Whiffed Overs Versus A Lunatic

[LJB723 0]

A little history on villain. Started at the same table where villain open-shoved 40BB UTG with ATos. After a table re-shuffle he has played most hands limp/calling preflop. A hand or 2 previous he called an all-in on a T69r with Qh5h. So knowing psychopathic tendancy of our villain can we call here? Or give it up and keep a playable stack?CryptologicNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $75/$1509 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $2355UTG+1: $3290MP1: $8450MP2: $3695Hero: $4655CO: $7185Button: $4465SB: $2980BB: $5595Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A J 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $450, 4 folds, MP1 calls.Flop: 8 2 T ($1125, 2 players)MP1 is all-in $8000, Hero ??.

[copernicus 0]

All of your comments relate to preflop. Its important to watch a maniacs actions on the flop too. Many continue their anti-social tendencies while many others back off. Without any post flop reads I fold...even maniacs hit a flop now and then and youre not getting the odds you need to try and draw out on a pair, much less a hand that got hit hard.

[gobears 0]

I'd fold - even though he's a maniac, you only have Ace high and maniacs do get hands sometimes. You still have 18bbs after this hand so you have time.

[Berwatchey 0]

bad news: you should fold here. good news: hes an idiot and if your patient hes gonna give you his chips eventually. go ahead and fold. but he'll prolly just think he can push you arround and get even more loose in pots with you in the future. thats good. not to mention your gona be in position on him the rest of his tournament life(which shouldnt be too long)

[mk 11]

uh given read this is a snap call

[Berwatchey 0]

uh given read this is a snap call

thats how maniacs get there chips....even if he wasnt a maniac the 8 and the 10 are way in his limp call range of suited connectors. its too easy for ace high to be no good here.

[mk 11]

thats how maniacs get there chips....even if he wasnt a maniac the 8 and the 10 are way in his limp call range of suited connectors. its too easy for ace high to be no good here.

when people shove 8x pot on a dry flop, do you think they EVER want a call? i don't, but maybe that's just me.

[LJB723 0]

when people shove 8x pot on a dry flop, do you think they EVER want a call? i don't, but maybe that's just me.

This was my thinking. His call with Q-high earlier confirmed my read that he's a buffoon. I felt he had something like 97, QJ, J9, 76 and thought "He has AK, I's has outs!!!!!!!!!" (Yes, I was playing Sal from Futurama)I called. He had 87. He open-shoved with 2nd pair, and a barely playable kicker. I bricked, obv.

[Berwatchey 0]

when people shove 8x pot on a dry flop, do you think they EVER want a call? i don't, but maybe that's just me.

or he wants you to call with ace high thinking he has nothing when he in fact has second pair. maniacs get chips becase when the shove with nothing they get lucky sometimes and hit. but everyone remembers they shoved with nothing and then when someone hero calls with ace high they turn over second pair....now hero is out and squandered the opportunity to abuse position with solid cards. he could easily wait for a better spot. the manic cant get lucky for ever....maximize your chances.ljb, i noticed when you listed your range for villian you put down all the low likely suited connectors he would be playing that way, but you left out any hand that included a 10 or an 8. from your range you made it seem like you wanted villian to have nothing(which you did).

[LJB723 0]

ljb, i noticed when you listed your range for villian you put down all the low likely suited connectors he would be playing that way, but you left out any hand that included a 10 or an 8. from your range you made it seem like you wanted villian to have nothing(which you did).

Oh I know an 8 or T or even T8 are well within his limp/calling range. And had he bet say 500-700 into the 1000 I'd be more inclined to put those cards to the top of his range. The only hands I really eliminated were ones that had me crushed, overpair, 2pr, set.But when he open-shoves it looks like he's using FE or semi-bluffing rather than trying to induce a hero-call from me.

[Berwatchey 0]

Oh I know an 8 or T or even T8 are well within his limp/calling range. And had he bet say 500-700 into the 1000 I'd be more inclined to put those cards to the top of his range. The only hands I really eliminated were ones that had me crushed, overpair, 2pr, set.But when he open-shoves it looks like he's using FE or semi-bluffing rather than trying to induce a hero-call from me.

i totally agree that villian turns over a set pretty much never.overpairs are just as rare IMO. but ive seen this line taken by donks when they hit a raggedy 2 pair on the flop like j2. but its rare. (say 15%ish)would you not say mid pair or bottom pair with a weak kicker is semi bluffing? he has a pair so if he gets called he figures his 7 is live and he can still find one of the last 2 eights(thats donk outs but you gotta think like the enemy so you knew hes not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed) his bet is totally donkish obviously, because the only hand that should be calling his all in is a hand that has him crushed. and any hand that folds would have folded for much much less than all his chips.