WhatArunAA 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 If you play a tournament on someone elses name.. yet don't enter under your own name as well( multi accounting) .. is this looked down on by the poker community? Is it illegal in stars TOS??? Just curious.. I'm getting sick and tired of getting 3 bet everytime I open by some player that has only played 3 tourneys in his lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I don't see that as unethical - would be the same as you being on skype, msn, etc helping him play. As long as you're not also in the same tourney on your own account I can't see it being a problem.edit--on second thought, I think as a one-off thing it's ok (like if i was at my dad's house and entered something on his account or whatever) - but if you're making a habit out of it, that's different. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 From the TOS agreement. 5.2. PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PokerStars for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PokerStars and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PokerStars and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 If you play a tournament on someone elses name.. yet don't enter under your own name as well( multi accounting) .. is this looked down on by the poker community? Is it illegal in stars TOS??? Just curious.. I'm getting sick and tired of getting 3 bet everytime I open by some player that has only played 3 tourneys in his lifetime.I don't understand the problem here. The guys that should be 3betting you light aren't the noobs, but the regs that you constantly play with. However, because they play on their same accounts (hypothetically) you can adjust. Unless your saying, all the other good players are switching up accounts. But seriously, I thought after winning 3 Majors you get banned for complaining about poker, no? Link to post Share on other sites
WhatArunAA 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 I don't understand the problem here. The guys that should be 3betting you light aren't the noobs, but the regs that you constantly play with. However, because they play on their same accounts (hypothetically) you can adjust. Unless your saying, all the other good players are switching up accounts. But seriously, I thought after winning 3 Majors you get banned for complaining about poker, no?I'm saying the regs are swithcing and playing on other accounts.. if it wasnt against TOS I was going to start doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I don't understand the problem here. The guys that should be 3betting you light aren't the noobs, but the regs that you constantly play with. However, because they play on their same accounts (hypothetically) you can adjust. Unless your saying, all the other good players are switching up accounts. But seriously, I thought after winning 3 Majors you get banned for complaining about poker, no?Yeah, that's what he's saying.I'm pretty sure it is against the rules btw.Also, I don't see how it can be a huge advantages in MTTs. Like, how often will you be at the table of a good player, who switched/created a new account, and how can he use knowing you and you not knowing him to such an advantage that it decreases your EV massively.. Rly not a massive deal imo. It would be much more beneficial changing a/c's in cash games imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Billionaire 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 jjprodigy and zeejustin would frown upon this lackluster form of cheating Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 CAVEAT: If you are getting cheated by someone playing someone else's account, that's not right and I hope it works out for you.That being said, you have a tremendous advantage with all the datamining devices out there when you play tourneys online. Unless you show up at the B&M everyday, you have no idea who the shmucks who are three-betting you in the weekly $1000 tourney are. Since it's the information age, you have a ton of info on some faceless handle on PS. Not only that, but say that person was a donk for years, and is now working hard to improve his game. Since there's datamining everywhere, all the pros are playing him as if he were a big donk, and his variance continues to be high because he's getting called down/shoved at light because he had a bad last year. Any more fair than you getting 3-bet by someone whose credit history report you don't have? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 If there are people playing under different names it gives them a huge advantage, especially in higher buy in tournaments with a ton of regs, since they know how you play and you know how they play, yet you don't have access to the later information but they have access to the former. The problem is it's damn near unenforcable. I could open an account under my girlfriends name at Stars today, fund it, have you send me a check, and you could play on it. Since it's that easy I am sure it is being done in some capacity.That being said, I think this would have to be happening a lot more than it probably is for it to be having a big effect though.4 bet shove lighter more often? Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 If you play a tournament on someone elses name.. yet don't enter under your own name as well( multi accounting) .. is this looked down on by the poker community? Is it illegal in stars TOS??? Just curious.. I'm getting sick and tired of getting 3 bet everytime I open by some player that has only played 3 tourneys in his lifetime.i know i am going to come off as a dick, but those arent my intentions for this post.you have won the triple crown, you are a professional, man up and adapt. again solely my opinion Link to post Share on other sites
Veener Schnitz 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 if you're not cheating, you aren't trying hard enough. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 i know i am going to come off as a dick, but those arent my intentions for this post.you have won the triple crown, you are a professional, man up and adapt. again solely my opinionI don't see how that's relevant.This would be like saying Chipper Jones, since he is leading the league in hitting, should man up and adapt when a pitcher is throwing spitballs. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I don't see how that's relevant.This would be like saying Chipper Jones, since he is leading the league in hitting, should man up and adapt when a pitcher is throwing spitballs.not at all, these players 3betting whatarunAA presumeabley dont have more than one account so there is no cheating in 3betting Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 not at all, these players 3betting whatarunAA presumeabley dont have more than one account so there is no cheating in 3betting I'm saying the regs are swithcing and playing on other accounts.. if it wasnt against TOS I was going to start doing it.As you can see premise is that they do have more than one account.Also, you said that because of his results he should man up and adapt. So is it about his results, or isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 As you can see premise is that they do have more than one account.Also, you said that because of his results he should man up and adapt. So is it about his results, or isn't it?it is about he is a professional player he should be able to adapt to the situation, can you imagine how many times ivey and daniel and barry get 3bet because of who they are but they arent using different accounts, also there are a lot more non pros than there are pros so the few that do have more than one account are the exception to your spitball comparrison Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 it is about he is a professional player he should be able to adapt to the situation, can you imagine how many times ivey and daniel and barry get 3bet because of who they are but they arent using different accounts, also there are a lot more non pros than there are pros so the few that do have more than one account are the exception to your spitball comparrisonWhat? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 it is about he is a professional player he should be able to adapt to the situation, can you imagine how many times ivey and daniel and barry get 3bet because of who they are but they arent using different accounts, also there are a lot more non pros than there are pros so the few that do have more than one account are the exception to your spitball comparrisonIt's a whole lot easier to adapt to someone when you actually know who they are. If someone keeps using new accounts, how can you adapt to that? Link to post Share on other sites
Canuckickstan 2 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 My wife plays smaller buy in tourneys on my account all the time. Is that cheating ? She usually kicks ass when she plays too, but 18 man $1.20 wins $7.80. Weeee Link to post Share on other sites
cubsfan44 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I_fold07 was so much less retarded...I miss him Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 it is about he is a professional player he should be able to adapt to the situation, can you imagine how many times ivey and daniel and barry get 3bet because of who they are but they arent using different accounts, also there are a lot more non pros than there are pros so the few that do have more than one account are the exception to your spitball comparrisonI'm not really sure what all this means. What is the "situation"?All I know is you said before that since he won 3 majors, he should STFU and adapt.Then the next post your argument changed to the fact that they more than likely aren't opening other accounts.I'm trying to figure out which it is since it can't be both. I guess I sort of see what you're trying to get at but it doesn't make a lot of sense. The whole premise of the OP was that people are opening other accounts. He didn't make the post to whine about getting 3 bet too much. I'm sure he talks with other high stakes winners about how they adapt to getting 3 bet more frequently than they used to, and if that was the intention of the thread I think he would have clarified that. Link to post Share on other sites
BigLebowski 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 It's a whole lot easier to adapt to someone when you actually know who they are. If someone keeps using new accounts, how can you adapt to that?I_fold, just in case you think WhatAArun's friends are the ones backing him up here......I have no affiliation to him whatsoever and actually don't think he is a very good player at all.You're argument is not intelligent. Suited's post basically sums it up. Results have nothing to do with the argument.Not so hidden sw somewhere in there. Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 completely unethical Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 I'm saying the regs are swithcing and playing on other accounts.. if it wasnt against TOS I was going to start doing it.loloolol srsly? dude just because stuff isnt against the rules doesnt mean it is right. How do you not see this is highly unethical? Just because other people cheat it does not mean you should.Ya, like I_fold said, just man up and outplay everyone. You do not even need to outplay people. Just play ****in straightforward and people will spew off their chips to you. People play sooooo bad and I doubt people are changing up their accounts that much. You just have to realize with all the articles, forums, cardrunners, etc that the general public is gonna be much more agressive (does not mean that they are less exploitable). Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 loloolol srsly? dude just because stuff isnt against the rules doesnt mean it is right. How do you not see this is highly unethical? Just because other people cheat it does not mean you should.Ya, like I_fold said, just man up and outplay everyone. You do not even need to outplay people. Just play ****in straightforward and people will spew off their chips to you. People play sooooo bad and I doubt people are changing up their accounts that much. You just have to realize with all the articles, forums, cardrunners, etc that the general public is gonna be much more agressive (does not mean that they are less exploitable).yeah, QFT.I don't think it rly happens all that much anyway, at least not enough to drastically affect your ROI Link to post Share on other sites
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