So How Are Fatty's Treated In Church

[brvheart 1,751]

I somehow got caught in the middle of a gay pride parade this past weekend. I wasn't there for that I was there for a meeting at a hotel near it and I found it incredibly interesting. Not the gay people though, the Christians. Here is my question and I could be totally missing the point and that is fine because that is one of the reasons I am asking... about 75% of the people I saw holding signs or speaking on loud speakers about how homosexuality is a sin and they are all going to hell unless they change were obese. Not fat, obese. Isn't that technically a sin? Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins and most of these people were obviously very good at being gluttonous. So how is it that they feel the need to point out others people's alleged sins when they themselves are allegedly sinners? Do fat people in church get pointed out during certain sermons about sin? I am genuinely curious or is this one of those things where being fat is a sin that is allowed?Again, as stated in the past, I do believe in God but I do not go to church and I have not studied the Bible so I am sure someone will come and show me some passages that explain all this but I don't get how people can comment and condemn other people's actions as being a sin when they themselves are sinners? I mean we got some seriously knowledgeable religious people in this forum (that is why I thought to come here) that play poker. Isn't gambling a sin? Or has the church come to the conclusion that poker is a game of skill and not chance thus it is not considered gambling? How about smoking? I had a girlfriend once who told me that I was going to hell because I was a smoker. She said that my body was God's vessel and I was destroying it for pleasure. If anyone can shed some light on the fatty issue and the other stuff that would be great as I find it interesting.

You should reread like every thread in this forum. This question has been EXTENSIVELY covered. Being gay is not a sin. Having sex with people of the same gender is. Sins are not all equal in consequences, but they are all equal in the fact that they keep us from attaining perfection. The only way to enter heaven is with perfection. The only way to attain perfection is by having the blood of Jesus cover our / your sins. Jesus' blood will cover your sins if you 1) believe, 2) repent. (some Christians like Lois would add 3) get baptized 4) speak in tongues 5) never sin again or you go to hell if you don't say sorry 6) etc etc)My church doesn't allow overweight people be in leadership, specifically Elders, since by definition they don't have control over themselves. Why then should he oversee the local church body. This isn't a written or spoken rule, but I know the pastor well, and I know that's his position. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but just wanted to point it out since it was your question. Personally I would probably tend to agree that it's, in general, a sin. But there are always plenty of reasons that people can become overweight and it's possible that when speaking of church leadership that each person should be looked at case by case.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

Being gay is not a sin. Having sex with people of the same gender is.

I don't think gay means what you think it does.

[IamStewie 0]

All this talk about gays is paining my ass.A-Ha! See what I did there?

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

My church doesn't allow overweight people be in leadership, specifically Elders, since by definition they don't have control over themselves. Why then should he oversee the local church body. This isn't a written or spoken rule, but I know the pastor well, and I know that's his position. I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but just wanted to point it out since it was your question. Personally I would probably tend to agree that it's, in general, a sin. But there are always plenty of reasons that people can become overweight and it's possible that when speaking of church leadership that each person is looked at case by case.

I always wondered what denomination you were, now I know it's American Lutheran-No Fat Chicks Synod

[Balloon guy 158]

I don't get the girlfriend thing? She was very religious at the time and is now even a minister, or so it says on her myspace page. She would lecture me on all the sins that I did. If it wasn't for her nice ass I would have never put up with it. So I don't get what you are saying there...feel free to explain if it was important.

the point was if you want to have a relationship with God, it should be between you and Him, not you and everyone else who claims to be God's buddy. Don't use other people's shortcomings to dictate whether you choose to follow God or not.

So, clearly you have a relationship with God as you post about it freely on this board. Can you explain to me in your opinion about sinning and how it all works. Some people say sinners go to hell. Some say they don't. Some can what's the word, absolve their sins by saying some hail marys and giving some coin to the church. Is sinning really a big part of it or is it some system set up to gain more control over people. Again, not trying to offend, I just don't get it. I have been to churches and heard the bad things that happen to sinners but as Hollywood pointed out, everyone sins, so does that mean no one gets to heaven?? If so then what is the point of giving your life to God? I have to think that there are indeed levels of sin. Killing someone, stealing, doin your friends wife, etc are up there in the big no no list God has, but homosexuality and taking the Lords name in vein might be just an inch under those rules, and then gambling, smoking, being fat, being lazy and greedy is way at the bottom and often is ignored when it's time to own up. Is that right or are they all equal? And if they are, then who can get in?

God is Holy, meaning He is perfect. He doesn't allow sin in His presence. Why? Because He's God. He gets to make the rules.So man sins, thereby seperating thenselves from God. Any sin will do it. The word sin means roughly: Missing the mark.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?If only from the birthday till the day you ask, then the best thing to do is not tell anyone until moments before they die. Which the Bible clearly doesn't tell us to do. So therefore we must be covered for all our past, present and future sins.But having accepted so great a gift, can you really sin with impunity? I personally do not think a person that has accepted Christ can do this. Pleasing God becomes a motivating force in your life. And when you see that God's laws aren't fun-killers, but in fact smart living, then you can be more comfortable in living a life of holiness, no matter how bad you are at it.This world is corrupted, sin abounds and the flesh is weak. But all sin is equal to God, it is all bad and cause for problems.We place values on sin because we look at things from a finite perspective.

[brvheart 1,751]

I don't think gay means what you think it does.

ESL?

All this talk about gays is paining my ass.A-Ha! See what I did there?

Go back to General. Only people with brains can post in OT.oops:

I don't think gay means what you think it does.

I always wondered what denomination you were, now I know it's American Lutheran-No Fat Chicks Synod

non-denominational. Although you could make the case the we are very closely associated with E-Free or Baptist, since we believe in water immersion "post-acceptance of the gift of salvation".

[brvheart 1,751]

the point was if you want to have a relationship with God, it should be between you and Him, not you and everyone else who claims to be God's buddy. Don't use other people's shortcomings to dictate whether you choose to follow God or not.God is Holy, meaning He is perfect. He doesn't allow sin in His presence. Why? Because He's God. He gets to make the rules.So man sins, thereby seperating thenselves from God. Any sin will do it. The word sin means roughly: Missing the mark.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?If only from the birthday till the day you ask, then the best thing to do is not tell anyone until moments before they die. Which the Bible clearly doesn't tell us to do. So therefore we must be covered for all our past, present and future sins.But having accepted so great a gift, can you really sin with impunity? I personally do not think a person that has accepted Christ can do this. Pleasing God becomes a motivating force in your life. And when you see that God's laws aren't fun-killers, but in fact smart living, then you can be more comfortable in living a life of holiness, no matter how bad you are at it.This world is corrupted, sin abounds and the flesh is weak. But all sin is equal to God, it is all bad and cause for problems.We place values on sin because we look at things from a finite perspective.

Lois will fight you to the death over the fallacies in this post. I, on the other hand, heartily agree with everything.Romans 6 Lois, Romans 6. Was it written to people that had lost their salvation? (hint: nope)

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

ESL?Go back to General. Only people with brains can post in OT.oops:

Be nice to him, he's on your team. How are you going to win the championship, if you have this kind of fighting in the club house.

[IamStewie 0]

ESL?Go back to General. Only people with brains can post in OT.

What did you just say?You're not the boss of me, fatman!

[brvheart 1,751]

Be nice to him, he's on your team. How are you going to win the championship, if you have this kind of fighting in the club house.

There are very few (read: 1, 2 if MattXTC ever comes back) people that are on my team here. I'm certainly not going to claim members that do nothing but hurt my position. They should stay in the minors until they read their Bibles more. (tryingnottoglanceathollywoodafdface)

[strategy 4]

Wait....you smoke???SINNER UNCLEAN!

hahahaalright, this one was pretty good.

[HollywoodAFD 0]

Wait....you smoke???

Come on out to Daytona this weekend... we'll fire up some Mac's and Gloria's. I'll be there from Thursday through Monday.

[CaneBrain 95]

But having accepted so great a gift, can you really sin with impunity? I personally do not think a person that has accepted Christ can do this.

and yet, shockingly, it happens all the time. crazy world.

[Balloon guy 158]

Come on out to Daytona this weekend... we'll fire up some Mac's and Gloria's. I'll be there from Thursday through Monday.

Not a Macanudo fan, but LaGlorias...yummy.But Nascar is only exciting to me if there is a dropped lug nut. I love watching the body language of people that still think races are won or lost in the pit.

[Balloon guy 158]

and yet, shockingly, it happens all the time. crazy world.

I know...makes me wonder many times how come God doesn't just reboot. Way too much forgiveness and compassion for me to understand.I once heard a pastor say though that a person post Christ will be changed, so even the sins he does commit after conversion will be lessened.Ultimately it's not my place to judge them, only myself, which I do pretty harshly. The scale this morning made me think of this thread....you jerks!

[CaneBrain 95]

I know...makes me wonder many times how come God doesn't just reboot. Way too much forgiveness and compassion for me to understand.I once heard a pastor say though that a person post Christ will be changed, so even the sins he does commit after conversion will be lessened.Ultimately it's not my place to judge them, only myself, which I do pretty harshly. The scale this morning made me think of this thread....you jerks!

I am having serious back problems (ruptured L4-L5 disc for those who have some medical knowledge) and I have not worked out in a long time. I am putting on pounds and it sucks. So you are not alone.I am saddened that I will never be an elder at Brvheart's church. Maybe I can be an elder at Church's chicken.

[KramitDaToad 0]

I know...makes me wonder many times how come God doesn't just reboot. Way too much forgiveness and compassion for me to understand.

Flood FTL. Forgivenss & compassion - you're funny

[Balloon guy 158]

I am having serious back problems (ruptured L4-L5 disc for those who have some medical knowledge) and I have not worked out in a long time. I am putting on pounds and it sucks. So you are not alone.I am saddened that I will never be an elder at Brvheart's church. Maybe I can be an elder at Church's chicken.

At least you got an excuse, I've just been lazy, so add slothful to gluttonous. Luckily being cool isn't a sin or I'd hit the trifecta. although gambling is..so wait..nevermind.

[Balloon guy 158]

Flood FTL. Forgivenss & compassion - you're funny

Silly boy, rainbows aren't just for homos...

[Piddle Duck 0]

the point was if you want to have a relationship with God, it should be between you and Him, not you and everyone else who claims to be God's buddy. Don't use other people's shortcomings to dictate whether you choose to follow God or not.God is Holy, meaning He is perfect. He doesn't allow sin in His presence. Why? Because He's God. He gets to make the rules.So man sins, thereby seperating thenselves from God. Any sin will do it. The word sin means roughly: Missing the mark.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?If only from the birthday till the day you ask, then the best thing to do is not tell anyone until moments before they die. Which the Bible clearly doesn't tell us to do. So therefore we must be covered for all our past, present and future sins.But having accepted so great a gift, can you really sin with impunity? I personally do not think a person that has accepted Christ can do this. Pleasing God becomes a motivating force in your life. And when you see that God's laws aren't fun-killers, but in fact smart living, then you can be more comfortable in living a life of holiness, no matter how bad you are at it.This world is corrupted, sin abounds and the flesh is weak. But all sin is equal to God, it is all bad and cause for problems.We place values on sin because we look at things from a finite perspective.

I will be honest and say this really didn't help me understand and actually confused me more. Guess I am stupid. Oh well.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?So Jesus and the cross and dying and all that rigamaroll was to pay for all of my sins. How do I accept it? Just believe it? So does anyone know the answer to whether it was one sin or ten or sins made during a certain week or day covered? Or is that a big mystery in the church? To me it all seems to convenient. Maybe I am missing something but as long as I accept God then I can do whatever I want, maybe. Sure I may have to suffer hatred and damnation from society but as long as I accept God and repent then I am good to go in the afterlife. So as long as I don't care what society thinks of me (and there are people who don't) I could be fat, lazy, mean, adulterous, a killer, a thief, and I should be cool after I am dead. I gotta be missing something here.

[Balloon guy 158]

I will be honest and say this really didn't help me understand and actually confused me more. Guess I am stupid. Oh well.So God makes a way for your sin to be covered, to be paid for. He sends His Son to die, and applies all the punishment that your sin carries, onto Christ. Christ became the payment for our sin. and God makes a clear demand for this, He asks you to accept this. Not earn it, not calculate the relevance, not understand molecular biology, just accept it. After doing this your sins are wiped off your account, you are given a clean slate.Now if you sin after this, you need to ask whether God was only payin for your sins from the day you were born, until the day you asked Him for forgiveness, or did He cover your sins from the day you were born till the day you die?So Jesus and the cross and dying and all that rigamaroll was to pay for all of my sins. How do I accept it? Just believe it? So does anyone know the answer to whether it was one sin or ten or sins made during a certain week or day covered? Or is that a big mystery in the church? To me it all seems to convenient. Maybe I am missing something but as long as I accept God then I can do whatever I want, maybe. Sure I may have to suffer hatred and damnation from society but as long as I accept God and repent then I am good to go in the afterlife. So as long as I don't care what society thinks of me (and there are people who don't) I could be fat, lazy, mean, adulterous, a killer, a thief, and I should be cool after I am dead. I gotta be missing something here.

Yea, I am not the best at writing these things. Plus my wife was on me to get back to work.You can do what I did, ask God to show you what He meant. God is pretty good at explaining things.

[SBriand 4]

There was a gay pride parade, Orgins (board game convention, which was funny because there were actual protesters for that as well lol) and some other event that I couldn't figure out. Who would have thought that downtown Columbus would have been so busy and exciting. I was just at a hotel for a mandatory computer class for work. Still though, I am a lesbian.

Heh, I was at Orgins this weekend. I saw the gay parade before it started. There were a ton of protesters but my favorite one was a person holding a sign that said "Star Wars is a Cultism!" Yeah, like Christianity or any religion for that matter isn't some form of a cult. And really, liking Star Wars is a sin? I will just believe the people there were just a small hand full of wacky nutjobs and aren't real Christians.

[Piddle Duck 0]

Yea, I am not the best at writing these things. Plus my wife was on me to get back to work.You can do what I did, ask God to show you what He meant. God is pretty good at explaining things.

Ok, well I just sat here in my office, closed my eyes and asked God to explain it to me and I got nothing. I think there has to be more to it then just asking. I suspect I need to go to church and that, I am sorry to say and mean no offense, is not happening. I tried that and church made me angry and I don't think that is the intention God had. But thanks anyway.

Heh, I was at Orgins this weekend. I saw the gay parade before it started. There were a ton of protesters but my favorite one was a person holding a sign that said "Star Wars is a Cultism!" Yeah, like Christianity or any religion for that matter isn't some form of a cult. And really, liking Star Wars is a sin? I will just believe the people there were just a small hand full of wacky nutjobs and aren't real Christians.

I missed that one. That's funny. I am sure you are right though about them being crazy people rather than devote Christians but still it makes me think. So I guess they succeeding in doing that.

[brvheart 1,751]

I am having serious back problems (ruptured L4-L5 disc for those who have some medical knowledge) and I have not worked out in a long time. I am putting on pounds and it sucks. So you are not alone.I am saddened that I will never be an elder at Brvheart's church. Maybe I can be an elder at Church's chicken.

Like I said... case by case. For instance, your lack of belief in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin would probably be a slighty larger issue than your weight. (no pun intended)

At least you got an excuse, I've just been lazy, so add slothful to gluttonous. Luckily being cool isn't a sin or I'd hit the trifecta. although gambling is..so wait..nevermind.

I would disagree with the implication that all gambling is illegal. Anything done without regard to family or fiscal responsibility is wrong, yes, but I believe that it's incorrect to label gambling a sin, unless you can back that up Biblically, which I believe that you won't be able to. If I have a budget and in my budget there is $200 cash in my 'entertainment' envelope, then I can spend that money entertaining myself. If I choose to do that at a casino this is perfectly acceptable.

Heh, I was at Orgins this weekend. I saw the gay parade before it started. There were a ton of protesters but my favorite one was a person holding a sign that said "Star Wars is a Cultism!" Yeah, like Christianity or any religion for that matter isn't some form of a cult. And really, liking Star Wars is a sin? I will just believe the people there were just a small hand full of wacky nutjobs and aren't real Christians.

I feel like I had something typed here. But it's gone. Maybe I put it in a different thread by accident.

[CaneBrain 95]

Like I said... case by case. For instance, your lack of belief in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin would probably be a slighty larger issue than your weight. (no pun intended)

I just wanted to make a Church's chicken joke. You have no feel for comedy!