Aq Facing Minraise In Front

[jmbreslin 0]

Earlyish in $3.40 STT turbo.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO (t2245)Hero (t1575)SB (t3285)BB (t795)UTG (t1915)MP (t5185)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q. 2 folds, CO raises to t200, Hero???No specific info on villain but another player at the table just pulled an AA minraise on the previous hand, if that's at all relevant. With 15BB and the minraise in front, reraising here can be a bit awkward. What do you do here?

[throwemaway 0]

I just don't see how there can be another play besides shoving in a turbo..The blinds just move up too fast and I would assume his range in the CO is pretty wide

[copernicus 0]

I would just call, but only because we think everyone plays like us. In the CO I would minraise with a monster here, because of the BBs stack. the minraise may induce a call from a bigger stack and then a push from the BB. Raise too much and BB cant make a complete raise, so no reraise.If it does go that way and villain re-raises BBs push, get out. Otherwise use your position with the AQ.

[throwemaway 0]

I would just call, but only because we think everyone plays like us. In the CO I would minraise with a monster here, because of the BBs stack. the minraise may induce a call from a bigger stack and then a push from the BB. Raise too much and BB cant make a complete raise, so no reraise.If it does go that way and villain re-raises BBs push, get out. Otherwise use your position with the AQ.

How do you suggest using our position when were getting c/ bet the majority of the time and missing 2/3 of the time? I dunno, it just seems spewy to flat here but maybe I go into push/fold too quickly..I don't think theres enough post flop play in turbos to flat here

[copernicus 0]

How do you suggest using our position when were getting c/ bet the majority of the time and missing 2/3 of the time? I dunno, it just seems spewy to flat here but maybe I go into push/fold too quickly..I don't think theres enough post flop play in turbos to flat here

?? Knowing he's likely to Cbet IS using position. We've underrepped the hand, which gives us a lot of options when he cbets and we hit. Im folding 2/3 of the time, because we are probably behind if we dont hit.

[throwemaway 0]

?? Knowing he's likely to Cbet IS using position. We've underrepped the hand, which gives us a lot of options when he cbets and we hit. Im folding 2/3 of the time, because we are probably behind if we dont hit.

Really? I disagree w/ that, like big time

[jmbreslin 0]

I find it hard to put players on ranges in this situation because minraises here can mean so many different things. It could be the monster trap minraise, or it could be the "I'm not too confident in my hand" minraise with something like KQ or A9.The thing I don't like about flatting here is that it makes it that much more tempting for one or both of the blinds to come along for the ride, especially the SB with a 3200 chip stack.I wavered between pushing and folding. I was concerned about being behind a big pair or AK but also worried that I was passing up a key opportunity in a turbo. Cop, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by using your position when you're planning to fold to a CB if you miss on the flop...

[copernicus 0]

Cop, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by using your position when you're planning to fold to a CB if you miss on the flop...

The OOP player doesnt know youre folding if you dont hit, he doesnt know if you hit or not. Any cbet is potentially committing with these stacks, so a cbet isnt as automatic as its being made out here. If you were OOP with the AQ and miss, a cbet is potentially committing to you...you are the one under pressure to make a decision.

[jmbreslin 0]

I don't think a CB is committing to him at all. If I flat call, and assuming neither of the blinds come along, we're looking at a pot of 550 and he'll have 2000 behind on the flop. He could easily make a pot-sized CB on the flop and fold to a raise or back down on the turn. It would definitely be more committing to me with only 1300ish chips left.Are you not at all concerned about the blinds when flat-calling here?

[Aces Rule 0]

No specific info on villain but another player at the table just pulled an AA minraise on the previous hand, if that's at all relevant. With 15BB and the minraise in front, reraising here can be a bit awkward. What do you do here?

With little or no info on the CO, I play his min-raise as weakish - mid pp, KQ or KJ something like that but remain cautious of a AA/KK trap. With only 15BB or 10 M I'm looking to dbl up and quick so do not pass up a good hand like AQ - folding is not a consideration at this time! While I would prefer a HU with CO, the min raise is a red flag so I'm more tempted to flat call and see if BB will flush him out with a re-r but antoher flat call would be fine as I'm still playing cautious on the flop and I do have position. Throwemaway brings up an important consideration in that Turbos are so fast they more resemble a crapshot than anything resembling real poker skills - main reason I don't play them. If you get behind (even a bit) in a Turbo your playing shortstack poker and with a field this small it's lighting fast. You don't have time to look for a better hand than AQ so I understand the push mentality here with only 15BB and the reason so many bigger and monster hands will trap with shorties behind them - there is a very good chance one of them will push with marginal hands at any sign of weakness such as a min-preflop raise and a flat call or vs limpers.

[copernicus 0]

I don't think a CB is committing to him at all. If I flat call, and assuming neither of the blinds come along, we're looking at a pot of 550 and he'll have 2000 behind on the flop. He could easily make a pot-sized CB on the flop and fold to a raise or back down on the turn. It would definitely be more committing to me with only 1300ish chips left.Are you not at all concerned about the blinds when flat-calling here?

"committing" refers to the effective stack, in this case hero's, at least in the books Ive read. The bigger stack is still committing to get it all in for the amount of the effective stack on an earlier street, which limits the play on later streets.I think the blinds are less of a risk than running into a big hand from the min-raiser. The biggest risk is that SB pushes, min-raiser re-pushes and you have to fold, but thats still not as bad committing more chips up front.

[jmbreslin 0]

"committing" refers to the effective stack, in this case hero's, at least in the books Ive read. The bigger stack is still committing to get it all in for the amount of the effective stack on an earlier street, which limits the play on later streets.

Hmm, I've never heard it used that way before. I've only heard it used in the sense of being pot-committed, which is typically defined as putting more than 1/2 your stack into the pot. Are you saying that a CB would be committing for him because it would most likely commit me to the pot, and therefore him as well (assuming he doesn't want to bet/fold)?

[AimHigher 0]

I find it hard to put players on ranges in this situation because minraises here can mean so many different things. It could be the monster trap minraise, or it could be the "I'm not too confident in my hand" minraise with something like KQ or A9.

A lot of the time at this level it just means, "I'm a passive player and I don't know how to get value for my good hands preflop." If you make a mental note any time you see a player min raising preflop then it makes it easier to figure out his range later on if you see him doing it again.Also PT is hella helpful interpreting these raises and it's free. Obviously a guy running at 30/0/0.5/100 minraising is different than a guy running at 30/10/0.5/100 minraising.

[Aces Rule 0]

Hmm, I've never heard it used that way before. I've only heard it used in the sense of being pot-committed, which is typically defined as putting more than 1/2 your stack into the pot. Are you saying that a CB would be committing for him because it would most likely commit me to the pot, and therefore him as well (assuming he doesn't want to bet/fold)?

Betting in relation to stacks is always dependanton the shorter stack. For example you in the SB have a stack of 25,000 and the BB has a stack of only 4,000 with blinds at 300-600. If you come in for a standard pf raise of 1800 you have made a bet that pot commits the BB b/c he cannot just call and leave only 2200 for the flop/turn/river. You are forcing him to all-in or fold. When placing a bet in relation to stacks you have always be aware that the shorter stack will determine whether a bet "pot commits" or not!

[AimHigher 0]

I just noticed the size of the BB's stack, I think that is definitely a clue that the CO is strong. I think most of the time this is a value raise and he wants action. I'd wager he at least has a hand that he's willing to call a shove with.I do prefer to flat it here. Folding seems a bit nitty and raising is going to price us in to calling if he shoves or make us pot committed going to the flop. We still have 15 BBs so we're not quite desperate enough to shove this yet.Just flat it and re-evaluate on the flop.

[copernicus 0]

Are you saying that a CB would be committing for him because it would most likely commit me to the pot, and therefore him as well (assuming he doesn't want to bet/fold)?

Yes. Any excess chips he has over your stack are meaningless with regard to the implied odds in this hand, which in most cases determines the right play. Obv there are circumstances where say he has a huge chip lead and he can afford a -EV situation just to knock you out, but those are rare.Ace's reply explains further.

[jmbreslin 0]

Also PT is hella helpful interpreting these raises and it's free.

PT is free?

[Sheiky 0]

Re-raise-call/shove.You're far far far too ahead to call, and i think flatting in a turbo where you have very little room to make moves PF with these stack sizes isn't very good.

[mclark340 0]

Re-raise...if he shoves, fold...if he calls, you have narrowed his hands.

[Sheiky 0]

Re-raise...if he shoves, fold...if he calls, you have narrowed his hands.

You can't raise fold here, you just can't, ever.

[jmbreslin 0]

You guys are killing me, we have some votes for flatting and some for reraising/pushing. At least it confirms that this wasn't an obvious decision.

[mclark340 0]

You can't raise fold here, you just can't, ever.

I guess I need more info on the min raise guy. Here are the issues:1. Is he likely to continuation bet...and if so, how strong?2. Has he been tight or loose?3. Will the blinds likely call?4. What is my image? This one is tricky...if I have a tight image and raise and get shoved, then I am against a monster.I do NOT want a three way pot with me AIPF. A raise here should get rid of any medium hands. If I was the BB and only one other person in the pot, I shove.

[Sheiky 0]

The only bit of info you could have that would make raise/folding AQ in this spot a good play is that the only hand he ever 4-bets is AA.That's a virtualy impossibility, so raise folding is still really awful.