Merby 3 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Thoughts?This hand plays much easier if I fold preflop. My play could not be more passive: cold-calling a pot bet+min raise on flop, then folding turn.MP had been playing so passively that I was thinking "***DANGER***" when he min-raised. I felt there was enough money behind that I could peel one card.Does anyone choose to fold the flop? A 3-bet looks really bad to me here, but does someone prefer that option?Anyone go with it on the turn? PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero ($54.85)SB ($21.90)BB ($10.40)UTG ($41.05) <--- (91/25.9/1.5) Stacks off lightMP ($26.90) <--- (85.4/6.5/1.75)CO ($3.30)Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 3, J, 4. UTG raises to $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, 1 fold, BB calls $0.60.Flop: ($3.50) T, 8, J(4 players)BB checks, UTG bets $3.35, MP raises to $6.7, Hero calls $6.70, BB folds, UTG calls $3.35.Turn: ($23.60) 4(3 players)UTG checks, MP bets $19.35 (All-In), Hero folds Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Calling with the intention of folding a blank turn is really bad as you only have 7 outs on the flop and are getting much worse odds there than you will be on the turn push.You need to decide just how donkish these players are. If you think they're stupid and splashy and could have something like two pair from one guy and a wrap from the other, then you can call down to try to keep both of them in. If you're really convinced that MP has the straight though, you should just fold the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I think I would fold the flop. You are likely against a straight here and it's costing you too much to see the turn. As you said folding preflop is better. Link to post Share on other sites
Metternich 0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 Fold the flop, its going in on the turn for sure and I'm fairly certain that 3-1 isn't enough to mine for a boat (or if it is it isn't that profitiable) Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted April 17, 2008 Share Posted April 17, 2008 I don't mind seeing flop on the button with this hand.I mind calling flop. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted April 18, 2008 Share Posted April 18, 2008 Oh BTW, you definitely don't want to fold preflop here OTB against two uber-donks. Link to post Share on other sites
Merby 3 Posted April 18, 2008 Author Share Posted April 18, 2008 I'm glad to hear this advice.UTG called and MP showed down nut straight as expected (UTG called with naked aces, no draw... *drools*)Next time I will trust my gut and fold flop.Perhaps it's spew calls like this that explain my 3-day downswing... Link to post Share on other sites
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