probably isn't correct, but the info is probably worth it.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Wait what? You always have this monsters under the bed attitude. I would think far more often that villain has something like the Qh, Kh, or Ah. Then villain sees the K and decides its scary and he can bluff it. He'll have something like XxKh occasionally and will have gotten there, but your odds make it a call. He has air (missed flush draw) here a lot of the time.

Yeah I kinda do online. I would figure this out in 3 seconds live.

[NoBBiR 0]

Results?

I snap called when he smiled at me figuring strong is weak for the majority of livetards at Turningstone.He said "nice call" and looked at me (and a friend of mine I was with) like I was retarded when I showed 55, and mucked. He later told me he had the Ace of hearts, so I assume it was AhQx or something like that. Unfortunately we never played another decent sized pot so I couldn't take advantage of him thinking I was a POW.

[Snamuh 0]

I snap called when he smiled at me figuring strong is weak for the majority of livetards at Turningstone.He said "nice call" and looked at me (and a friend of mine I was with) like I was retarded when I showed 55, and mucked. He later told me he had the Ace of hearts, so I assume it was AhQx or something like that. Unfortunately we never played another decent sized pot so I couldn't take advantage of him thinking I was a POW.

That's exactly what it looks like when someone takes this line.

[Sheiky 0]

I think betting the flop is better than checking and betting the turn.Thoughts?

[copernicus 0]

I think betting the flop is better than checking and betting the turn.Thoughts?

Dont overpairs c/r a lot here? Letting him see one card with overcards doesnt cost much, and after he's checked twice betting the turn has some value. Im not sure it does on the flop.