Hu Sng, Rivered 2pr

[LJB723 0]

CryptologicNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $7/$152 playersConverterStack sizes:SB: $1328Hero: $1672Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with 2 J SB calls, Hero checks.Flop: 3 4 J ($30, 2 players)Hero bets $15, SB calls.Turn: Q ($60, 2 players)Hero bets $30, SB calls.River: 2 ($120, 2 players)Hero bets $120, SB raises to $670, Hero raises all-in $1612, We good with this? I was hoping to induce a call from a slowplayed AJ,KJ. I think he saw me as a bit of a bet monkey, but he'd never called me down. This was his first raise, so I decided to show him his insolence would not be tolerated.

[OhKeePa 0]

no way he has 5 - 6 of clubs?

[Poker Addict 0]

You have two pair on the river and he has shown no aggression. I think you are good here most of the time. But there are some draws out there that he could have hit. I prefer calling his raise and see what he was playing that way. It could be slow played AJ, but that's pretty unlikely in most cases. He would normally raise preflop and probably want to protect it on the flop because it is vulnerable to a couple of overs.The only hands I see you beating are a bluff, AJ, KJ, TJ, KQ played this way. So I call his raise and see what has because you are not pushing him off of a stronger hand.

[jmbreslin 0]

That river raise is unusually large for a hand that beats Hero. Surely if he's playing a set or made straight or better 2P here he would raise smaller on the river to entice a call. The fact that he's making such a huge raise in itself makes it look like he's just trying to push you off the pot. Unless that's what he wants you to think...

[ramblin67RS 0]

Lot of questions here...Was he trying to limp every hand from the button? Thus is his range every piece of garbage possible? FRom my exerience...it is rare that a player at the $10 is range shifting gears...So at a minimum you will see better than top pair here......anything from worse two pair to better (Q4)and the 56o. Hands you beat:34 24, QT+ and the bluffHands you lose to QJ, Q4,Q3, Q2, J4, J3, J2, 56, A5 sorry my poker stove is not working properly....need reinstall but, equity looks unfavorable for a push. You will never fold out a better hand. Thus the thing to ask here is what does a shove acomplish:1. Make a better hand fold? doubt it2. Get value from a lesser hand. Yes but odds do nto favor a worse hand.3. Send a message not to bluff raise you? If he is monkeying around this does send a strong message but, You can usually find a spot to do it without risking al of your chips.I think only #2 supports a shove and if he does have a lesser hand this match should be easy to win by picking at his stack. I would not re-raise....but let me guess he was slow playing Aces?

[ramblin67RS 0]

That river raise is unusually large for a hand that beats Hero. Surely if he's playing a set or made straight or better 2P here he would raise smaller on the river to entice a call. The fact that he's making such a huge raise in itself makes it look like he's just trying to push you off the pot. Unless that's what he wants you to think...

Isnt it very close to the pot? THus not too large.....In any manner I advocate just calling.....if you win you cripple him pretty bad and if you lose you still have approx $1000.

[ramblin67RS 0]

That river raise is unusually large for a hand that beats Hero. Surely if he's playing a set or made straight or better 2P here he would raise smaller on the river to entice a call. The fact that he's making such a huge raise in itself makes it look like he's just trying to push you off the pot. Unless that's what he wants you to think...

Isnt it very close to the pot? THus not too large.....In any manner I advocate just calling.....if you win you cripple him pretty bad and if you lose you still have approx $1000.

[Sheiky 0]

I think the debate is between calling and folding rather than raising or calling

[Poker Addict 0]

I think the debate is between calling and folding rather than raising or calling

Have to disagree here. Hero reraised/shoved. So I think the debate is between folding, calling and shoving.I say call

[jmbreslin 0]

Isnt it very close to the pot? THus not too large.....In any manner I advocate just calling.....if you win you cripple him pretty bad and if you lose you still have approx $1000.

The pot is 240 and he raises to 670, which is a raise of about twice the pot.*Edit: Sorry, forgot to include the initial 120 call. You're right, his raise is just under pot - but for some reason it looks much larger.

[KoRnholio 2]

I think the debate is between calling and folding rather than raising or calling

Agreed. I flat call river. That overbet raise pretty much means the nuts (ie, straight, maybe a set) or nothing. Pushing gets the former to call and the latter to fold. Neither of those outcomes is good.

[HighwayStar 8]

Other than maybe betting pot on the flop (what I do in that spot HU) IPITS.Shows up with air quite a bit since your hand is well conceleald.Often a raggedy jack/queen too

[Sheiky 0]

Have to disagree here. Hero reraised/shoved. So I think the debate is between folding, calling and shoving.

That makes no sense?

[Poker Addict 0]

That makes no sense?

Seriously?This is from OP"Hero bets $120, SB raises to $670, Hero raises all-in $1612,We good with this?"He is asking if we are good with his shove. But you say "I think the debate is between calling and folding rather than raising or calling"OP is clearly asking if everyone is okay with his shove. Most are saying that it is either a call or fold.Did I miss something? Or were you responding to the people in the thread other then the OP?

[LJB723 0]

Lot of questions here...Was he trying to limp every hand from the button? Thus is his range every piece of garbage possible? FRom my exerience...it is rare that a player at the $10 is range shifting gears...So at a minimum you will see better than top pair here......anything from worse two pair to better (Q4)and the 56o. I would not re-raise....but let me guess he was slow playing Aces?

It was still early doors. He limped/open folded his button. I think he might have raised once, but I had trash. He was uber-passive preflop. I think it was still too early to get a decent read. But I was definately the aggressor.So I'm seeing from the responses that my shove pretty much sucked. I suppose I was being a cocky sob, I was 4-0 in sngs at this point during the day, a crap number but my ego is easily satisfied.If villain was slow-playing AA I'll never know, he folded. I went on to run over him and go 5-0. Finished 12-2 overall.