Underpair After Checked Turn

[Ouch-8s 4]

Absolute PokerNo Fold 'em Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$18 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $95UTG+1: $134.17MP1: $153.11MP2: $104.60CO: $44.98Button: $46.35SB: $132.48BB: $13.95Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds.Flop: ($8.5, 2 players)Hero bets $5.25, MP2 calls.Turn: ($19, 2 players)Hero checks, MP2 checks.River: ($19, 2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets $11, Hero ???Villian is 16/2.5/2.3 over 400 hands. I've only been at the table for 2 orbits, I check folded the only other hand I've played so far

[tskillz187 0]

Blah, I go ahead and look him up here. Wouldn't be surprised to see 67ss. I doubt he value bets a J there though. This is missed spades at least a decent % of the time and I'd like to get info on if he would value bet a J there or how he plays top pair etc.

[Dictius 0]

He is unlikely value betting a worse hand than yours.How often is he bluffing a missed draw here? He needs to be bluffing ~27% of the time to make this a breakeven call.I think he either has a Q or a missed draw a lot or a badly slowplayed set/quads some small % of the time.Bah, I probably fold. I think this is a queen too often.I would have b/f the turn tbh. People float the flop with all kinds of rubbish.

[SCS 0]

I call if I have some sort of read/history with opponent.Usually I just fold.

[LJB723 0]

Call. If he's checked the turn with a Q or if he bet the riber with a J he's a moron. I think you have to look him up.

[krup24 0]

i bet/fold the river as played i think i call just based on his turn check which is usually spades a lot

[No_Neck 0]

I call if I have some sort of read/history with opponent.Usually I just fold.

Bet folding works best IMO

[tskillz187 0]

What does bet/folding accomplish? He never calls with worse, and never folds better.

[LJB723 0]

What does bet/folding accomplish? He never calls with worse, and never folds better.

True story.

[BertTheKid 0]

What does bet/folding accomplish? He never calls with worse, and never folds better.

It prevents people bluffing with missed spade draws...

[mtdesmoines 3]

Absolute PokerNo Fold 'em Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$18 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $95UTG+1: $134.17MP1: $153.11MP2: $104.60CO: $44.98Button: $46.35SB: $132.48BB: $13.95Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is UTG with Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds.Flop: ($8.5, 2 players)Hero bets $5.25, MP2 calls.Turn: ($19, 2 players)Hero checks, MP2 checks.River: ($19, 2 players)Hero checks, MP2 bets $11, Hero ???Villian is 16/2.5/2.3 over 400 hands. I've only been at the table for 2 orbits, I check folded the only other hand I've played so far

Bet the turn. I hate calling the river. He prob holds JT.

[tskillz187 0]

It prevents people bluffing with missed spade draws...

Yes it does. That's a very bad thing, you never want to bet so that people won't bluff.

[simo_8ball 0]

Yes it does. That's a very bad thing, you never want to be so that people won't bluff.

Not necessarily.EDIT: I'd maybe best expand on that.If we check, he will bet X hands that beat us and Y hands we beat. If we are check/folding, then he will win some pots with the worst hand.If betting $1 means he will never bluff us, then that's a pretty awesome outcome, because we win the pot every time we are ahead, and we only lose $1 when behind.Against a better hand we lose $1 compared to $0.Against a worse hand we win $0 compared to losing $19.Your point is correct in general, but if we are check/folding we want him bluffing as infrequently as possible.

[fckthis 0]

Shove. You get him to fold everything but a str8, which is an unlikely holding cause u have 2 10s. Plus you fold out hands like AJ Kj, and even some weakish Qs. imo its shove>fold>call.

[Ouch-8s 4]

Bet the turn.

I don't know, betting the turn just seems like an invitation to get pushed off my now additional outs, assuming I even need them.

Shove. You get him to fold everything but a str8, which is an unlikely holding cause u have 2 10s. Plus you fold out hands like AJ Kj, and even some weakish Qs. imo its shove>fold>call.

Shoving is kinda a huge overbet, and I think just turns my hand into a pure bluff.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Just fold the river.If he's at all competent, he'll value bet a Jx hand here. Any hand that he called the flop with had a pair or draw. You can't beat him if he flopped any pair since the 6 paired the river. You can't beat KT which was the most obvious straight draw and I doubt he turns K9 or T9 into a bluff here that often.Basically, you're calling hoping that he's got totally airballed spades, which I just don't think is the case often enough to call.Bet/folding sucks for reasons TSKILLZ pointed out.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Bet the turn. I hate calling the river. He prob holds JT.

Just fold the river. If he's at all competent, he'll value bet a Jx hand here. Any hand that he called the flop with had a pair or draw. You can't beat him if he flopped any pair since the 6 paired the river. You can't beat KT which was the most obvious straight draw and I doubt he turns K9 or T9 into a bluff here that often. Basically, you're calling hoping that he's got totally airballed spades, which I just don't think is the case often enough to call. Bet/folding sucks for reasons TSKILLZ pointed out.

Totally agree.

[Dictius 0]

Does everyone like the turn check?I prefer to bet/fold. I think we can get a jack to fold some of the time and still get value from a spade draw. If we are called by a queen we have a bunch of outs to improve on the river still.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Bet the turn. I hate calling the river. He prob holds JT.

Does everyone like the turn check?I prefer to bet/fold. I think we can get a jack to fold some of the time and still get value from a spade draw. If we are called by a queen we have a bunch of outs to improve on the river still.