So How Are Fatty's Treated In Church

[Balloon guy 158]

I just wanted to make a Church's chicken joke. You have no feel for comedy!

It is very hard to make a Church's chicken joke. Very hard.

[Balloon guy 158]

Ok, well I just sat here in my office, closed my eyes and asked God to explain it to me and I got nothing. I think there has to be more to it then just asking. I suspect I need to go to church and that, I am sorry to say and mean no offense, is not happening. I tried that and church made me angry and I don't think that is the intention God had. But thanks anyway.

We get out of life what we put into it.

[SBriand 4]

We get out of life what we put into it.

I have a question!So my wife was brought up catholic but she never really got into it. Now I have never seen her go to church except for funerals or weddings in the 13 yrs I have known her and there is no bible in our house. Yet she feels guilt that she says stems from her Catholic upbringing. My question is if people who have or have had an relationship with God, do you always feel guilty all the time? I mean we learn in this topic about all the different sins people do everyday, the gluttony, the laziness, etc, so since I openly admit I don't fully buy into "religion" I would think that I don't feel guilty as much as someone who does believe it all. I am not saying that I am right or wrong, hell I could be totally way off base in my beliefs just as well as you all could be in yours, but it seems to me that if I jumped into Religion and soaked it in, I would feel guilty all day long. What a bummer.

[Balloon guy 158]

I have a question!So my wife was brought up catholic but she never really got into it. Now I have never seen her go to church except for funerals or weddings in the 13 yrs I have known her and there is no bible in our house. Yet she feels guilt that she says stems from her Catholic upbringing. My question is if people who have or have had an relationship with God, do you always feel guilty all the time? I mean we learn in this topic about all the different sins people do everyday, the gluttony, the laziness, etc, so since I openly admit I don't fully buy into "religion" I would think that I don't feel guilty as much as someone who does believe it all. I am not saying that I am right or wrong, hell I could be totally way off base in my beliefs just as well as you all could be in yours, but it seems to me that if I jumped into Religion and soaked it in, I would feel guilty all day long. What a bummer.

I'm not a catholic, but it is my understanding that if it wasn't for the Jews, they would have won the Oscar for "best use of guilt in a religion".Reminds me of the story of the Jewish lady who buys her son 2 shirts for his birthday. He goes upstairs and puts one on and comes down to show his mother. She says; "What? you didn't like the other one?"So as a protestant I don't have guilt much as a guiding force in my life. but I can understand..I mean for a Jew you've got 5,000 years of tradition, how can you not feel the burden to follow the law? and the catholics, they used guilt to aquire money and property, it just stuck.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

Not a Macanudo fan, but LaGlorias...yummy.But Nascar is only exciting to me if there is a dropped lug nut. I love watching the body language of people that still think races are won or lost in the pit.

Love me some LaGlorias too. The race is more of just a sidebar... we sit in the suites and eat and smoke usually. Some of these people really take NASCAR too serious. I'll be the first to say I hope there's a massive crash.I don't want anyone to get hurt at all... but a few on fire isn't too much to hope for.

[brvheart 1,751]

I just wanted to make a Church's chicken joke. You have no feel for comedy!

obv

[brvheart 1,751]

I have a question!So my wife was brought up catholic but she never really got into it. Now I have never seen her go to church except for funerals or weddings in the 13 yrs I have known her and there is no bible in our house. Yet she feels guilt that she says stems from her Catholic upbringing. My question is if people who have or have had an relationship with God, do you always feel guilty all the time? I mean we learn in this topic about all the different sins people do everyday, the gluttony, the laziness, etc, so since I openly admit I don't fully buy into "religion" I would think that I don't feel guilty as much as someone who does believe it all. I am not saying that I am right or wrong, hell I could be totally way off base in my beliefs just as well as you all could be in yours, but it seems to me that if I jumped into Religion and soaked it in, I would feel guilty all day long. What a bummer.

This is the real problem with the Catholic church and frankly speaking, Lois' church, that they don't believe that Jesus' blood covers the sins of the followers of Jesus if they ever sin. Only up until the time that they commit that sin. Then from that point forward they are going to hell until that sin is remedied. This is clearly unbiblical, but that doesn't stop the belief that it's true. Catholics believe that confession to a priest is required or they are hell bound. Lois, by his own admission, believes he is hell bound because he sinned. This is the type of thinking that provides guilt. I know that when people see the Bible quoted they usually don't read it and just skim past it, but this is a section of scripture that is clearly speaking about our freedom in Christ and that we shouldn't feel an overbearing guilt just because other believers say we should.I Corinthians 10 13No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. 14Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. 15I speak as to wise men; you judge what I say. 16Is not the cup of blessing which we bless a sharing in the blood of Christ? Is not the bread which we break a sharing in the body of Christ? 17Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread. 18Look at the nation Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers in the altar? 19What do I mean then? That a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? We are not stronger than He, are we? 23All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. 25Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; 26FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS. 27If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience' sake. 28But if anyone says to you, "This is meat sacrificed to idols," do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience' sake; 29I mean not your own conscience, but the other man's; for why is my freedom judged by another's conscience? 30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? 31Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. <<<<<---- key verse. 32Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; 33just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

I have a question!So my wife was brought up catholic but she never really got into it. Now I have never seen her go to church except for funerals or weddings in the 13 yrs I have known her and there is no bible in our house. Yet she feels guilt that she says stems from her Catholic upbringing. My question is if people who have or have had an relationship with God, do you always feel guilty all the time? I mean we learn in this topic about all the different sins people do everyday, the gluttony, the laziness, etc, so since I openly admit I don't fully buy into "religion" I would think that I don't feel guilty as much as someone who does believe it all. I am not saying that I am right or wrong, hell I could be totally way off base in my beliefs just as well as you all could be in yours, but it seems to me that if I jumped into Religion and soaked it in, I would feel guilty all day long. What a bummer.

I don't feel guilty but I think my religion and my relationship with God helps me be a better person than I would be without that. Several times a day I am reminded about it and catch myself wanting to act or react in a certain way but I refrain from it due to my religious beliefs.Example: A jerk speeds to get around you only to then put on his turn signal to turn right. Immediate thoughts are.."You selfish mother fu&*er".. honk and shoot the bird. I know that's not the right thing to do so if I catch myself in time... I just don't do it. IF I do..... do I feel guilty? Not guilty as much as disappointed that I allowed someone's behavior to affect me.That's my new goal... to not allow someone else's negative behavior affect my behavior. (actually came from a suggestion by a couple of FCPers...thanks)

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

That's my new goal... to not allow someone else's negative behavior affect my behavior. (actually came from a suggestion by a couple of FCPers...thanks)

you're very welcome.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

you're very welcome.

Well... I wasn't referring to you but if you did make this suggestion...thanks.

[antistuff 0]

There was a gay pride parade, Orgins (board game convention, which was funny because there were actual protesters for that as well lol)

that does sound funny. please, elaborate.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I somehow got caught in the middle of a gay pride parade this past weekend. I wasn't there for that I was there for a meeting at a hotel near it and I found it incredibly interesting. Not the gay people though, the Christians. Here is my question and I could be totally missing the point and that is fine because that is one of the reasons I am asking... about 75% of the people I saw holding signs or speaking on loud speakers about how homosexuality is a sin and they are all going to hell unless they change were obese. Not fat, obese. Isn't that technically a sin? Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins and most of these people were obviously very good at being gluttonous. So how is it that they feel the need to point out others people's alleged sins when they themselves are allegedly sinners? Do fat people in church get pointed out during certain sermons about sin? I am genuinely curious or is this one of those things where being fat is a sin that is allowed?Again, as stated in the past, I do believe in God but I do not go to church and I have not studied the Bible so I am sure someone will come and show me some passages that explain all this but I don't get how people can comment and condemn other people's actions as being a sin when they themselves are sinners? I mean we got some seriously knowledgeable religious people in this forum (that is why I thought to come here) that play poker. Isn't gambling a sin? Or has the church come to the conclusion that poker is a game of skill and not chance thus it is not considered gambling? How about smoking? I had a girlfriend once who told me that I was going to hell because I was a smoker. She said that my body was God's vessel and I was destroying it for pleasure. If anyone can shed some light on the fatty issue and the other stuff that would be great as I find it interesting.

I have often wondered myself why the church speaks out so forcfully against homosexuality when fornication and adultry are often running rampant through their congregations. You make a good point and it states clearly in the Bible that sinners should not be passing judgement. Scripture states that those who judge others will be judged in the same way. So those who judge others harshly can expect to be judged harshly on judgement day. This should be terrifiying to Christians. I can't remember where it is in the bible, but a passage in the bible has an angel that is too afraid to even make a judgement about satan. The only thing the angel would say about satan is that he too would be judged. On a related issue, I do think the Church, whose whole basis is the sacredness of life, has the right to fight back when groups try to redefine marriage. The family is the basic unit of the Christian Faith, and marriage is sacred. Holy Matrimony is a sacrament of the Church. So I do understand the Church speaking out against "Gay Marriage" but the Church on the other hand should not have anything to say about civil unions where homosexual couples get the benificial tax breaks ect that hetero sexual couples get.

[El Guapo 8]

I have a question!So my wife was brought up catholic but she never really got into it. Now I have never seen her go to church except for funerals or weddings in the 13 yrs I have known her and there is no bible in our house. Yet she feels guilt that she says stems from her Catholic upbringing. My question is if people who have or have had an relationship with God, do you always feel guilty all the time? I mean we learn in this topic about all the different sins people do everyday, the gluttony, the laziness, etc, so since I openly admit I don't fully buy into "religion" I would think that I don't feel guilty as much as someone who does believe it all. I am not saying that I am right or wrong, hell I could be totally way off base in my beliefs just as well as you all could be in yours, but it seems to me that if I jumped into Religion and soaked it in, I would feel guilty all day long. What a bummer.

I was baptized Catholic but never attended their Church, but my Dad did, so did my Wife when she was younger, and although neither of them consider themselves Catholic, especially my wife, that guilt was driven home like 16 penny nail.As BG said, they do it to keep people coming back to them for forgiveness (remember in the Catholic church the only way to God is through a priest) and it keeps them subservient and keep writing check to pay for that guilt they feel.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

So if each and every one of us has sinned then why bother? We are all going to hell right? So are Christians just sucking up in hopes to be let in? I know that comes off harsh and may offend but I am don't really feel like beating around the bush. Like braveheart on here. He seems to be very into this religion thing from all the topics I have read, but I bet he has sinned. If sinning ends your chances to be with God why spend so much time and energy on it?

Yes, according to Christian beliefs we all sin and we are all Hell bound. Luckily for us God sent is son to pay the price for all the sins in the world. We have to admit that we are sinners and confess our sins. God can't be in the presence of sin. We have to be washed before we can be in his company. My chuch believes this involves baptism, acceptance of Jesus as savior, and a rejection of the "ways of the world". Why spend so much time on it? I want to make myself through God's Grace exceptable to enter Heaven, where the streets are paved with gold. I want to reunite with loved ones, family and friends that have passed on before me.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I will be honest and say this really didn't help me understand and actually confused me more. Guess I am stupid. Oh well.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?So Jesus and the cross and dying and all that rigamaroll was to pay for all of my sins. How do I accept it? Just believe it? So does anyone know the answer to whether it was one sin or ten or sins made during a certain week or day covered? Or is that a big mystery in the church? To me it all seems to convenient. Maybe I am missing something but as long as I accept God then I can do whatever I want, maybe. Sure I may have to suffer hatred and damnation from society but as long as I accept God and repent then I am good to go in the afterlife. So as long as I don't care what society thinks of me (and there are people who don't) I could be fat, lazy, mean, adulterous, a killer, a thief, and I should be cool after I am dead. I gotta be missing something here.

To me it all seems to convenient Being a Christain is not convenient at all. It would be much easier to just go with the flow. Have you ever seen the movie the 10 commandments? Pharoh was given several oppurtunities to comply and save himself and Egypt from many plagues. He agreed to comply several times but kept going back on his word, each time losing a little more. Finally his heart was hardened to the point of no return. Sin is destructive. The sinning, repenting cycle you are describing will ultimately end with hard heart beyond the point of return just like Pharoh. That type behavior is dangerous and sinful in itself.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

This is the real problem with the Catholic church and frankly speaking, Lois' church, that they don't believe that Jesus' blood covers the sins of the followers of Jesus if they ever sin. Only up until the time that they commit that sin. Then from that point forward they are going to hell until that sin is remedied. This is clearly unbiblical, but that doesn't stop the belief that it's true. Catholics believe that confession to a priest is required or they are hell bound. Lois, by his own admission, believes he is hell bound because he sinned. This is the type of thinking that provides guilt. I know that when people see the Bible quoted they usually don't read it and just skim past it, but this is a section of scripture that is clearly speaking about our freedom in Christ and that we shouldn't feel an overbearing guilt just because other believers say we should. [/b]

With all due respect, that is not what Catholics believe. Catholics believe in becoming increasingly Holy and growing in their faith. This does invlove avoiding near occasions of sin and sinning less and less as we grow. Catholics don't believe you "have" to confess to a priest for your sins to be forgiven. Confessing to a Priest and then performing a Penance is a gift which helps prevent the sin/confess cycle that has been discussed in this thread. I believe that supernatural changes take place during Confession and Penance, but lets discuss just the more conventional applications. If you know you are going to have to tell someone every couple of weeks every sin you commit, is this likely to make you think twice before commiting a sin? Especially a sin that you confessed your last two visits to the confessional? Regular visits to the confessional will decrease the amount of sin in your life. It is similar to accountability partners in protastant churches. I will discuss the so called Guilt in another post.

[crowTrobot 2]

Ok, well I just sat here in my office, closed my eyes and asked God to explain it to me and I got nothing. I think there has to be more to it then just asking.

maybe "god" isn't the christian god, and the bible & christianity are flawed nonsensical man-made contrivances, and god doesn't feel the need to explain that to you because he sees you're smart and objective enough to deduce that on your own? : )

[Don Giovanni 0]

being fat is basically encouraged in some churches that i see. it is certainly never looked down on. just another hypocrisy of Christianity.

[Jackie Childs 0]

being fat is basically encouraged in some churches that i see. it is certainly never looked down on. just another hypocrisy of Christianity.

That is the most uninformed and bogus statement I've seen on here in almost 2 hours.You don't go to church so you wouldn't know.'hypocrisy of Christianity"? go away

[Don Giovanni 0]

That is the most uninformed and bogus statement I've seen on here in almost 2 hours.You don't go to church so you wouldn't know.'hypocrisy of Christianity"? go away

ha, you idiot. yea hypocrisy of christianity, thats what i said. like priests preaching to congregations about family values and virtuous life and then being found to have had a long term affair with a married woman of the perish. thats what happened at my local church which I attended once a week for about the first 17 years of my life. then i got a grip on reality.so yea, speaking of uninformed statements...

[Zealous Donkey 0]

ha, you idiot. yea hypocrisy of christianity, thats what i said. like priests preaching to congregations about family values and virtuous life and then being found to have had a long term affair with a married woman of the perish. thats what happened at my local church which I attended once a week for about the first 17 years of my life. then i got a grip on reality.so yea, speaking of uninformed statements...

There are Priests and Nuns (way too many to list here) that have worked tirelessly for most of thier lives to feed and medicate literally millions of the worlds poor. They work to help numerous people here in the states and abroad that get NO help anywhere else. Yet you take one imperfect priest and project his misgivings on all of Christianity. Yes, there are hypocrits in every church in fact all Christians are probably hypocrits at one time or another. Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect, in fact being a Christian means admitting they are far from perfect. So for 17 years everyone in and around your church was perfect, then this one priest showed himself to be a hypocrit and this incident caused you to "get a grip on reality" This doesn't ring true to me. If you have lost your faith, just say that, don't to try to project your failure on all other Christians.

[Don Giovanni 0]

There are Priests and Nuns (way too many to list here) that have worked tirelessly for most of thier lives to feed and medicate literally millions of the worlds poor. They work to help numerous people here in the states and abroad that get NO help anywhere else. Yet you take one imperfect priest and project his misgivings on all of Christianity. Yes, there are hypocrits in every church in fact all Christians are probably hypocrits at one time or another. Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect, in fact being a Christian means admitting they are far from perfect. So for 17 years everyone in and around your church was perfect, then this one priest showed himself to be a hypocrit and this incident caused you to "get a grip on reality" This doesn't ring true to me. If you have lost your faith, just say that, don't to try to project your failure on all other Christians.

no i wasnt trying to say that one event did it. it was a gradual change. and it is not my failure to realize that I have wasted enough time with this bogus cult that has been holding humanity back for thousands of years.

[Jackie Childs 0]

There are Priests and Nuns (way too many to list here) that have worked tirelessly for most of thier lives to feed and medicate literally millions of the worlds poor. They work to help numerous people here in the states and abroad that get NO help anywhere else. Yet you take one imperfect priest and project his misgivings on all of Christianity. Yes, there are hypocrits in every church in fact all Christians are probably hypocrits at one time or another. Being a Christian doesn't mean you are perfect, in fact being a Christian means admitting they are far from perfect. So for 17 years everyone in and around your church was perfect, then this one priest showed himself to be a hypocrit and this incident caused you to "get a grip on reality" This doesn't ring true to me. If you have lost your faith, just say that, don't to try to project your failure on all other Christians.

Bwahahaha... nice one. "project his failure....."I still wonder what church he went to that encouraged people to be over weight.I wouldn't spend much time with this guy.... he has no ammo.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

no i wasnt trying to say that one event did it. it was a gradual change. and it is not my failure to realize that I have wasted enough time with this bogus cult that has been holding humanity back for thousands of years.

So in 17 years you didn't see the Chuch doing anything positive? Did you ever get involved with any of their charitable activities? Sounds like your disgruntled because they didn't live up to as high a standard as you hoped. I think this happens alot. Instead of people getting involved and trying to change things for the better, it is easier to just see the flaws and imperfections and throw up your hands and quit. BTW I am talking about myself because I have been as guilty of this as anyone.

[Don Giovanni 0]

So in 17 years you didn't see the Chuch doing anything positive? Did you ever get involved with any of their charitable activities? Sounds like your disgruntled because they didn't live up to as high a standard as you hoped. I think this happens alot. Instead of people getting involved and trying to change things for the better, it is easier to just see the flaws and imperfections and throw up your hands and quit. BTW I am talking about myself because I have been as guilty of this as anyone.

i didnt have any standard for them to live up to. when i realized what they preach and believe was fake thats the end of it.