Is There A God?

[Randy Reed 0]

High fiveWe should totally hire people to argue for us and just go fishing at some really exclusive fishing place

FYP I am in.

As long as there's beer i'm in. On the bright side I have no guilt about sinning.

[Balloon guy 158]

FYP I am in.

I like how you think

[Balloon guy 158]

As long as there's beer i'm in. On the bright side I have no guilt about sinning.

I'm sure we'll be too busy judging the poor to ever get around to any judgements of each other.

[Randy Reed 0]

As long as there's beer i'm in. On the bright side I have no guilt about sinning.

On second thought, I would have guilt about sinning. I was raised Catholic.

[CaneBrain 95]

I like how you think

Along the lines of Steven Colbert's "Platinum" segments.....I think we should create a few rich people threads like "discuss the best restaurants you have ever visited" and "list the golf courses you have played on that made Golf Digest's Top 100 list" or "the official thread on yachting and nantucket red shorts". Then we can really rub it in the faces of the poor and revel in our snobbery. I wish I could find a Scrooge McDuck swimming in his moneybin graphic. It would really tie this post together.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

I wish I could find a Scrooge McDuck swimming in his moneybin graphic. It would really tie this post together.

Wow, what an exhausting search that was. It took almost four seconds.

[CaneBrain 95]

Wow, what an exhausting search that was. It took almost four seconds.

I'm lazy. You caught me!!actually, I am at work and for some reason I have trouble uploading graphics at work. Thanks for the picture and the sarcasm.

[crowTrobot 2]

Also, lol at the fact that a thread can be a total joke and completely void of any intentions or suggestions at actual discussion yet still within a page or two turn into the same religious bickering of every other thread. I mean, we only got one lousy lol cat from BalloonGuy. Jeez.

the rush lyrics were pretty cool though

[SBriand 4]

[El Guapo 8]

HahahahaI have an idiot friend who is obsessed with cereal, he eats a box every day or two, for lent (he is not catholic BTW) he gave up cereal.Big sacrifice there!

[checkymcfold 0]

The one day to God is a million to us theory is one that some cling too to align both evolution and creation.Pesonally I don't buy it because it requires that the word for day be changed to fit the need, not the context when it is used in the Old Testmanet. OBV the same word for day when talking about a guy going to the next village wasn't 1 billion years. etc.

so i'm sure you guys know that what's literally translated from the hebrew as "ten thousand years" is really just a colloquialism for "a fucking long time ago," right?

[Randy Reed 0]

Yeah, a fucking long time ago.http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200807...rtedlifeonearth

[speedz99 145]

Yeah, a fucking long time ago.http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200807...rtedlifeonearth

Cool theory. I hate the panspermia theory because it just moves the question back to "well then how did life begin elsewhere?"

[antistuff 0]

I cannot grasp that they can do all these terrible things (adultry, cheating, swindling, :insert dishonest item:)

those are terrible things???????you're kidding, right?

[antistuff 0]

Natural Selection explains everything perfectly.Use your own moral compass to guide your life.

I don't see how you can say that the watchmaker theory is invalid because of the Who made God question. Couldn't God have been made by something else, and we would still be subject to God as our creator?I think perfectly would be a stretch since you need a beginning and you don't have one. Nor do you have any reason to obey part two of your statement.

i find it funny that most christians agree with me on this point and most atheists don't.

[Randy Reed 0]

Cool theory. I hate the panspermia theory because it just moves the question back to "well then how did life begin elsewhere?"

Dan brown's book (Da Vinci Code guy) Deception Point was centered around a panspermia theory and I can remember thinking the same thing. Though it would be a huge discovery to find a meteor with fossilized genetic material it doesn't really answer the question about how it started there as well. I do think eventually science will figure it out and possible replicate it in some way. At the very least we'll be pretty sure how it happened. Interesting stuff though.

[speedz99 145]

i find it funny that most christians agree with me on this point and most atheists don't.

Wait, what?

I do think eventually science will figure it out and possible replicate it in some way. At the very least we'll be pretty sure how it happened. Interesting stuff though.

I agree that they'll eventually be able to create life from inorganic material, but unfortunately that won't really prove how it happened, just how it could have happened. And then we'll move into trying to create inorganic material from nothing, which seems impossible...since it's, you know, nothing. But that would assume that the Universe is infinite. Where's LLY when you need him?

[antistuff 0]

Wait, what?I agree that they'll eventually be able to create life from inorganic material, but unfortunately that won't really prove how it happened, just how it could have happened. And then we'll move into trying to create inorganic material from nothing, which seems impossible...since it's, you know, nothing. But that would assume that the Universe is infinite. Where's LLY when you need him?

you know what, i misread it. i thought for a second somebody invoked the "without god there is no morality" thing of which i am such a huge fan (you know, moral nihilism and all that). christian's seem to agree with me about that one, while atheists do not. i will impose a self ban on myself from all philosophical type discussion for a week while i go off and try to learn how to read a little more carefully.

[crowTrobot 2]

you know what, i misread it. i thought for a second somebody invoked the "without god there is no morality" thing of which i am such a huge fan (you know, moral nihilism and all that). christian's seem to agree with me about that one, while atheists do not.

what exactly do you mean by morality? if you're defining it as something vague and/or metaphysical such as intrinsic good/evil to things or actions in the universe, then of course there's no reason to think it exists without something driving it (such as god). atheists would agree with you.however if you are very specific with what you mean by morality (for example things/actions that are beneficial or reduce suffering, create happiness for an individual, or for humanity in general) "morality" can obviously be reduced to something that is god-free yet objectively exists.

[speedz99 145]

you know what, i misread it. i thought for a second somebody invoked the "without god there is no morality" thing of which i am such a huge fan (you know, moral nihilism and all that). christian's seem to agree with me about that one, while atheists do not. i will impose a self ban on myself from all philosophical type discussion for a week while i go off and try to learn how to read a little more carefully.

Hey, shit happens. Unban yourself...God wishes it. And by God I mean me.

what exactly do you mean by morality? if you're defining it as something vague and/or metaphysical such as intrinsic good/evil to things or actions in the universe, then of course there's no reason to think it exists without something driving it (such as god). atheists would agree with you.

I disagree with your assertion that nothing vague and/or metaphysical can exist without something driving it. I can "feel" when something is right or wrong...yeah, that may be the effect of an incredibly complex evolutionary history coupled with an even more complex system of electrical impluses and neuron firings and what have you that ultimately result in the abstract "feeling", but..........shit, I lost it. Oh well.

[crowTrobot 2]

I disagree with your assertion that nothing vague and/or metaphysical can exist without something driving it. I can "feel" when something is right or wrong...yeah, that may be the effect of an incredibly complex evolutionary history coupled with an even more complex system of electrical impluses and neuron firings and what have you that ultimately result in the abstract "feeling", but..........shit, I lost it. Oh well.

that's my point lol. what we think is morality/empathy is just evolved socially benefical behavior. that's why we think we "feel" it instinctively. the evidence for this is that it exists elsewhere in the animal kindgom, roughly proportionate to the evolutionary status of different species. bigger animal brains = more evolved social structure and more likelyhood of empathetic behavior.

[speedz99 145]

that's my point lol.

I need to work on my sarcasm.

[crowTrobot 2]

I need to work on my sarcasm.

no i got it, you're a pro.was explaining for antistuff, unless he was also being sarcastic : )

[CBass1724 1]

Evolution FTW!I really don't know what to believe. I have a hard time believing something that I cannot see. I hope there is a god out there but the science kinda refutes how life got started. I'd like to believe both I guess. I think religion is just a way for humans to cope with death. We "need" to feel more secure about what happens when we die. Nobody knows or will ever know what happens after death because you can't die for a couple years and then come back to let everyone knows what happens in the afterlife.That is why they need to fucking hurry up and bring Ted Williams back to life so he can let us know what we need to prepare for.

[speedz99 145]

Last night I was hanging out with a Belgian girl who's in the country for a few months for an internship. We were talking about her country, and it came up that a large percentage of the population doesn't believe in god. Two things struck me as very interesting:1. She was obviously nervous to tell me that she herself doesn't believe in god. I asked her why this was the case, and she said that it's expected that many Americans will be very intolerant towards anyone that is not christian. Nice, eh? Whether it's true or not, I'm embarrassed that this is what people think of us. Maybe things like our president insinuating that becoming a christian nation would help china fix all its problems perpetuates this kind of view. But I digress...2. She was never taught that there is not a god...she just wasn't taught anything about it (at least not at a young age). This kind of upbringing has led her to a place where it's not even an issue in her life. Plus she's hot. It was good stuff.