AimHigher 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO (t1580)Hero (t3555)SB (t2765)BB (t16416)UTG (t6855)UTG+1 (t1995)MP1 (t12500)MP2 (t5390)MP3 (t4260)Preflop: Hero is Button with ATC.4 folds, MP3 calls t400, 1 fold, Hero raises to t3505Yes? 1450 in the pot when it comes to me. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Not enough information. Status of the tourney, payouts, reads on MP3 and the blinds, when are blinds going up.Generally the answer is no, youre looking for first in vigorish with an M of 3.5, and certainly not ATC. Kx and Ax its a maybe depending on the other issues and what x is. Krablar? fold. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Not enough information. Status of the tourney, payouts, reads on MP3 and the blinds, when are blinds going up.Generally the answer is no, youre looking for first in vigorish with an M of 3.5, and certainly not ATC. Ks and As its a maybe depending on the other issues.I'm like 40/60 remaining players, 180 total. bubble is top 18. No reads, but it's a $2.20 so limp-folding is a frequent occurence.Maybe 12 BBs is a bit much for this push. Link to post Share on other sites
Berwatchey 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I like the shove here, although at this level a smallish raise to say 1200 will usually fold out most hands. if the blind or the limper call just shove the flop and they will almost certainly fold to you. but if you shove pre they may call for a 60 40 race that they may have folded to a flop shove.only other thing id say is be careful when someone limps in front of a short stack in these levels too, because people frequently start limping big hands to get players like the CO to shove with inferior cards because of the pot odds.alot of times at these levels MP3 limps with any 2 face cards, and any pair above 4's. and snap calls your a 10 shove. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I'm like 40/60 remaining players, 180 total. bubble is top 18. No reads, but it's a $2.20 so limp-folding is a frequent occurence.Maybe 12 BBs is a bit much for this push.If you were BB I could see pushing if limp/folding is common, but with two players to go plus the possbility that the limp is with a real hand, Id want some showdown value before I pushed. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I'm like 40/60 remaining players, 180 total. bubble is top 18. No reads, but it's a $2.20 so limp-folding is a frequent occurence.Maybe 12 BBs is a bit much for this push.Well yeh, but you don't have 12 BBs, unless i'm completely blind.I shove a wideish range here depending on reads, but I wouldn't go as far as ATC. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Well yeh, but you don't have 12 BBs, unless i'm completely blind.I shove a wideish range here depending on reads, but I wouldn't go as far as ATC.My bad, I think the blinds were 150/300 a few hands before this one and in between posting the HH and posting my comment I got mixed up. Obviously there is a point that once you drop below you can shove any two cards, not sure what it is though. Maybe like 6 BBs if there are antes? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 My bad, I think the blinds were 150/300 a few hands before this one and in between posting the HH and posting my comment I got mixed up. Obviously there is a point that once you drop below you can shove any two cards, not sure what it is though. Maybe like 6 BBs if there are antes?I forget Harrington's M ranges exactly, but without first in vigorish I think ATC may even be lower than 6bb (4M without antes). with FIV 6M sounds about right for ATC. Link to post Share on other sites
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