Hating Bush Is Like Hating Paris Hilton

[SlapStick 0]

And I think I speak for everybody on both sides of the political spectrum and say that our guy is great, it's the other guy that's a lying thieving crook.

I disagree

[Balloon guy 158]

Sorry, I already spoke for you

[hblask 1]

Until we stop requiring our presidential candidates to have nothing in their past that's the least bit controversial, we'll continue to have mediocre candidates. Most of our best and brightest became that way by making mistakes and learning from them. And I'm not talking about sexual piccadillos. I'm talking about supporting the "wrong" guy, making the "wrong" statement, going to the "wrong" church, etc. Most of your best and brightest can be counted on to try different ideas, philosophies, knowledge, lifestyles out before they become the best and the brightest. And as long as we want the press to go dig up the "dirt" no matter if said "dirt" has nothing to do with the person today, we will not attract any quality candidates to the presidential pool. Or to politics period.

Two presidents ago, we had someone with a long history of extra-marital affairs and other devious shenanigans. The current president has a long history of alcohol and drug abuse. Waiting for someone with a clear past is not the problem.The problem is public choice theory. 1) Any individual's vote makes no difference, so it makes little sense to take the time it takes to understand economics, the candidates, and the world. 2) The only people who care about politics enough to get involved are those who stand to gain a LOT, i.e., lobbyists and corporate PACs. 3) Because of this, the only people drawn to power are those who care about what lobbyists and PACs have to offer, and the only people who can win are those who promise lobbyists and PACs what they want. 4) Each individual voter, feeling helpless, votes to screw the other guy instead of doing what will do the most good overall. And yes, I'm talking about both D's and R's.Until we get someone who understands our constitution and why limited gov't is a good idea, and until the voters realize that when govt is for sale it will always go to the rich, we will continue to get the clowns and crooks we've been getting.

[JustDoIt 10]

Two presidents ago, we had someone with a long history of extra-marital affairs and other devious shenanigans. The current president has a long history of alcohol and drug abuse. Waiting for someone with a clear past is not the problem.The problem is public choice theory. 1) Any individual's vote makes no difference, so it makes little sense to take the time it takes to understand economics, the candidates, and the world. 2) The only people who care about politics enough to get involved are those who stand to gain a LOT, i.e., lobbyists and corporate PACs. 3) Because of this, the only people drawn to power are those who care about what lobbyists and PACs have to offer, and the only people who can win are those who promise lobbyists and PACs what they want. 4) Each individual voter, feeling helpless, votes to screw the other guy instead of doing what will do the most good overall. And yes, I'm talking about both D's and R's.Until we get someone who understands our constitution and why limited gov't is a good idea, and until the voters realize that when govt is for sale it will always go to the rich, we will continue to get the clowns and crooks we've been getting.

Hear hear!

[LongLiveYorke 38]

...we will continue to get the clowns and crooks we've been getting.

So you're saying that I shouldn't vote for Stephen King's "It"?

[breathweapon 0]

Sure, common sense. If you knew that in 6 months guys would be looking for your weed you might put the weed elsewhere. Way to much has been out on the "they never found". Did anyone really expect to find anything? I have porn hidden in my house my wife can't find, you think governments with endless resources can't manage to hide something they know you are looking for?

It was and is common knowledge in civilian/military intelligence agencies that Iraq did not and does not have weapons of mass destruction, the case was built on German intelligence gathered from a man seeking asylum from Iraq, reported to interpol and then dismissed by intelligence experts. The testimony was then reopened, reexamined and "spun" in order to support Bush's personal decision to violate international law by invading a sovereign with out due cause.I've been a U.S. Army Military Intelligence Officer since 9/11, and I 100% guarantee you that not only was there no evidence to support the claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of the evidence pointed toward the contrary. Even the retired CIA director that over saw the intelligence reports has gone on record and stated it was the result of a critical "over sight" on U.S. intelligence agencies. Intelligence officers who disagreed with the administration's assessments were either fired, threatened or compromised, Plame being case and point.I find the OP's points ridiculous, Bush "hate" is warranted; 9/11 was a result of his administrations failure to respond to domestic/foreign intelligence, Iraq invasion was based on a familial vendetta and sold to the American people by misconstruing the facts, his administration's mismanagement of the war has resulted in horrific US and Iraqi losses, his disregard for the Darfur genocide has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, his international policies have lead to the worst perception of the US and American citizens abroad in US history, his domestic policies include the failure to respond to Katrina, failure to address the housing crisis (lol at the strongest US economy in history), created Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans while borrowing ridiculous sums of money to indebt our grand children to China, pardoning Enron CEOs, pardoning Scooter Libby (who is arguably guilty of treason and utterly reviled in the intelligence community), trampled on citizen's rights to privacy with the "Patriot" Act, has lead the most secretive administration in US history since Nixon, is staffed by the most inept people he could find in Texas, and is for all his charms is a bumbling idiot. And Bush hate isn't even close to the Conservative demonization of Liberalism since the 1980s.

[breathweapon 0]

Carter raised peanuts from birth

Carter was a Nuclear Engineer for the US Navy, you fail.

[breathweapon 0]

In response to the dude who said I'm an idiot because I think it's easier to be gay than conservative...You obviously don't attend a liberal arts college in modern day America. Homosexuality may not be cool with the older folk, but it's quite normal and tolerated among my peers. As it should be, in my opinion.The few flames I've received in this thread just validate my point lol.Yeah, it's not hard to be conservative surrounded by a sea of liberals. It's not hard to hear how terrible your country is day in and day out. You're right. It's not hard to have my opinions shut down by a professor in the middle of class because I'm "ignorant and thickheaded"... even though my argument was as simple as supporting my country. You're right. Good point. I'm obviously mentally handicapped. It's not hard at all to have your beliefs and ideas degraded day after day.Good point, buddy.

Please tell me the last time a Conservative was killed for his political views as opposed to the last time a homosexual was killed for his sexual orientation? When people start committing hate crimes against Conservatives, then you'll have something to actually validate your opinion.

[nutzbuster 7]

Two presidents ago, we had someone with a long history of extra-marital affairs and other devious shenanigans. The current president has a long history of alcohol and drug abuse. Waiting for someone with a clear past is not the problem.The problem is public choice theory. 1) Any individual's vote makes no difference, so it makes little sense to take the time it takes to understand economics, the candidates, and the world. 2) The only people who care about politics enough to get involved are those who stand to gain a LOT, i.e., lobbyists and corporate PACs. 3) Because of this, the only people drawn to power are those who care about what lobbyists and PACs have to offer, and the only people who can win are those who promise lobbyists and PACs what they want. 4) Each individual voter, feeling helpless, votes to screw the other guy instead of doing what will do the most good overall. And yes, I'm talking about both D's and R's.Until we get someone who understands our constitution and why limited gov't is a good idea, and until the voters realize that when govt is for sale it will always go to the rich, we will continue to get the clowns and crooks we've been getting.

Sadly, there is a high degree of truth in this statement.but vote for McCain anyway, k?thxbye

[DelftDragons 0]

Here's my question: Why is the President so hated? Why is he regarded as one of the worst Presidents of our time?The facts:- No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11.- One of the best economies of the past 100 years- Ridiculously low unemployment- Technology is growing at an incredible pace- One of the most bipartisan Presidents of our time... (not a good thing in my opinion, but why would liberals oppose this?) read: No Child Left Behind, the Prescription Drug Benefit, economic stimulus packages targeting the poor/middle class... etc.

Haven't read the rest of the posts.The facts:- No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11.Very true, now your army gets attacked constantly in the country they are stationed. Before 9/11 when was the last attack on US soil (not counting ambassies, but actual US mainland?) where talking pearl harbor. So thats hardly an achievement.-One of the best economies? You really haven't heard of your morgage crises which could setoff the worst recession since the 30ties? Because the dollar is in a freefall your export is increasing, since your products are getting relativly cheaper. However companies who have operations abroad need a lot of extra revenue to compensate for the conversion to dollar loss.- Ridiculously low unemploymentThat's beause if you don't work you starve or die from the flew since almost 15% of your population can't afford health care.- Technology is growing at an incredible paceSo is global warming. The US alreadies uses up 30% of the worlds energy supplies.Don;t get me wrong I like Americans. just realecting bush was a HUGE mistake IMO. The main reason I do not like Bush?He invaded a sovereign nation (yes not the best or nicest country in the world) regardless of the opinion in the rest of the world and by Us citizen backing by complete lies about Weapons of Mass destruction and 9/11 involvement. Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11. The whole operation was to secure a US base in the Middle east since with the running out of Oil supplies in the next 30 years and the increasing need for it, it makes that the most strategic important region for this century. Wondering when your troops will be coming hope? Well not for a long time.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

It was and is common knowledge in civilian/military intelligence agencies that Iraq did not and does not have weapons of mass destruction, the case was built on German intelligence gathered from a man seeking asylum from Iraq, reported to interpol and then dismissed by intelligence experts. The testimony was then reopened, reexamined and "spun" in order to support Bush's personal decision to violate international law by invading a sovereign with out due cause.I've been a U.S. Army Military Intelligence Officer since 9/11, and I 100% guarantee you that not only was there no evidence to support the claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of the evidence pointed toward the contrary. Even the retired CIA director that over saw the intelligence reports has gone on record and stated it was the result of a critical "over sight" on U.S. intelligence agencies. Intelligence officers who disagreed with the administration's assessments were either fired, threatened or compromised, Plame being case and point.I find the OP's points ridiculous, Bush "hate" is warranted; 9/11 was a result of his administrations failure to respond to domestic/foreign intelligence, Iraq invasion was based on a familial vendetta and sold to the American people by misconstruing the facts, his administration's mismanagement of the war has resulted in horrific US and Iraqi losses, his disregard for the Darfur genocide has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, his international policies have lead to the worst perception of the US and American citizens abroad in US history, his domestic policies include the failure to respond to Katrina, failure to address the housing crisis (lol at the strongest US economy in history), created Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans while borrowing ridiculous sums of money to indebt our grand children to China, pardoning Enron CEOs, pardoning Scooter Libby (who is arguably guilty of treason and utterly reviled in the intelligence community), trampled on citizen's rights to privacy with the "Patriot" Act, has lead the most secretive administration in US history since Nixon, is staffed by the most inept people he could find in Texas, and is for all his charms is a bumbling idiot. And Bush hate isn't even close to the Conservative demonization of Liberalism since the 1980s.

I agree with everything here.Well, everything except that I've never been in military intelligence.I'm a Canadian who is a fiscal conservative and far from somebody who hates the U.S. or "Freedom" and Bush is without a doubt viewed by people like me as being the worst President of the modern era and maybe ever. Nixon for example other than getting caught with his dirty tricks was actually one of the better Presidents in recent history.

[nutzbuster 7]

9/11 was a result of his Bill Clintons administrations failure to respond to domestic/foreign intelligence, George Bush was barely in office a few months before this tragedy happened.

FYPAnd you say you are an intelligence officer but you don't don't know who the retired CIA directors name? I'd think that one would have just fallen off your tongue with no thought at all.

[Balloon guy 158]

It was and is common knowledge in civilian/military intelligence agencies that Iraq did not and does not have weapons of mass destruction, the case was built on German intelligence gathered from a man seeking asylum from Iraq, reported to interpol and then dismissed by intelligence experts. The testimony was then reopened, reexamined and "spun" in order to support Bush's personal decision to violate international law by invading a sovereign with out due cause.You sir are misinformed.I've been a U.S. ArmyMilitary Intelligence Officer since 9/11, and I 100% guarantee you that not only was there no evidence to support the claim of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, all of the evidence pointed toward the contrary.You sir are misinformed Even the retired CIA director that over saw the intelligence reports has gone on record and stated it was the result of a critical "over sight" on U.S. intelligence agencies. Intelligence officers who disagreed with the administration's assessments were either fired, threatened or compromised, Plame being case and point.You sir are misinformed.I find the OP's points ridiculous, Bush "hate" is warranted; 9/11 was a result of his administrations failure to respond to domestic/foreign intelligence, Iraq invasion was based on a familial vendetta and sold to the American people by misconstruing the facts, his administration's mismanagement of the war has resulted in horrific US and Iraqi losses,you sir are misinformed. his disregard for the Darfur genocide has resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, You sir are misinformedhis international policies have lead to the worst perception of the US and American citizens abroad in US history,You sir must use the Onion to base your intelligence. his domestic policies include the failure to respond to Katrina,You sir are clueless. failure to address the housing crisis (lol at the strongest US economy in history), You sir are getting worse,created Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans while borrowing ridiculous sums of money to indebt our grand children to China,You sir have absolutely no clue how the economy works, or what a tax cut is. pardoning Enron CEOs, When did he pardon him?Post mortum?pardoning Scooter Libby (who is arguably guilty of treason and utterly reviled in the intelligence community),When did he parodn him? You sir again have little to no understanding of who 'revealed' Valerie Plame, I can only guess through ignorance. trampled on citizen's rights to privacy with the "Patriot" Act,You sir are badly misinformed has lead the most secretive administration in US history since Nixon,you sir I will bet are under 30 is staffed by the most inept people he could find in Texas, and is for all his charms is a bumbling idiot. You sir are completely misinformed to demcoratic hyperbole. The standard story is that he is a bumbling fool who surrounded himself with diabolical genuises who masterminded the taking over of the white house. Re-read you tin hat press newspaperAnd Bush hate isn't even close to the Conservative demonization of Liberalism since the 1980s.You sir might be under 26

Haven't read the rest of the posts.The facts:- No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11.Very true, now your army gets attacked constantly in the country they are stationed. Before 9/11 when was the last attack on US soil (not counting ambassies, but actual US mainland?) where talking pearl harbor. So thats hardly an achievement.Yea, you're right, attacking the World Trade center didn't count. Or the Uss Cole, or Embassies, they're not really US soil.-One of the best economies? You really haven't heard of your morgage crises which could setoff the worst recession since the 30ties? Because the dollar is in a freefall your export is increasing, since your products are getting relativly cheaper. However companies who have operations abroad need a lot of extra revenue to compensate for the conversion to dollar loss.Again, they don't teach you economics in army school, so I forgive you.- Ridiculously low unemploymentThat's beause if you don't work you starve or die from the flew since almost 15% of your population can't afford health care.Yea, that's the kind of logic that the Army needs more of.- Technology is growing at an incredible paceSo is global warming. The US alreadies uses up 30% of the worlds energy supplies.We can't have used it up, you mean we use it? Oh yea we do, and if the world dies and there is only one person left,it's your job as an American soldier to make sure that person is an American.Don;t get me wrong I like Americans. No proof of thatjust realecting bush was a HUGE mistake IMO. So the first election was okay? That's when he supposedly did all this evil stuff. So how can you be against Bush if you only think RE-electing him was bad?The main reason I do not like Bush?He invaded a sovereign nation (yes not the best or nicest country in the world) regardless of the opinion in the rest of the world and by Us citizen backing by complete lies about Weapons of Mass destruction and 9/11 involvement. Sadam had nothing to do with 9/11. The whole operation was to secure a US base in the Middle east since with the running out of Oil supplies in the next 30 years and the increasing need for it, it makes that the most strategic important region for this century. Wondering when your troops will be coming hope? Well not for a long time.

We're running out of oil in 30 years?Wow, you have some good intel there bud.Be honest, your 'work' in the intelligance field is actually radios isn't it?Because I can bet you do not gather facts and concisely draw a logical conclusion. You don't have the skills.I have tons of respect for military people, and even though I have tried to not make too much fun of you, I probably will not be well received.But like I said, you get your source intel from bad location, and you are blinding your conclusions with your bias. Learn to not do that.Oh and last time I played golf with a multiple star military intelligance officer, he kind of had a different opinion than you. seeing as how we're related I suspected he doesn't lie too much. Although he did vote for Clinton the first time.

[Balloon guy 158]

I agree with everything here.Well, everything except that I've never been in military intelligence.I'm a Canadian who is a fiscal conservative and far from somebody who hates the U.S. or "Freedom" and Bush is without a doubt viewed by people like me as being the worst President of the modern era and maybe ever. Nixon for example other than getting caught with his dirty tricks was actually one of the better Presidents in recent history.

Bob, one day soon you and I need to sit down and I need to overwhelm you with why Big Brother Goerge Bush is good for the whole world. You will then come to love him as I have.

[Balloon guy 158]

Carter was a Nuclear Engineer for the US Navy, you fail.

So juicy...SOOOO JUICCYYYY

One myth correction, however. President Carter was a submarine officer, but he was not a nuclear engineer.He graduated from the US Naval Academy in June 1946 (he entered in 1943 with the class of 1947, but his class was in a war-driven accelerated 3 year program) with an undesignated bachelor of science degree. Even if the Naval Academy had offered a majors program for his class, it is unlikely that it would have included Nuclear Engineering as a option - after all, the Manhattan Project was a dark secret for most of his time at Annapolis.After graduation, Jimmy Carter served as a surface warfare officer for a two years and then volunteered for the submarine force. He served in a variety of billets, including engineer officer of diesel submarines and qualified to command submarines.In November 1952, he began a three month temporary duty assignment at the Naval Reactor branch. He started nuclear power school (a six month course of study that leads to operator training) in March, 1953. In July 1953, his father passed away and he resigned his commission to run the family peanut farm. He was discharged from active duty on 9 October, 1953.

You need to relook at your MOS, I think scullery may be better to your skill sets.

[SlapStick 0]

So juicy...SOOOO JUICCYYYYYou need to relook at your MOS, I think scullery may be better to your skill sets.

How many times can you mess up in one forum? you replied to one of DeftDragons(the not american guy) posts thinking it was Breathweapon(the army guy)Saying "you sir are misinformed" without actually discussing or going into the details, shows you have no arguement and have to resort to being "witty". Although I laughed at the under 26 one.

[Ouch-8s 4]

I'm a college student at Augustana College in Rock Island, IL.I'm also a conservative. Now for those of you that are college-aged... you probably know that it's easier to be young and gay than it is to be young and conservative these days. I have been subjected to numerous discriminations based on my political views, because I'm vocal about them. I'm even a social liberal... but my support for the war in Iraq is enough to get yelled at. But that's for another topic.Here's my question: Why is the President so hated? Why is he regarded as one of the worst Presidents of our time?The facts:- No terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11.- One of the best economies of the past 100 years- Ridiculously low unemployment- Technology is growing at an incredible pace- One of the most bipartisan Presidents of our time... (not a good thing in my opinion, but why would liberals oppose this?) read: No Child Left Behind, the Prescription Drug Benefit, economic stimulus packages targeting the poor/middle class... etc.I guess I just don't get it. So maybe some liberals could enlighten me, with ... facts. Oh, and do your best to explain yourselves without mentioning Iraq, because we've all heard that debate enough. Good luck... because you're not going to find a whole lot.I just think that with the aid of people like Jon Stewart and Michael Moore, the young culture has come to HATE a man for no real good reason. It's just like Paris Hilton. And it's really not fair.

[DelftDragons 0]

We're running out of oil in 30 years?Wow, you have some good intel there bud.Be honest, your 'work' in the intelligance field is actually radios isn't it?Because I can bet you do not gather facts and concisely draw a logical conclusion. You don't have the skills.I have tons of respect for military people, and even though I have tried to not make too much fun of you, I probably will not be well received.But like I said, you get your source intel from bad location, and you are blinding your conclusions with your bias. Learn to not do that.Oh and last time I played golf with a multiple star military intelligance officer, he kind of had a different opinion than you. seeing as how we're related I suspected he doesn't lie too much. Although he did vote for Clinton the first time.

As stated earlier I am the not American guy.Furthermore the estimate of oil running out in 30 years is reality, especially with the Chineze economie heating up.

Yea, you're right, attacking the World Trade center didn't count. Or the Uss Cole, or Embassies, they're not really US soil.

Well you should get it right. IF you count those, you can;t state that no terorist attack has been made since 9/11, since US bases (US soil) are taking fire regularly. Therefore I specifically stated that I did not include them.

Again, they don't teach you economics in army school, so I forgive you.

Actualy I got a Bachelor in that field. You claim your economy is doing great?

That's beause if you don't work you starve or die from the flew since almost 15% of your population can't afford health care.Yea, that's the kind of logic that the Army needs more of.

There are no 50 million Americans without health insurance?

So the first election was okay? That's when he supposedly did all this evil stuff. So how can you be against Bush if you only think RE-electing him was bad?

Ya, you didn;t know before how bad he would be, but after his first term you did.

[Jeepster80125 0]

That's beause if you don't work you starve or die from the flew since almost 15% of your population can't afford health care.

Please don't spout incorrect facts off as truths. Please cite your source.I'm in the healthcare industry, and I don't believe this number is correct.

[DelftDragons 0]

Please don't spout incorrect facts off as truths. Please cite your source.I'm in the healthcare industry, and I don't believe this number is correct.

Seen Sicko lately?47 mil without healthcare on a population of about 300

[Balloon guy 158]

How many times can you mess up in one forum? The number seems to rise every day.you replied to one of DeftDragons(the not american guy) posts thinking it was Breathweapon(the army guy) OoopsSaying "you sir are misinformed" without actually discussing or going into the details, shows you have no arguement and have to resort to being "witty". Or shows that a debate thats been hashed out 100 times before doesn't need full details. Just becasue you left wingers say something, you don't always deserve to be taken seriously.Although I laughed at the under 26 one. Thanks, I almost went with 27, but thought 26 was funnier.

Slap, I know you don't like my politics, but I bet we would get along fine. As long as you admit I'm right that is.And next time you are going to critic me on getting a poster wrong, don't quote the one when I got it right.

[Balloon guy 158]

As stated earlier I am the not American guy.Furthermore the estimate of oil running out in 30 years is reality, especially with the Chineze economie heating up.Well you should get it right. IF you count those, you can;t state that no terorist attack has been made since 9/11, since US bases (US soil) are taking fire regularly. Therefore I specifically stated that I did not include them.Actualy I got a Bachelor in that field. You claim your economy is doing great?There are no 50 million Americans without health insurance?Ya, you didn;t know before how bad he would be, but after his first term you did.

Wow you don't know how glad I am that I got that wrong.The thought that an American Army Officer would be as wrong as you are was painful for me to deal with.Using sicko as a source makes you no longer valid as a debater.And the World Trade Center Attack I was talking about was under Clinton. Did you not know that they were attacked more than once?

[nutzbuster 7]

Seen Sicko lately?47 mil without healthcare on a population of about 300

lol. Moore = jopkeand you guys criticize the conservatives use of Fox news as a credible source, lmao

[coesillian 0]

Somebody mentions a fact mentioned in Moore's documentary so some of you discredit the validity of the fact. lol, you guys are jokes, just becaue moore used it, doesn't meanit isn't true.we can do this without Moore, that way you won't hide from real facts,according to The National Coalition on Health Care:"Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2005, the latest government data available.^{1"http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml}

[hblask 1]

Seen Sicko lately? 47 mil without healthcare on a population of about 300

Ah, this may be the problem, lol. Want some real facts on the uninsured in America. Try this:http://freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica_transcript.phpIf you don't feel like reading (and based on your equating Michael Moore with "truth", that seems likely), here is the video:http://freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica.php