keith crime 8 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 The guitarist they added late was Pat Smear or the GermsNirvana's lyrics were not obscure they were downright darkDave Grohl was always just a hired gun with Nirvana - he joined late and was a great drummer but musically he was always who he is nowit's not like he sold out - Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Of course Nirvana's music was simple. It's grunge for crying out loud.yes, obv.. but for someone to call out grol for making "pop", when what Nirvana made was essentially pop with distortion, is just kinda funny to me. And I like Nirvana just fine, I don't think calling something "pop" is a slur. But math rock Nirvana ain't. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I think they could've been really good if they had hired a guitar player.Kurt was an excellent guitar playerwho was that queer guy that played with them towards the end and on the unplugged thing?Pat Smear and a couple of dudes from the Meat Puppets Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Kurt was an excellent guitar playerJoking, right?Being able to play power chords, and solos that cover at the most 2-3 strings does not make you an excellent guitar player. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Joking, right?Being able to play power chords, and solos that cover at the most 2-3 strings does not make you an excellent guitar player.I think he practiced a lot of self-sabotage, actually. He really didn't want to be a star at all, from what I can tell, so he avoided playing anything that could have brought him more attanetion from a different angle. I'm not saying he's in a class with, for example, anyone who graduated from Berklee, but he wrote a lot of songs that are unmistakably Nirvana. Leaving a specific stylistic imprint on a song is a trademark of a quality musician, the corollary being that Kurt was a pretty damn good guitar player. Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Joking, right?Being able to play power chords, and solos that cover at the most 2-3 strings does not make you an excellent guitar player.Rainman was an excellent driver. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I think he practiced a lot of self-sabotage, actually. He really didn't want to be a star at all, from what I can tell, so he avoided playing anything that could have brought him more attanetion from a different angle. I'm not saying he's in a class with, for example, anyone who graduated from Berklee, but he wrote a lot of songs that are unmistakably Nirvana. Leaving a specific stylistic imprint on a song is a trademark of a quality musician, the corollary being that Kurt was a pretty damn good guitar player.I can buy that Kurt Cobain was an excellent song writer. I wouldn't agree, but I could buy it. But he just wasn't an excellent guitar player. He played power chords. Learning Nirvana songs is one of the easiest things a person learning to play guitar can do.Like, the Ramones, for example. They played 100 percent power chords. Their music is extremely easy to learn how to play. And their songs are brilliant little pop numbers, but it's not because of the guitar playing. Just because you, as a musical choice, decide to play simple, doesn't make it any less simple. Writing a great song, or a catchy song, just doesn't require being an excellent guitar player ( and being an excellent guitarist doesn't mean you will write great songs, either) That's like, the whole point of punk rock, really, it was a reaction to the indulgant, guitar hero style of 70's rock thing Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Rainman was an excellent driver.Homestarrunner is an excellent athelete <sic> Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 That's like, the whole point of punk rock, really, it was a reaction to the indulgant, guitar hero style of 70's rock thingActually punk was a reaction against art/prog rock, not guitar heros per se. Sylvain Sylvain did plenty of extended soloing and guitar "posing" live, for example. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Actually punk was a reaction against art/prog rock, not guitar heros per se. Sylvain Sylvain did plenty of extended soloing and guitar "posing" live, for example.so you're making a distinction between "art/prog" rock, and ' indulgant, guitar hero style of 70's rock thing"because it was prog rock's exact indulgence I was talking about when I said indulgent. And while the New York Dolls might have had extended solos, very, very few punk bands did. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 so you're making a distinction between "art/prog" rock, and ' indulgant, guitar hero style of 70's rock thing"OMG, theres a huge distinction. Art/prog = Yes, Floyd, King Crimson, ELP, Genesis et al. Except for Floyd and Yes these werent even guitar oriented bands, and even Yes was heavily keyboard oriented and with the emphasis on acoustic guitar far from a "guitar hero" band. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 OMG, theres a huge distinction. Art/prog = Yes, Floyd, King Crimson, ELP, Genesis et al. Except for Floyd and Yes these werent even guitar oriented bands, and even Yes was heavily keyboard oriented and with the emphasis on acoustic guitar far from a "guitar hero" band.Well, lets just say that I don't agree that Punk was solely a reaction to Yes. From the Ramones wiki...It was also a reaction against the bombastic, complex, and heavily produced pop and rock music -- ranging from Led Zeppelin to progressive rock, as well as the smooth sounds of Los Angeles studio musicians later termed yacht rock -- which dominated the chrts in the 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Well, lets just say that I don't agree that Punk was solely a reaction to Yes. From the Ramones wiki...I agree, "solely prog rock" is a stretch, but certainly largely it was prog rock. Johnny Rotten, eg, specifically dissed Pink Floyd as the epitome of what was wrong with rock, and that certainly wasnt directed at Gilmour/guitar, but the overall scale of prog rock. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I agree, "solely prog rock" is a stretch, but certainly largely it was prog rock. Johnny Rotten, eg, specifically dissed Pink Floyd as the epitome of what was wrong with rock, and that certainly wasnt directed at Gilmour/guitar, but the overall scale of prog rock.yeah, but Pink Floyd was sort of the bridge between Prog and the rest of the arena rock of the era... they were pretty much the poster boy for everything that was wrong with 70's rock. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 yeah, but Pink Floyd was sort of the bridge between Prog and the rest of the arena rock of the era... they were pretty much the poster boy for everything that was right with rock, period.FYP Link to post Share on other sites
drcossack 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Regarding the backmasking controversy, there's a video podcast by Michael Shermer of _Skeptic_ magazine. It's in TED Talks, and it's called "Why People Believe Strange Things." He plays the song forward and backward, with the supposed backward lyrics posted on a video screen, and he agrees with the scientist's observations that people can't identify the backward message until prompted, so he concludes it's basically the power of suggestion.I have had bad hearing ever since having scarlet fever as an infant. Whether it's that or just a plain lack of being observant, but I've never been good at identifying songs, and for some very strange reason, I have never ONCE been able to identify "Stairway to Heaven." Yet every time it's being played, I've asked my husband or someone else, "what's this song?" It's become a long-standing -- not quite joke, but "thing." In fact, we were watching the Michael Shermer video one night and he didn't identify the song before he played it. Of course, I asked.Bolded for truth.I listened to the backmasked version a few days ago with the lyrics on the screen and those were the words I heard. I listened to it again a couple minutes ago and it was mainly garbled - the only word I heard was Satan. Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Led Zeppelin - Greatest Rock N Roll Band EverJimmy Page - GodMy Fav Zeppelin SongsBring It On HomeLivin Lovin Maid (She's Just A Woman)FriendsCelebration DayOut on The TilesFour SticksThe Rain SongNo QuarterTrampled UnderfootWanton SongSick AgainAchilles Last Stand Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Foo Fighters are awful.they are a totally decent rock band that plays totally fine rock songs. they aren't trying to do anything more than that. and they still manage to achieve a couple moments of insane energy on every album. i think they're about 1/1,000,000 as loathsome as you imply. plenty of much much more terrible music out there to complain about. Link to post Share on other sites
Untilted 158 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 they are a totally decent rock band that plays totally fine rock songs. they aren't trying to do anything more than that. and they still manage to achieve a couple moments of insane energy on every album. i think they're about 1/1,000,000 as loathsome as you imply. plenty of much much more terrible music out there to complain about. Not a huge fan of Foo Fighters but I had a chance to see them live a couple of months ago and they were pretty decent. It seemed that they really connected with the audience Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 they are a totally decent rock band that plays totally fine rock songs. they aren't trying to do anything more than that. and they still manage to achieve a couple moments of insane energy on every album. i think they're about 1/1,000,000 as loathsome as you imply. plenty of much much more terrible music out there to complain about.Oh, there is much worse out there, but not much thats worse and over-hyped as much. But, like movies or women, its primarily just taste. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 they are a totally decent rock band that plays totally fine rock songs. they aren't trying to do anything more than that. and they still manage to achieve a couple moments of insane energy on every album. i think they're about 1/1,000,000 as loathsome as you imply. plenty of much much more terrible music out there to complain about.After seeing that "Stairway" cover, I don't know how anyone could hate them. I think alot of it is polarization caused by the massive Nirvana love people have. I think people hate Hole/Courtney Love as much as they do for the same reason ( with a little misogeny kicker). Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 After seeing that "Stairway" cover, I don't know how anyone could hate them. I think alot of it is polarization caused by the massive Nirvana love people have. I think people hate Hole/Courtney Love as much as they do for the same reason ( with a little misogeny kicker).actually I never liked Nirvana that much, Ive just hated Dave Grohl from the minute I saw Learning to Fly. Pearl Jam, Mother Love Bone and Alice >>>>>>>>>>Nirvana...oh yeah, and Soundgarden and Faith no More (the Mike Patton lineup, not the Courtney Love lineup!) Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Oh, there is much worse out there, but not much thats worse and over-hyped as much. But, like movies or women, its primarily just taste.Nickelback Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Ive just hated Dave Grohl from the minute I saw Learning to Fly.have you heard him play teh rock music on drums imo Link to post Share on other sites
Vinnie_Terranova 5 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 1. Stairway To Heaven2. Babe I'm Gonna Leave You3. Achilles Last Stand4. Kashmir5. When The Levee Breaks6. All Of My Love7. Immigrant Song8. Whole Lotta Love9. Heartbreaker10. Dazed and Confused Link to post Share on other sites
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