RDog 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 How in the world did DN play that hand like that?What you know donk? Link to post Share on other sites
Potomophobia 17 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I must say that I am a more than a little puzzled at Daniel's play. Link to post Share on other sites
msals11 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 wow i thought that hand was a joke? DN calling a raise with JJ on that flop? Weird stuffdidn't call a raise on the flop, called a reraise preflop... that goes to all of the others who said that in this thread as well... not saying he lost the minimum by any means because i do think his bet on the river is pretty terrible, but at least get the facts straight if you are going to critique... fwiw i hate the value bet on the river because no hands in his range are going to call you that you beat... if you really believe he has AK check/calling giving him the chance to bluff would be much more profitable in this spot as i find it hard to believe he's going to look you up that light on the end.... that said, you have played many hands with bill i'm sure, but from a naked eye, that's my take on it Link to post Share on other sites
WhatArunAA 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 didn't call a raise on the flop, called a reraise preflop... that goes to all of the others who said that in this thread as well... not saying he lost the minimum by any means because i do think his bet on the river is pretty terrible, but at least get the facts straight if you are going to critique... fwiw i hate the value bet on the river because no hands in his range are going to call you that you beat... if you really believe he has AK check/calling giving him the chance to bluff would be much more profitable in this spot as i find it hard to believe he's going to look you up that light on the end.... that said, you have played many hands with bill i'm sure, but from a naked eye, that's my take on itFold pre.. seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
Potomophobia 17 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 A question to Daniel regarding the hand in today's tournament.I would like to start by quoting from Daniel's new PokerVT site which I subscribe to.From the Course on "Small Ball", which I think is very good:(section) SMALL BALL PHILOSOPHY:Steadily increase your stack without taking significant risks.(section) LOSING THE MINIMUM:Lesson Key... The ability to get away from situations where it looks like you are in danger.Don't play the guessing game in marginal situations for large percentages of your stack.Here is probably the best advice I could ever give you when it comes to NL Hold-Em Tournament Poker: People don't bluff nearly as much as you think they do.No more quotes.My question is this:How do you justify your play in that hand with the philosophy of small ball?Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 i mean edler is a very solid player.. there's absolutely 0 chance dn's ahead preflop after that action. i think the river bet is also pretty terrible fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites
Ecclesbury 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 That bust out hand sounds exactly like the kind of play that busts me out of tournies way more often than it should. It's probably my biggest leak, overplaying JJ.I'm not going to try and second guess a player who is FAR better than me, and we have no info on the previous play at the table, or (in my case) on Bill Chen himself. It's just nice to see that it's not just me that spews his guts with JJ. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 FULL explanation coming in the blog. The hand confused me for several key reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 FULL explanation coming in the blog. The hand confused me for several key reasons.Since you're reading this thread, some dude offered to bet you 9k that you wouldn't finish in the top 30 in any WSOP event (excluding HORSE) and would put the money in your Stars account in advance.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=123553I'm curious about what your think about this bet. I couldn't get him to agree to bet it with me. Link to post Share on other sites
xmykro 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 JC Alvarado (PrtyPSux) is still in it, and has a healthy stack! Glglglg JC. Link to post Share on other sites
xmykro 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Since you're reading this thread, some dude offered to bet you 9k that you wouldn't finish in the top 30 in any WSOP event (excluding HORSE) and would put the money in your Stars account in advance.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=123553I'm curious about what your think about this bet. I couldn't get him to agree to bet it with me.Wow...Some people just don't have faith in Daniel's skills anymore. Take his money, Daniel.Edit - nevermind, it looks like he's a scammer or a troll. Only 25 posts. Don't bet with him. Link to post Share on other sites
20TN40 0 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 16 minutes ago..........GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JC!!!<H3 id=no28670>Raymer Railed</H3>After a raise of 1,000 from Noah Boeken on the button, Raymer goes all in for 5,200 and is called by JC Alvarado on the big blind. Boeken folds. Raymer shows J-9 and Alvarado turns over 9-9. The flop of 8-10-2 gives Raymer hope, but the turn and river brick out to send him home. Alvarado is up to 37,500. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Since you're reading this thread, some dude offered to bet you 9k that you wouldn't finish in the top 30 in any WSOP event (excluding HORSE) and would put the money in your Stars account in advance.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...howtopic=123553I'm curious about what your think about this bet. I couldn't get him to agree to bet it with me. Well, I don't think it's ever happened since I have been at the WSOP in 1998, but I guess there is a first time for anything! lol, ya I'd bet that dude. My record is 10-0 the past 10 years and there are more events these days. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Here are the chips counts heading into Day 2.The Top 30 will cash.Good Luck JC.Jon Turner 100200 Ariel Schneller 99500 Ron Kevin Haeri 92300 Adam Westell 82800 Justin Bonomo 73900 Jay Rosenkrantz 72500 Jason Dewitt 70100 David Williams 67000 Gavin Griffin 65800 Thomas Keller 63500 Bruce Yamron 63400 Nick Mao 62000 Maria Ho 60400 Barry Shulman 60100 Bill Chen 60000 Ted Forrest 59400 Bob Lauria 58500 David Rheem 58300 Jimmy Fricke 57600 Roland de Wolfe 57400 Mark Newhouse 56500 David Olson 52200 Raphael Zimmerman 49000 JC Alvarado 48700 Matt Sterling 47000 Matt Graham 46900 Bobby Reints 46700 Michael McKenna 46100 Andy Bloch 45200 Howard Lederer 44200 Paul Taylor 43300 Chau Giang 42900 Josh Arieh 42700 Johnny Neckar 40500 Theodore Park 39500 Andrew Black 39400 Pete de Best 38100 Stan Jablonski 37000 Millie Shiu 36500 Matt Woodward 35900 Antonio Esfandiari 35600 Patrik Antonius 35400 Berry Johnston 35000 John Biebel 34200 Stephen Wolff 33100 Benjamin Zamani 32700 Erick Cloutier 32700 Gary Benson 31700 Andrew Robl 31400 Rob Hollink 31300 Michael Craig 30800 Anna Wroblewski 30600 David Grey 29100 Robert Williamson 29000 Isaac Haxton 28200 Lee Markholt 26800 Michael Rosenthal 23700 John Pires 23000 Qinghai Pan 21400 Marcel Luske 21200 Al Adler 20700 Thierry van den Berg 20500 Hasan Habib 20100 Joseph Michael 20100 Danny Wong 20000 Jordan Smith 20000 Michael Binger 19800 Joe Patrick 19600 Pat Pezzin 18500 Markus Lehmann 18000 George Abdallah 17900 Phil Laak 17800 Jeff Shulman 17600 Hoyt Corkins 17300 Andrew Rosskamm 17100 Alex Kravchenko 17000 David Benyamine 16000 Gavriel Pinhasov 15700 Phil Tom 15100 Matt Vengrin 15000 John Hoppmann 13400 Bill Klein 13200 Jose Tavares 12100 Mori Eskandani 11000 Eugene Katchalov 10500 Noah Boeken 10500 Ian Johns 9600 Erick Lindgren 8400 Tad Jurgens 8000 Ralph Perry 2700 Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 JC updates?? Link to post Share on other sites
jdrury12 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 WSOP site has him at 49,800 at break. WAR JC Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Go Ted please I'm shooting 2 for 2 Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Got word from Jeff that JC and Stein are on the money bubble right now, both with about average chips...GL! Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Got word from Jeff that JC and Stein are on the money bubble right now, both with about average chips...GL!Would love to see both of those guys do well. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Word is JC's out but did cash...stein still in. Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Stop and go gone wrong maybe?? GG JC!!!JC Alvarado Eliminated in 28th ($10,922)JC Alvarado and Ariel Schneller got it all in on a flop of {A-Diamonds}{8-Diamonds}{K-Hearts}. Alvarado had {Q-Spades}{4-Spades} and Schneller had {A-Hearts}{5-Spades}. The turn and river were {9-Clubs}{J-Hearts} and Alvarado is out. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 gg Jc good start to the long monnth ahead . Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Word is JC's out but did cash...stein still in.which one is the stein? Link to post Share on other sites
bull62 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 which one is the stein?Benjamin Zamani. I think he's out now too though. Link to post Share on other sites
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