Wsop 2008 Final Table

[tskillz187 0]

WSOP would jump the shark if this happens. So against what a tournament is all about. So the 3-5 complete donks who make the FT by running like god will have ample time to get lessons by everyone offering there services and be a completely diffrent player than the one who got there.

Obv best point yet.

[AAsnake88 0]

this is the most retarded idea ever. no one except poker players who would already watch the espn show is going to watch an insanely long live final table that will likely be made up of 8 no names and 1 semi known player.

By semi-known, would you mean somebody like Sam Grizzle?

[HubDub04 0]

This is what I think of this now that i've had a few hours to draw some conclusions.There are three main groups of people that benefit from tournament and cash game televised poker, the players, the casinos that host the tournaments/cash games, and the audience (from an entertainment factor).I believe that two of the three groups would benefit from them delaying the final table, the casinos and the audience. The players however, would suffer greatly.The audience would have a great experience because they are watching history live, instead of it being taped and everybody knowing the outcome. The casino would benefit because there would be a large increase in a ) publicity for holding the tournament and setting this 3 month MTT delay precedent b ) an increase in customer traffic for people who want to be there when the play of the final table takes place.The players however, would have to undergo 90 days of anxiety not knowing if the players that they played against will play the same way or improve/get worse until they actually sit down to finish the event off. The other main issue with this for the players is the idea of momentum. When you delay a final table more than a short amount of time, you completely eliminate any momentum that was gained or lost in the events leading up to the final table. The players will also have to let their guaranteed winnings sit in the casino vault without earning interest on their money. There is a lot of potential interest to be earned on money $1,000,000 and up over a three month period. This potential interest would be forfeited if they aren't allowed to play out the final table immediately after the final 9 have been determined.Yes the break would give players lots of time for interviews, magazine spreads, advertisements, endorsements, notoriety, etc. But I firmly believe that this would be a very bad thing for the WSOP overall because it affects the players in a negative way.

[zimmer4141 0]

The point is obviously that the players can change so much in 3 months with the resources that they can go after. This really hurts the better players IMO because it's much easier to go from a bad to a good player than to go from a good to a great player. This would essentially even out the playing field which is completely unfair. The most important thing poker can do is maintain its integrity, and I really feel like this would be a step in the wrong direction.

[Socrates 0]

You think watching shortened versions of final tables that only show the action are broing, wait until you watch 10+ hours of people folding to the BB most of the time.

[zoo 0]

I don't understand why they would need to delay it 3 months in order to show the final table live from beginning to end. Couldn't they do that with a one day delay the way they do now?

[grocery_mony 8]

I don't understand why they would need to delay it 3 months in order to show the final table live from beginning to end. Couldn't they do that with a one day delay the way they do now?

I think it is so all of the lead up episodes of the main event have aired so people have seen what has happened leading up to the live FT.

[EStormOk 0]

This idea blows man! Lust like Ann Landers....

[Loismustdie 0]

Would they get to sue if one died the night before the final table if it wasn't 3 months later? No. That's why they have tournament schedules before these things start.

It would be easy to make the case that the survivors of the estate could hire whoever they wanted to take the place of the dead guy. Just another spin I thought of while owning souls tonight. This would be a ****ing nightmare. The texture of the table would be completely different in 3 months- I bet you would even have guys getting plastic surgery to install a permanent poker face. What a mess.

[Fluffdog87 2]

What if they did 1 or 2 week delay?still lol mostly obv

[Doug 0]

The most I think would be acceptable would be a 1 day delay. Anything over 3 months and I could see other tournaments start to become more appealing than the WSOP. 3 months is a ridiculous time to wait.

[pokerprolific 0]

just imagine if one of them died, or was hospitalised. stupid idea

[a desperado6 0]

This would be utterly terrible for the game. If the wsop did this, other tourneys surely would try to top it and do something similar, and it would just lead to a bunch of bullshit.

[poo in a bag 0]

WORST. IDEA. EVER.

[StickyBun 0]

They'd push it back to the fall period because ratings would be higher than the summer...and the element of not knowing ahead of time who'd win. ESPN is so hyping the NFL and everything World Series at that time, I can't believe they'd want to cram the WSOP final table in too. Watching a live FT doesn't make a lot of sense time-wise for viewers...WAY too long. This may be an idea that popped up and will quickly get picked apart and disappear.LMAO about worrying that a player 'would die'. Its not even a consideration.

[Suited_Up 2]

LMAO about worrying that a player 'would die'. Its not even a consideration.

Talk about waiting it out to jump a pay level.

[ThePhoenix88 0]

I think a week would be good. Someone would be jumping off a building though.

[Suited_Up 2]

I think a week would be good. Someone would be jumping off a building though.

What's good about a week?Stopping a tournament to hype it up is retarded. They've done pretty well this long in making celebrities out of luckboxes.

[HoosierAlum 0]

meh didn't read the article or anything but the concept itself seems kind of intriguing. Obviously it has pros and cons but if done right I could get on board.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

If you view the WSOP Main Event as the ultimate reality game show the concept is brilliant.You'll have all that time to hype things and the players themselves will have tremendous opportunities to leverage their success. ESPN will have the time to create a huge buzz for the live final table.I think every average player who is going to play in the event should love the idea and even the best pros will gain a lot more exposure with the delayed format if they make the final table. The average player will not only have their time in the spotlight extended but they'll have an opportunity to work on their game and prepare for the final table.I don't view the WSOP main event as any sort of hallowed tradition bound thing that shouldn't be messed with, it's just a poker tournament.

[HoosierAlum 0]

Yea I agree w.you Bob. Its such a huge opportunity for sponsorship/exposure. Sure the average player might improve their game a bit, but in reality no medicore player is going to improve their game that much over a 3 month time span. Maybe like 1 in 1000 of those types might study their ass off and spend 3 months becoming the best tournament player possible (and even if they do this they will be light years behind world class players). Most ppl will improve a little but nothing ultra significant.

[Suited_Up 2]

Yea I agree w.you Bob. Its such a huge opportunity for sponsorship/exposure. Sure the average player might improve their game a bit, but in reality no medicore player is going to improve their game that much over a 3 month time span. Maybe like 1 in 1000 of those types might study their ass off and spend 3 months becoming the best tournament player possible. In reality most ppl will improve a little but nothing ultra significant.

I don't know if that's really true though.I think coaches would be coming out of the woodwork for all of these people. Trying to get their cut of the millions.

[Suited_Up 2]

If you view the WSOP Main Event as the ultimate reality game show the concept is brilliant.

That's true.But I think that just hurts the game at it's core level.I am sure it would help the game in the way that Moneymaker did, but if you just think of it as a card game, and not as a reality show, then the point of view is different.I dunno really. I guess I can see it from both sides, and if I was in the situation myself... I guess that potential exposure/endorsements would win out over the frustration of having to wait. But it WOULD be annoying.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Surely they won't show hole cards in a live (or nearly live) broadcast.Surely people won't want to watch it without hole cards.I don't get it.

[HoosierAlum 0]

I don't know if that's really true though.I think coaches would be coming out of the woodwork for all of these people. Trying to get their cut of the millions.

Of course people would get coached. My point was that it takes much more than 3 months of coaching to become a great tournament player. Zimmer's point on bad players becoming average is well taken. That is one the biggest drawbacks. Its fairly easy for a bad player to become average, and that kind of sucks bc I would imagine nobody would be completely dead $ after 3 months of traning.