vbnautilus 48 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.html Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Our army has a relatively high percentage of uneducated christian douchebags?I, for one, don't believe it. Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Our army has a relatively high percentage of uneducated christian douchebags?I, for one, don't believe it.YEAHWELL IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!one!!!1!! Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 YEAHWELL IF IT WEREN'T FOR THEM YOU WOULD BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!one!!!1!!As a fellow pretty-much-non-jewish-jew you might appreciate the amount of amusement that I'm currently getting due to the fact that my cousin is dating a man named Adolph. It's almost too funny to handle when my grandmother and mother talk about how much it upsets them (above and beyond the problem of him being a gentile). Link to post Share on other sites
AmScray 355 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Oh g-d... LMAO!I guess that's the ultimate rebellion for a Jewish girl. Probably the equivalent of shishka's who copulate with Negroes and bring home a halfie grandson to dear old dad... The perfect trifeca would be if he were poor to boot. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Oh g-d... LMAO!I guess that's the ultimate rebellion for a Jewish girl.I like how you assume that speedz's cousin is a girl Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I like how you assume that speedz's cousin is a girl I know, right.. it's not like the odds are about 20-1 in scram's favor of it being a girl or anything, how crazy he is to assume. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I know, right.. it's not like the odds are about 20-1 in scram's favor of it being a girl or anything, how crazy he is to assume.Sheesh - it was a joke Playing on the irony of a jewish grandmother/mother being so upset over the name of the boyfriend that they completely overlook their old world views on fudge-packersSpeedz's post... "As a fellow pretty-much-non-jewish-jew you might appreciate the amount of amusement that I'm currently getting due to the fact that my cousin is dating a man named Adolph. It's almost too funny to handle when my grandmother and mother talk about how much it upsets them (above and beyond the problem of him being a gentile)."...becomes even more amusing when you assume his cousin is a guy.Oh well, swing and a miss I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 ...becomes even more amusing when you assume his cousin is a guy.Oh well, swing and a miss I guess.yes, yes, i got what you were trying to do, thus the "1-20" It's just, when you say " I like how he assumes it's a girl", the emphasis there is on the assumption itself rather than the potential gayness of his cousin, as if you're trying to make some point about how we in a society, given an ambiguous, non-gender specific sentence, will assume hetrosexual gender identities. Which is why I made my post, because that sort of assumption is 100 percent understandable. Link to post Share on other sites
Jackie Childs 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.htmlWho told you to put the crucifix on?What a pussy. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/08/atheist.soldier/index.htmlHow do you refuse to pray at Thanksgiving dinner?Did they ask everyone to stand and bow? or what? Did he refuse to stand? Was he asked to say Grace and couldn't in good conscience say: Thanks for the food, amen"? Is he going to lose out his place in oblivion if he doesn't stand true to atheism 100% of the time?How many people stand up, think about something else and sit down? Sounds like he's a whiner who wants his 15 minutes of fame and is shocked that the world doesn't suffer whiners.Except at CNN. There they promote them to head editor Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 How do you refuse to pray at Thanksgiving dinner?Did they ask everyone to stand and bow? or what? Did he refuse to stand? Was he asked to say Grace and couldn't in good conscience say: Thanks for the food, amen"?just like you to pick out the one example from the article and ignore what's implied about the overall picture. obviously it's not just about the one incident. presumably units pray together a lot.Is he going to lose out his place in oblivion if he doesn't stand true to atheism 100% of the time?to some people the self-esteem and integrity they have in this life is just as important as heaven is to you. how would you feel if you had to work with a bunch of dems who required you to recite liberal mantras every day or else be an outcast?Sounds like he's a whiner who wants his 15 minutes of fame and is shocked that the world doesn't suffer whiners.apparently you missed the part where it said his life was threatened. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 just like you to pick out the one example from the article and ignore what's implied about the overall picture. obviously it's not just about the one incident. presumably units pray together a lot.You mean like the time another soldier, after escaping death with him, leans over and asks if he believes in Jesus now? Yea, I was really avoiding that because it was so clear that this is the army's posisiton on IEDs.to some people the self-esteem and integrity they have in this life is just as important as heaven is to you. how would you feel if you had to work with a bunch of dems who required you to recite liberal mantras every day or else be an outcast?I didn't go to college partly to avoid this.apparently you missed the part where it said his life was threatened.Yea, we all believe that. So some whiner has to make every single incident that happens all about his personal belief that there is no God and then whines when people don't change everything in order to fit his new beliefs and we are suppose to fear that the military has a secret 'code' that prevents getting promotions?Next thing you'll know he'll spend all his time on some random internet site, spouting his all encompassing opinion about there being no God 24/7. Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Maybe he felt threatened or maybe he did not.When my Mother in Law wants to say grace at Xmas dinner, I bow my head in respect for her beliefs. When I was in High School and our football team huddled to say a prayer, I huddled with them. It is about comradery in the military, if 90+% of the people in the military are Christian or lean toward that religion and they want to say a prayer before they go into battle, and all of a sudden someone is standing off to the side, or throwing a fit for something that is harmless regardless of his belief system, then they are not going to trust him. Simple as that. So I am sure if he was overly vocal in these scenarios and made a scene, I can see where he would be harassed and/or even threatened.The military in our lifetime is a voluntary organization. He was not drafted, he chose to enlist, he himself was one of the Christian believers, at any point do you think he stood up then and said please do not pray we may be offending an Atheist, or a Buddhist in our group.If when he is out of the military and he is at a Sporting event and he does not want to stand for the star spangled banner, or recite the pledge of allegiance because of the word God, then so be it. But I am sorry this is not the place to make your anti-religious stand. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 all the article said was that he refused to pray himself and was discriminated against for it. there was nothing mentioned about whining, throwing fits, or making any sort of anti-religious stand. you guys are writing your own assumption-based stories. Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So he believes in killing people? Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 So he believes in killing people?maybe you should ask why any christian would believe in killing people. Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 maybe you should ask why any christian would believe in killing people.I gave up on christianity a long time ago. I just find it funny that someone can go to the army and not expect to have to accept some things to survive. He's in Iraq not a call centre Link to post Share on other sites
IamStewie 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I gave up on christianity a long time ago. I just find it funny that someone can go to the army and not expect to have to accept some things to survive. He's in Iraq not a call centre :D LOL.... typical atheist. They should all go to HELL !Wait... is that fair? Well.. they should all go to whatever the bad atheist place is! Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 8 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 all the article said was that he refused to pray himself and was discriminated against for it. there was nothing mentioned about whining, throwing fits, or making any sort of anti-religious stand. you guys are writing your own assumption-based stories.It is this simple, if the soldiers all take a knee and one says a prayer and he does not take a knee, regardless of how he feels about that prayer, it is going to piss everyone off and show a lack of comradery. Simple as that. I am not saying it is right for the other soldiers to attack him or threaten him, but it is what it is, and anyone in that situation is going to have to conform. This is much different than if you were at a board meeting and every week your CEO wanted everyone to hold hands around the table a listen to a prayer. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 It is this simple, if the soldiers all take a knee and one says a prayer and he does not take a knee, regardless of how he feels about that prayer, it is going to piss everyone off and show a lack of comradery. Simple as that. I am not saying it is right for the other soldiers to attack him or threaten him, but it is what it is, and anyone in that situation is going to have to conform.the point is they shouldn't have to conform because it's unconstitutional. if the military is operating in an unconstitutional manner it needs to be fixed. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 It is this simple, if the soldiers all take a knee and one says a prayer and he does not take a knee, regardless of how he feels about that prayer, it is going to piss everyone off and show a lack of comradery. Simple as that. I am not saying it is right for the other soldiers to attack him or threaten him, but it is what it is, and anyone in that situation is going to have to conform. This is much different than if you were at a board meeting and every week your CEO wanted everyone to hold hands around the table a listen to a prayer.this post is sad. basically you are excusing discrimination by saying that the victim should know better considering his surroundings.....he was asking for the abuse. I bet you are a huge hit with rape victims. Your honor, I am not saying it is right to rape a girl but she was dressed provacatively in a club and it is what it is. Anyone in that situation is going to have to conform and accept being gangbanged.whether this guy is just a whiner is a fair question. excusing discrimination because of the importance of comraderie is pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I just find it funny that someone can go to the army and not expect to have to accept some things to survive. He's in Iraq not a call centrenobody joins the military expecting that they have to give up their religious freedom. Link to post Share on other sites
SlapStick 0 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 nobody joins the military expecting that they have to give up their religious freedom.But they're ok with taking lives.edited because i don't feel like getting into a long debate with "veterans" Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 But they're ok with taking lives.i don't see the relevance. requiring recruits to kill is not unconstitutional. requiring recruits to actively participate in religious worship is. Link to post Share on other sites
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