2008 Wsop Event 31 $2,500 6 Handed Nl Holdem Final Table

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Just wanted to add my congrats. Really well played.I hope it's not to soon to bring up, but I was hoping we would get to hear Fluffdog's thoughts about all the limping from the SB 3-handed. Anyone who has read Fluff's posts about hands/matches knows that he is very strategic and wouldn't do something like that without really putting some thought into it. So I'd love to hear him discuss it.Once again, great play, great run. It is well deserved and you'll for sure have a ton of success in the future!

Just my thoughts on limping from the SB, is that I would think it is more an issue of pot control, because Dario has such a WIDE WIDE 3-betting range. Since Fluff only had 20ish blinds for the most part, he doesn't want to raise a marginal hand then get slammed with a 3-bet from Dario and then have to figure out if his QJ is up against J3 or KK for all his chips. Limp/calling allows him to see flops with a wider range of hands, not to mention opens the door for a limp/raise play if needed.I'd be curious to know anyone elses thoughts on that as well.

[checkymcfold 0]

Just my thoughts on limping from the SB, is that I would think it is more an issue of pot control, because Dario has such a WIDE WIDE 3-betting range. Since Fluff only had 20ish blinds for the most part, he doesn't want to raise a marginal hand then get slammed with a 3-bet from Dario and then have to figure out if his QJ is up against J3 or KK for all his chips. Limp/calling allows him to see flops with a wider range of hands, not to mention opens the door for a limp/raise play if needed.I'd be curious to know anyone elses thoughts on that as well.

fwiw, over the course of the final table, justin began by raising 2.5-3x when opening, and slowly lowered that amount over the 10 or so hours until he was mostly limping. as a spectator, i attributed this to a couple things (which obv may or may not be correct):1. the blinds got bigger relative to stacks later on in the day (they played 3-4 handed 4-eva) and justin wanted to have a lot of postflop wiggle room in terms of bet sizing on multiple streets because he felt he had a sizeable postflop edge.2. since dario was to his left, and justin had shown that he was capable of flat out pwning his aggressive play by making some disgustingly sick q high and a high call downs, he was content with letting dario do the preflop raising.2a. since seth was obviously outmatched postflop vs. both of the other players, and he was to dario's left, he was playing almost exclusively preflop poker. thus, when justin limped, he was able to save himself a couple bets when seth decided to make a big 3bet after dario raised, etc.3. playing consistently passively allowed him to set up his big hands (thinking of the KK one where he flatcalled/called all in, specifically) without looking suspicious.

[TeeSludge 0]

GG Fluff.. well done

[Balloon guy 158]

fwiw, over the course of the final table, justin began by raising 2.5-3x when opening, and slowly lowered that amount over the 10 or so hours until he was mostly limping. as a spectator, i attributed this to a couple things (which obv may or may not be correct):1. the blinds got bigger relative to stacks later on in the day (they played 3-4 handed 4-eva) and justin wanted to have a lot of postflop wiggle room in terms of bet sizing on multiple streets because he felt he had a sizeable postflop edge.2. since dario was to his left, and justin had shown that he was capable of flat out pwning his aggressive play by making some disgustingly sick q high and a high call downs, he was content with letting dario do the preflop raising.2a. since seth was obviously outmatched postflop vs. both of the other players, and he was to dario's left, he was playing almost exclusively preflop poker. thus, when justin limped, he was able to save himself a couple bets when seth decided to make a big 3bet after dario raised, etc.3. playing consistently passively allowed him to set up his big hands (thinking of the KK one where he flatcalled/called all in, specifically) without looking suspicious.

Good insightHow's Vegas treating you?

[Xeno85 0]

fwiw, over the course of the final table, justin began by raising 2.5-3x when opening, and slowly lowered that amount over the 10 or so hours until he was mostly limping. as a spectator, i attributed this to a couple things (which obv may or may not be correct):1. the blinds got bigger relative to stacks later on in the day (they played 3-4 handed 4-eva) and justin wanted to have a lot of postflop wiggle room in terms of bet sizing on multiple streets because he felt he had a sizeable postflop edge.2. since dario was to his left, and justin had shown that he was capable of flat out pwning his aggressive play by making some disgustingly sick q high and a high call downs, he was content with letting dario do the preflop raising.2a. since seth was obviously outmatched postflop vs. both of the other players, and he was to dario's left, he was playing almost exclusively preflop poker. thus, when justin limped, he was able to save himself a couple bets when seth decided to make a big 3bet after dario raised, etc.3. playing consistently passively allowed him to set up his big hands (thinking of the KK one where he flatcalled/called all in, specifically) without looking suspicious.

Having talked with the kid about playing super-aggro hu players in the past, I'm pretty sure that checkymcfold hit Fluff's reasoning right on the head. If you listen to his exit interview, he says he was fairly card dead after the KK early on, and once he went 2+ hours of play w/o 3-betting I'm pretty sure he's not getting any action by 3-betting a big hand unless it's a cooler. Add in the fact that if Seth does 3-bet Dario after Justin either limps button or is in the BB and Justin has a strong hand he can easily get it in w/ his stack size (eg. the last hand). If it was me, I would have tilted off long before he did, but he did admirably especially if he was as card dead as it seemed.

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[vervius 0]

GG!!! WI staying strong!!!Wish I could have tracked it longer but this country's internet is a little weak!If you're back in the state by the time I'm on R&R maybe we can swap stories while I make the wisconsin poker run! (lol!)