I Hate Spots Like This..

[AimHigher 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)Button (t1415)SB (t1845)BB (t880)UTG (t1080)Hero (t1955)MP1 (t1870)MP2 (t1350)MP3 (t1840)CO (t1265)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . UTG calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 1 fold, MP2 calls t150, 1 fold, CO raises to t1265, 3 folds, UTG calls t1050 (All-In), Hero folds, MP2 calls t1115.Flop: (t3805) , , (3 players, 1 all-in)Turn: (t3805) (3 players, 1 all-in)River: (t3805) (3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t3805I hate laying down this hand. Should I be going here even if I think that I am missing at least an ace from the deck? FWIW I am putting CO on a large PP, but I have MP2 cold calling behind me and UTG limp-calling all in.

[sirphatticus 0]

assuming you play well, this is a clear fold. you'll likely find much, MUCH better spots to get your stack throughout the tourney. but, if you play that crazy style thats so successfully employed by some where accumulating a huge stack early on is how you like to roll, then go for it. but considering your question it seems you would benefit from just mucking here and waiting for a better spot.the old "at best a coinflip" also comes into mind, i doubt you are EVER dominating all of the hands.

[LJB723 0]

That's carnage, but on the upside you fold and have a decent stack and 2 players are gone/crippled. Good fold I think, even if you would have won I assume?

[Berwatchey 0]

i'd say its a pretty obvious fold that early on. basically you are at best a coin flip and you can find better spots to chip it in. you have a zillion BB's after the raise fold. just grind it out. eventually you'll have the nuts and some poor sap will push and youll kindly remove his chips from his posession.

[rog 0]

Umm...how can we be advising on this hand without knowing the buyin or structure? This is probably a call in a $3 45 man turbo, but is a fold in a $10 MTT.

[sirphatticus 0]

Umm...how can we be advising on this hand without knowing the buyin or structure? This is probably a call in a $3 45 man turbo, but is a fold in a $10 MTT.

i think a confident player at either level will fold here... sometimes it is about the buy-in, but in this case if you are playing to win it, and confident in your abilities you know another spot will come along, even in a 3$ 45 man turbo.why draw against that many hands for all the cheese so early on in any tourney/STT?

[AimHigher 0]

Umm...how can we be advising on this hand without knowing the buyin or structure? This is probably a call in a $3 45 man turbo, but is a fold in a $10 MTT.

Well, I'd rather be given a method I can apply to the situation than a general statement about the hand itself. It is a $1.75 18 player turbo, the only reads I have is that the CO has been playing somewhat tight and this is the first time I've seen him overshove.

[Poker Addict 0]

AK like this wants to be up against a single opponent. It is a drawing hand, no matter how good. I fold this here all day. If we were going to play this HU then I call him on his overshove because that doesn't look like AA or KK to me. But the callers could be.

[TheMan2Go 0]

I agree that it doesn't really matter what the buy in is if 2 or 1 player goes all in and you only have A high its an easy fold. If you hit the king on the flop though its a whole different stories and the buy in should be considered as they are probably going all in with a weaker A or a lower pair.

[Sheiky 0]

WTF, in a $1.75 turbo i snap call this and am very happy about it.

[Poker Addict 0]

Okay, I didn't read the turbo, that absolutely changes things. And not the buy in, but the crappy turbo structure. You can not sit around waiting for premium hands in a Turbo. I would call here. In a normal structure I lay it down as I said. But you have to gamble in these. I would get my money in right now with this hand.

[jmbreslin 0]

Play in these $1.75's is bad, but not so bad that you can actually consider yourself ahead here. You have CO pulling a squeeze and a UTG limper calling all-in, with another player still to act behind Hero (who has already flat-called Hero's raise). There is a decent chance Hero is racing behind a PP, a possibility that he's dominated by AA/KK, a decent chance that his hand overlaps with one of the other players (which makes a race against a PP less of a race), with a very remote possibility that Hero has both beaten PF. And he still has MP2 to worry about, who could have called the initial raise with something like a suited Ace or medium PP. The chances of this ending well for Hero are slim, IMO.

[jmbreslin 0]

You can not sit around waiting for premium hands in a Turbo.

There is a lot of territory between waiting for premium hands and calling off all your chips in a situation where you are likely going to bust out. Decent players still have a skill advantage over the opposition in micro stakes turbos, and the 18-mans play more like STTs than MTTs, so you don't have to take this kind of risk. Have some faith in your ability to outplay the opposition at this level.

[Poker Addict 0]

Point taken. I need to think about this more. I absolutely lay it down in a normal structure as I said. And I have been doing the WSOP Steps lately, those are the only turbos I can reference. So if I picture having this hand in one of those, I would lay it down as well.EDIT: Yes, I am a waffler, but that just means I am open to new trains of thought, right?

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I get it in, these things are fast and "loose" isn't even the word for it .....IMHOwouldn't be surprised to see raiser have one of your aces dead w 10/J for a kicker and utg limper deciding to call with a med/small pp 66-99even if you lose you can still get back in it with a double up and I just think with your AK being suited it's good enough to gamboool it up and try to build a large stack if it was a STT turbo I wouldn't even think twice about getting it in and the 18 man variation isn't "that" much better

[Doug 0]

in a micro stakes turbo calling an all in from two players with AK is certainly +ev in my experience of them (I have a lot).