What Would You Do?

[WhatArunAA 0]

Ok, So I was just heads up in one of the Big Double tourneys on FTP... the guy had me 2-1... and was kinda a dick saying things like "next time you shove I call" etc etc.. He disconnects with 2-1 chip lead.. what do I do??? His disconnect timer went down after like a minute.. am I supposed to wait for him?? What if he wont be back for hours and I have things I could be doing( video games, youporn, etc) I guess i'm not sure what the proper ettiquette is for this because its never happened to me heads up in a tourney before.

[Napa_Don 688]

"I break my f'n mouse blinding him off" - SpademanHe should have a good connection if he's going to be playing. If you feel bad about it afterwards you can always try to contact him and send him some money.

[El Guapo 8]

Ok, So I was just heads up in one of the Big Double tourneys on FTP... the guy had me 2-1... and was kinda a dick saying things like "next time you shove I call" etc etc.. He disconnects with 2-1 chip lead.. what do I do??? His disconnect timer went down after like a minute.. am I supposed to wait for him?? What if he wont be back for hours and I have things I could be doing( video games, youporn, etc) I guess i'm not sure what the proper ettiquette is for this because its never happened to me heads up in a tourney before.

Depends. How much was it for?

[FARGOpokerND 22]

I think you have two choices. (HYPOTHETICALLY)1. E-mail support and hope (PRAY since its FTP support) that one comes and pauses the tourney for a set amount of time (up to your discretion) and if he doesn't come back, then continue.2. Take all his chips.Number 1 is if you have a soul and are fair.Number 2 is if you want to win.I am soul-less...so I choose #2

[troyomac 0]

Pretty classless of you to not wait a reasonable amount of time.

[bdc30 0]

Number 2 is if you want to win.I am soul-less...so I choose #2

What do you think he would do in the same situation???#2 obv

[wsox8 10]

If you don't end up waiting, I would consider sending him a portion of the first place money so you'd both get the same amount.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

waiting is a nice thing to do, but it is also incredibly -EV, and not even from a "how much of his stack can you steal before he gets back" point of view. you have no idea how long it will take him to get back, and with the rapid tournament structure, you're losing play through inaction.i think in a situation like this, you have to watch out for your well-being first and foremost.

[silkyjonson 1]

Problem is like 90% of people would blind you down and it's happened to me, so I guess you could say it evens out.

[TonyDanza 0]

Ok, So I was just heads up in one of the Big Double tourneys on FTP... the guy had me 2-1... and was kinda a dick saying things like "next time you shove I call" etc etc.. He disconnects with 2-1 chip lead.. what do I do??? His disconnect timer went down after like a minute.. am I supposed to wait for him?? What if he wont be back for hours and I have things I could be doing( video games, youporn, etc) I guess i'm not sure what the proper ettiquette is for this because its never happened to me heads up in a tourney before.

there's etiquette involved when someones welfare internet becomes a factor in online gambling? dont ****in think so, pal. Click raise, raise raise raise.. even when the button isnt there.

[vbnautilus 48]

Similar situation was discussed on 2p2 a couple months ago.. Ike (Isaac Haxton) was in a hand with some guy who disconnected on a big pot on the river, so he min-bet and took it down for 15K. He defended the move:

I'm standing by what I did. Look at this thread. About half the people who actually play these stakes and posted in the thread say its totally standard and I'm sure that if it came down to the heat of the moment a few more would change their mind about whether or not they wanted to take the free 15k. Though I honestly expected it would be more like 80%. That means that if I'm not doing this I'm giving money away relative to about half my opponents.edit: another argument for minbetting being the only reasonable thing to do here: if we decide that i'm not allowed to minbet here with a hand i would have otherwise checked back, the situation gets phenomenally complicated in other spots. if i was planning to bluff shove the river do i now have to give up? if someone disconnects before the river do you have to check it down? while its frustrating to lose a pot this way, it happens to everyone more or less equally often (unless you have a ****ty internet connection, which is your problem if you do). if the expectation is that everyone just minbets and takes it down then its fair and simple. if the expectation is something else its complicated and the nicer guy is giving away money.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=141593

[zander24 0]

1. load up youporn2. spank the monkey3. if hes not back by the time youve finished (aprox 15seconds) raise raise raise4. .....5. PROFIT

[AAsnake88 0]

Sit out and give him 10 minutes to come back.If he doesn't come up with a connection or plan B by then just start blinding him out.I believe in giving a fair shot whether they are a dick or not, but they need to be able to come up with a pinch hitter if their internet goes down. Tought shit if they don't.edit: I see that some would blind down the opponent just because they think the opponent would do the same to them....maybe so, but I still gotta look at myself in the mirror the next day. There is taking an edge vs just taking advantage. I'd rather take the higher road.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

Similar situation was discussed on 2p2 a couple months ago.. Ike (Isaac Haxton) was in a hand with some guy who disconnected on a big pot on the river, so he min-bet and took it down for 15K. He defended the move:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=141593

i have read that, and i think it applies to how you should treat a disconnect, but i think the tournament structure definitely adds a sense of urgency to the matter, as the ike hand was in HU cash.

[mase_gotsem 0]

after being in this situation b4 i waited and waited sitting out blinds got too high then finally guy returns and i d/c imediatly he blinds me off b4 i get back . good guys finish last wait a few mins then check auto muck and click that faster than you .. while watching your youporn.i played a HU tourny for the first time few weeks/mnth ago and i blinded a guy down 300 chips he came back and i felt bad so i folded until we were even again im too nice to strangers sometimes especially online for some reason . im really an asshoile in person tho :unsure:10 mins is too long imo 5 is plenty no need in blinds getting too high and him coming back and luckboxing a win

[Dapper Dan G 0]

Sit out and give him 10 minutes to come back.If he doesn't come up with a connection or plan B by then just start blinding him out.I believe in giving a fair shot whether they are a dick or not, but they need to be able to come up with a pinch hitter if their internet goes down. Tought shit if they don't.

do you realize how much equity you're sacrificing by allowing the blinds to increase with keeping your stack size static? unless FTP support is there to pause the tournament, i'm not stopping.

[mase_gotsem 0]

oh and obv brag post op .lol jusplayin

[vbnautilus 48]

do you realize how much equity you're sacrificing by allowing the blinds to increase with keeping your stack size static? unless FTP support is there to pause the tournament, i'm not stopping.

Yeah I think this point makes it really clear you have to play. If you don't, his internet problems become a disadvantage for you. I usually slow down a bit, but I'm certainly not wasting a second of my time bank on him...

[AAsnake88 0]

do you realize how much equity you're sacrificing by allowing the blinds to increase with keeping your stack size static? unless FTP support is there to pause the tournament, i'm not stopping.

yes I do, see my edit. My personal ethics are not dictated by mathmatics.

[GWCGWC 83]

I don't think you have an ethical responsibility to wait some arbitrary time to go ahead and take his blinds. I've been blinded down and I've blinded down others due to disconnects. Unfortunately it's a part of online poker and a risk every player faces.If you're playing the 5K's where the player pool is so small that you'll repeatedly be playing the same players then maybe, mayyyyyyyyybe you should wait a couple minutes and hope this player would give you the same consideration if it happens the situation is reversed in the future.

[Poker Addict 0]

I completely agree with DDG... for one, there is no way FTP support will be there to pause the game. And, it really is not fair to you to allow the blinds to go up while your stack remains the same. I feel bad for the guy. Part of the reason he shouldn't have been ass to you. If he was cool, maybe you offer to ship him some of the winnings. BUT... as you have said before, even as a 2 to 1 chip dog, you have more equity anyway.I'm taking the blinds. And I KNOW for a fact that it has happened to me.GG

[GWCGWC 83]

yes I do, see my edit. My personal ethics are not dictated by mathmatics.

If we were playing live and got HU in a MTT, you'd be kind enough to wait for me to go take a leak during play. That's cool, but quite a few players would just ask the dealer to shuffle and deal as fast as possible while I was gone.

[Poker Addict 0]

yes I do, see my edit. My personal ethics are not dictated by mathmatics.

You're edit does not address the mathematics of poker, I understand that your ethics are not dictated by them. But why is it fair that by waiting, TJ should not be put in the same situation, but a financially worse one by allowing the blinds to increase without his stack increasing? That just doesn't make sense to me. It's not even about if someone has done it to you.His stack size stays the same, blinds go up. His stack is worth less. His opponents is worth more. That just does not make sense to me.

[Dapper Dan G 0]

yes I do, see my edit. My personal ethics are not dictated by mathmatics.

i see your edit, but my argument for staying active while he's disconnected has absolutely no bearing on if i think he'd do the same for me. i don't think that this is a situation defined by ethics, i think this is a situation defined by taking the most logical approach given the circumstances. i'm not saying that you need to snap raise every hand, i'm saying that sitting out would be foolish.

[Poker Addict 0]

I would be willing to hearing the ethics side of this question?Just because you feel bad for the guy does not make you ethically responsible for donating to him. Nor does it make you ethically corrupt by continuing with the game.EDIT: I just reread AA's post. So, 10 minutes and you are cleansed ethically? Could the number be 5 minutes? Or could it be 20 minutes?