RabidTortuga 0 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm about done with a short novel, "The Shack" by William P. Young. I picked it up off the staff recommendations shelf at Barnes and Noble, intrigued by the back cover. What I've found is not at all what I expected. It's a bit more preachy than I care for, but the more I've read, the more the book has struck a chord with me. There are some interesting bits regarding the Holy Trinity of Christianity, and the message behind Christianity, that make a great deal of sense, and yet remain almost completely divorced from the church doctrine I was raised on.I'm not a religious person, though i do believe in a god, and I was raised in an Irish Roman Catholic family, parish, and schools. For someone like me, who lost faith in organized religion a long time ago, the book has made me long for my faith in God and Jesus without all the man-made church doctrine that I'm so disenchanted with.Funny, a Jesuit brother in sophmore year religion told me not to blindly accept, but to question and reason, and that led to my disillusion with the church. This book is the first thing that's made me want to find my faith since. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm about done with a short novel, "The Shack" by William P. Young. I picked it up off the staff recommendations shelf at Barnes and Noble, intrigued by the back cover. What I've found is not at all what I expected. It's a bit more preachy than I care for, but the more I've read, the more the book has struck a chord with me. There are some interesting bits regarding the Holy Trinity of Christianity, and the message behind Christianity, that make a great deal of sense, and yet remain almost completely divorced from the church doctrine I was raised on.I'm not a religious person, though i do believe in a god, and I was raised in an Irish Roman Catholic family, parish, and schools. For someone like me, who lost faith in organized religion a long time ago, the book has made me long for my faith in God and Jesus without all the man-made church doctrine that I'm so disenchanted with.Funny, a Jesuit brother in sophmore year religion told me not to blindly accept, but to question and reason, and that led to my disillusion with the church. This book is the first thing that's made me want to find my faith since.That's good. Most church doctrines are totally made up and have nothing to do with the Bible at all. My only advice is to RUN away from this religion forum. Don't post here again, don't read any posts after this one. Especially ones from the following people:CrowTRobotKramitDaToadSolderzBigMcGeeor about 3 other people that are going to post soon and try to convince you that belief in God is stupid. Don't argue. Just run. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 That's good. Most church doctrines are totally made up and have nothing to do with the Bible at all. My only advice is to RUN away from this religion forum. Don't post here again, don't read any posts after this one. Especially ones from the following people:CrowTRobotKramitDaToadSolderzBigMcGeeor about 3 other people that are going to post soon and try to convince you that belief in God is stupid. Don't argue. Just run.LOL....refer back to my analogy of a NY Giants fan hanging out in the New England Patriots forum spending more time saying "Your team sucks!" rather than hanging out in the Giants forum saying "We are really cool".Anyhooo.. religion and church are 2 separate entities IMO. There are many Christian churches I don't agree with. It's good that you found something that peaks your interest again. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 LOL....refer back to my analogy of a NY Giants fan hanging out in the New England Patriots forum spending more time saying "Your team sucks!" rather than hanging out in the Giants forum saying "We are really cool".Yeah, I've been meaning to spend more time in our Atheist Forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 don't believe in god!!! it's stupid!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I forgot to add Shakezuma to my list of haters.... Link to post Share on other sites
Sal Paradise 57 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I forgot to add Shakezuma to my list of haters....who the hell is that? he sounds like a grade A moron! Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 LOL....refer back to my analogy of a NY Giants fan hanging out in the New England Patriots forum spending more time saying "Your team sucks!" rather than hanging out in the Giants forum saying "We are really cool".and you should refer back to where i pointed out (the obvious) that this is not a christian "team" forum. your analogy is moronic. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,354 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 That's good. Most church doctrines are totally made up and have nothing to do with the Bible at all. My only advice is to RUN away from this religion forum. Don't post here again, don't read any posts after this one. Especially ones from the following people:CrowTRobotKramitDaToadSolderzBigMcGeeor about 3 other people that are going to post soon and try to convince you that belief in God is stupid. Don't argue. Just run.yeah, stick you're head deep in the sand, it works for bravehrt, it should work well for you too. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,354 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 and you should refer back to where i pointed out (the obvious) that this is not a christian "team" forum. your analogy is moronic.hollywood makes a moronic point, that's rather shocking to me. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 That's good. Most church doctrines are totally made up and have nothing to do with the Bible at all.most christian church doctrines are based on "interpretations" of the canon. they may have nothing to do with what you personally think is a proper interpretation, but that's a different argument. saying most are totally made up is silly.My only advice is to RUN away from this religion forum. Don't post here again, don't read any posts after this one. Especially ones from the following people:CrowTRobotKramitDaToadSolderzBigMcGeeor about 3 other people that are going to post soon and try to convince you that belief in God is stupid. Don't argue. Just run.you sound like a cult leader trying to shelter your flock.i don't think anyone here has ever made the generalization that "belief in god is stupid". belief in the specific literal existence of god as described in the bible (or any other ancient literature or tradition) requires a high level of ignorance and/or delusion of course, but i'm not assuming that's necessarily the case here. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 yeah, stick you're head deep in the sand, it works for bravehrt, it should work well for you too.This is extremely unfair. I've never backed away from an argument on this site, and of all the Christians that post on this site, I am the only one that consistently debates in a cool headed, never insulting tone. I accept your apology.most christian church doctrines are based on "interpretations" of the canon. they may have nothing to do with what you personally think is a proper interpretation, but that's a different argument. saying most are totally made up is silly.This is incorrect, but only because my post was vague. Things like Mary being equal with God, or wine and bread actually turning into the body and blood of Jesus are unBiblical. Lois and I could make a list of several hundred items that are based on nothing but some guys imagination. (I understand the irony of this sentence if you think the whole Bible is made up)you sound like a cult leader trying to shelter your flock.yes, I probably do. But I'll risk the blow-back.i don't think anyone here has ever made the generalization that "belief in god is stupid". belief in the specific literal existence of god as described in the bible (or any other ancient literature or tradition) requires a high level of ignorance.no. The only ignorance is to assume that something isn't true because it can't be proven. Is alien life real? If I say, "nope!"..... that's ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 no. The only ignorance is to assume that something isn't true because it can't be proven.you just invalidated most of human knowledge. good job! obviously it is not ignorance to draw conclusions about the probability of a claim being true or not based on evidence. generally speaking that is how sane humans judge empirical claims - they do not judge them in terms of whether they can be absolutely proven or disproven. the latter notion is just an excuse theists use to validate their belief.Is alien life real? If I say, "nope!"..... that's ignorance.the example of alien life equates roughly to "god" only in the sense of a generic non-intervening creator. both are hidden - there is currently no practical way to refute or prove either because there isn't anything resembling difinitive evidence available to humans.however the claim that the bible is literal truth is completely different. that absolutely is a matter of evidence that is currently accessible to humans. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 On-topic, the book is quite good. It shows an excellent picture of what loving relationships should look like. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 and you should refer back to where i pointed out (the obvious) that this is not a christian "team" forum. your analogy is moronic.Wrong ... As usual. Analogy is balls on accurate. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Wrong ... As usual. Analogy is balls on accurate.not really. religion is an extremely broad term encompassing many faiths.....posting here is like posting in the football forum not a specific team's thread. basically, you have decided that the religion forum is really the christian forum which is not only hilariously stupid and amazingly self-centered but also incredibly disrespectful to any muslims, jews, hindus, etc. who (rightly!) see this as a place to come discuss anything and everything to do with all religions.jeez, i may disagree with lois and brvheart but at least they bring something to the table when you debate things with them. you are a waste of forum space. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 not really. religion is an extremely broad term encompassing many faiths.....posting here is like posting in the football forum not a specific team's thread. basically, you have decided that the religion forum is really the christian forum which is not only hilariously stupid and amazingly self-centered but also incredibly disrespectful to any muslims, jews, hindus, etc. who (rightly!) see this as a place to come discuss anything and everything to do with all religions.jeez, i may disagree with lois and brvheart but at least they bring something to the table when you debate things with them. you are a waste of forum space.100% wrong. I haven't decided anything. You, my friend, decided what you think I think about this forum. Those who come on here and poke 6th grade fun at Christians have NO religion. They aren't muslims, jews or hindus. They aren't truly atheist. They are the ones that will complain about the way the government runs things and put on their anarchy T-shirts but they're the first to use the services when they benefit them. I never said this was a Christian forum. If "they" made a thread and wanted to discuss the pros and cons of being without a God... I would never go on there and call their views "moronic" and gang up on them like the 3 kids who never got picked for the sandlot team. Knock yourself out...I could care less.For you to declare me a "waste of forum space" makes no sense. I'm not going to attack you back. I stopped giving any attention to Big D a long time ago when I realized what he's all about. Just don't be kidding yourself that "they" care anything about calmly discussing ANY religious idea. If you have a different view...the move is to call you a "sheep" and/or a moron. Lame.I will alter my analogy to say they don't even like football at all. They think it's a stupid game and a waste of time. But they enjoy going onto football sites and telling people how dumb the game is..... not how cool their game is.BINGO! ouch....stings! lol Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Alright, so two things never to discuss at the dinner table poker site : religion and behavior on the religion forums. Back to strat and general I go.Thanks for those who responed on topic. Link to post Share on other sites
theresa113 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Alright, so two things never to discuss at the dinner table poker site : religion and behavior on the religion forums. Back to strat and general I go.Thanks for those who responed on topic.Hey Rabid,I have not read the book that you are referring to but I think it is cool that you are doing some self exploration in your faith. A couple of years ago I made a thread about growing up Catholic and I did not get one response that I was hoping for... and that was from both camps. I think few talk about being raised in a faith that doesn't completely click but at the same time, holds a large foundation to what you feel in your heart. Keep reading, keep exploring, the answers and your truth is there, regardless what others think.T Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hey Rabid,I have not read the book that you are referring to but I think it is cool that you are doing some self exploration in your faith. A couple of years ago I made a thread about growing up Catholic and I did not get one response that I was hoping for... and that was from both camps. I think few talk about being raised in a faith that doesn't completely click but at the same time, holds a large foundation to what you feel in your heart. Keep reading, keep exploring, the answers and your truth is there, regardless what others think.THey T.... expand please. Grew up Catholic and then what? I was raised Southern Baptist....THEN converted to Catholic. (Imagine my granddad rolling over in his grave on that one) Are ya still Catholic? Link to post Share on other sites
theresa113 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hey T.... expand please. Grew up Catholic and then what? I was raised Southern Baptist....THEN converted to Catholic. (Imagine my granddad rolling over in his grave on that one) Are ya still Catholic?I don't really go into much depth with anyone on my personal beliefs. I do not consider myself Catholic nor do I consider myself non-Catholic.I took the core principles that I got from my years growing up in the Church which is: Love God, Love God's children, Love Your Self and that God Is Love and God forgives. I took the things that I felt were universal and went from there. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I don't really go into much depth with anyone on my personal beliefs. I do not consider myself Catholic nor do I consider myself non-Catholic.I took the core principles that I got from my years growing up in the Church which is: Love God, Love God's children, Love Your Self and that God Is Love and God forgives. I took the things that I felt were universal and went from there.Very nice.... good principles. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hey Rabid,I have not read the book that you are referring to but I think it is cool that you are doing some self exploration in your faith. A couple of years ago I made a thread about growing up Catholic and I did not get one response that I was hoping for... and that was from both camps. I think few talk about being raised in a faith that doesn't completely click but at the same time, holds a large foundation to what you feel in your heart. Keep reading, keep exploring, the answers and your truth is there, regardless what others think.T Why would you already have pre-decided notions about what people should be posting and then be unhappy when it doesn't go your way? Whats the point in trying to get the thoughts you already have? I vaguely remember that thread, did you really feel you were somehow slighted because people didn't answer what you thought they should? A discussion can take on many angles and many directions and can ultimately be unprofitable for some and profitable for others but it should never be because people didn't say what you thought they should or would, that would be a little controlling, don't you think? Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 100% wrong. I haven't decided anything. You, my friend, decided what you think I think about this forum. Those who come on here and poke 6th grade fun at Christians have NO religion. They aren't muslims, jews or hindus. They aren't truly atheist.People who aren't religious can't have an opinion on religion that they would like to share in a religion forum? That's like saying I can't post in the poker forums because I don't play cards anymore. Trust me, I'm still a better poker player than a lot of people sharing their "insights" on strategy. Just like the fact that I'm not religious anymore but I'm a hell of a lot more useful in this forum than you are. Ya know? Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Also, for the record, it seems like lately the Christians like to claim that non-believers say nothing but "God is fake and you're stupid for believing in Him!"That's really pretty far from the truth. We tend to say things like "you're wrong about this because of that", and because you guys can't come back with anything other than blind faith you start ranting about us being jerks and nonsense about science being just as faith-based as religion. It's funny that you can't see you're the ones who get all riled up, not us. Although I guess I can see how you all would be frustrated by what goes on here. Link to post Share on other sites
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