The Hi-lo(w) Content Thread

[Cappy37 0]

PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is Button with 9 , 9 , A , 3 :heart:UTG (poster) checks, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checksFlop: (9 SB) J , 3 , 9 (4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero raises, BB calls, 1 fold, MP callsTurn: (10.5 BB) 5 (3 players)BB checks, MP bets, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP callsRiver: (18.5 BB) 5 (2 players)MP checks, Hero bets, MP callsTotal pot: $11.25 (22.5 BB) | Rake: $0.50Results:Hero had 9 , 9 , A , 3 (Hi: full house, nines over fives).MP mucked 10 , 6 , A , J (Hi: two pair, Jacks and fives).Outcome: Hero won $10.75

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

How to brick a brazillion outs, twice: PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A , J , J UTG (poster) checks, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG (poster) callsFlop: (12 SB) 10 , 7 , 9 (6 players)SB checks, BB bets, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB callsTurn: (11 BB) A (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB callsRiver: (15 BB) 6 (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checksTotal pot: $7.50 (15 BB) | Rake: $0.35Results:Button mucked Q , Q , 8 , 3 (Hi: one pair, Queens, Lo: [ 8, 7, 6, 3, A ]).SB had 10 , 3 , 7 , A (Hi: two pair, Aces and tens).BB had 9 , 8 , 2 , 6 (Hi: straight, ten high, Lo: [ 8, 7, 6, 2, A ]).Hero had Q , A , J , J (Hi: one pair, Aces).Outcome: BB won $7.15

yeah, this sux but is par for the course in this game quit often it seems....sigh

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

look I get hands just like Cappy PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is Button with 7 , A , 6 , 2 :diamond:UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop: (7 SB) 5 , 4 , 7 (7 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 callsTurn: (7.5 BB) A (4 players)UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 callsRiver: (11.5 BB) 8 (4 players)UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 callsTotal pot: $7.75 (15.5 BB) | Rake: $0.35Results in white below: Hero had 7 , A , 6 , 2 (Hi: straight, eight high, Lo: [ 6, 5, 4, 2, A ]).UTG mucked 3 , 8 , 4 , 4 (Hi: three of a kind, fours, Lo: [ 7, 5, 4, 3, A ]).UTG+2 had 2 , 9 , 9 , 3 (Hi: straight, five high, Lo: [ 5, 4, 3, 2, A ]).MP1 had A , 5 , 2 , 2 (Hi: flush, Ace high, Lo: [ 7, 5, 4, 2, A ]).Outcome: UTG+2 won $3.70, MP1 won $3.70

[Cappy37 0]

^^^^yeah, but you caught good enough to waste another dollar on the river.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

^^^^yeah, but you caught good enough to waste another dollar on the river.

LOL...I've been running horrible as of late multiple big hands getting stuffed up my arse as of latesuch as......PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 4 , 2 , A , 3 Hero raises, 4 folds, BB callsFlop: (4.5 SB) 4 , 8 , J (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsTurn: (3.25 BB) Q (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsRiver: (5.25 BB) Q (2 players)BB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: $10.50 (5.25 BB) | Rake: $0.50Results in white below: BB had K , 4 , K , 4 (Hi: full house, fours over Queens).Hero mucked 4 , 2 , A , 3 (Hi: two pair, Queens and fours).Outcome: BB won $10

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LOL...I've been running horrible as of late multiple big hands getting stuffed up my arse as of latesuch as......PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 4 , 2 , A , 3 Hero raises, 4 folds, BB callsFlop: (4.5 SB) 4 , 8 , J (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsTurn: (3.25 BB) Q (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsRiver: (5.25 BB) Q (2 players)BB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: $10.50 (5.25 BB) | Rake: $0.50Results in white below: BB had K , 4 , K , 4 (Hi: full house, fours over Queens).Hero mucked 4 , 2 , A , 3 (Hi: two pair, Queens and fours).Outcome: BB won $10

thats running good. he missed at least 1.5 bets from you.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

^^^^^^^^^^^^LOL yeah, what was I thinking LMAO^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Cappy37 0]

this was just sick all the way around. CO had been really creative over the first 40 hands or so.. The overcall was nuts.PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is SB with 3 , 10 , 3 , A 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, CO caps, Hero calls, BB callsFlop: (12 SB) A , 10 , 6 (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, CO callsTurn: (7.5 BB) 6 (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, CO callsRiver: (10.5 BB) 6 (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB callsTotal pot: $27 (13.5 BB) | Rake: $1Results in white below: Hero had 3 , 10 , 3 , A (Hi: full house, sixes over threes).BB mucked 8 , K , J , A (Hi: three of a kind, sixes).CO had 2 , Q , A , 5 (Hi: three of a kind, sixes).Outcome: Hero won $26

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someone please turn off the doomswitch!!!!!!!!! down too much to admit to lately PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is BB with 5, Q, 2, JUTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds, Hero checksFlop: (4.5 SB) K, 8, 10(4 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, 2 folds, Hero callsTurn: (3.25 BB) A(2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG callsRiver: (7.25 BB) K(2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero callsTotal pot: $18.50 (9.25 BB) | Rake: $0.75Results in white below: Hero mucked 5, Q, 2, J (Hi: straight, Ace high).UTG had 4, A, K, K (Hi: four of a kind, Kings).Outcome: UTG won $17.75

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this was just sick all the way around. CO had been really creative over the first 40 hands or so.. The overcall was nuts.PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is SB with 3 , 10 , 3 , A 2 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, CO caps, Hero calls, BB callsFlop: (12 SB) A , 10 , 6 (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, CO callsTurn: (7.5 BB) 6 (3 players)Hero bets, BB calls, CO callsRiver: (10.5 BB) 6 (3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB callsTotal pot: $27 (13.5 BB) | Rake: $1Results in white below: Hero had 3 , 10 , 3 , A (Hi: full house, sixes over threes).BB mucked 8 , K , J , A (Hi: three of a kind, sixes).CO had 2 , Q , A , 5 (Hi: three of a kind, sixes).Outcome: Hero won $26

im not sure how to play that hand on that flop in a 3 way pot that big, but im pretty sure betting the flop and then betting the turn is not the way to do it.

[Cappy37 0]

im not sure how to play that hand on that flop in a 3 way pot that big, but im pretty sure betting the flop and then betting the turn is not the way to do it.

Yeah, the main reason I posted that, tbh. Giving up the reins seems silly, and after the turn I'm downright convinced I'm not facing AA *or* a 6, since both would at least make some effort to charge the low/flush draws.The river is really fun... At first I thoght not betting out was my biggest mistake of the hand, since I don't see AAxx/TTxx or the case 6 here often at all. But then again.. If I bet out, what can call me? I'm not likely to fold out a better hand, and I certainly won't get called by busted draws.It just smells of Ace+lowdraw or busted flushdraw, neither of which came in on the river.. which is why I checked it.. Only problem is: 33 isnt much of a bluff catcher. In a pot that size, I'm not folding out any pocket pair with a river bet though.. The real thing is: the range is so borked on this hand... AA/TT is likely out since I hold one of each and was never raised, plus what form of KK-JJ or lower has a hand that can both get into a PF cap war *and* stick around all the way to this river with an ace showing on board.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

im not sure how to play that hand on that flop in a 3 way pot that big, but im pretty sure betting the flop and then betting the turn is not the way to do it.

I don't see how you play it any dif after you 3 bet preflop? AA has to be a big part of your 3 bet range from the sb and since you repped it you flop top two you have to fire right? same on the turn expecting either to be raised or folded back to me. then when nobody raises and they smooth call I would be putting them all on lo/flush draws. Then I would swear at Stars fkn me over again and make a crying call on the river

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alright this is just starting to really piss me off! I mean why the hell does MP guy just call on the turn and Stars rewards the fkn SB with his two outer on the rvr....sigh PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.20 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with A, 4, A, 9Hero raises, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 foldFlop: (9 SB) 8, 10, 4(4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB callsTurn: (6.5 BB) 4(4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, 1 fold, SB callsRiver: (9.5 BB) Q(3 players)SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 callsTotal pot: $2.50 (12.5 BB) | Rake: $0.12Results in white below: SB had Q, Q, A, 7 (Hi: full house, Queens over fours).Hero mucked A, 4, A, 9 (Hi: three of a kind, fours).MP2 mucked 8, 2, 8, A (Hi: full house, eights over fours).Outcome: SB won $2.38

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mad aggression score one for the gipper PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($1.96)Button ($5)SB ($7.72)BB ($10)UTG ($3.83)Hero (MP) ($6.19)Preflop: Hero is MP with 10 , K , Q , 9 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30Flop: ($1.22) J , 4 , 10 (3 players)BB bets $1.17, Hero raises to $4.68, 1 fold, BB raises to $8.19, Hero calls $1.11 (All-In)Turn: ($12.80) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($12.80) J (2 players, 1 all-in)Total pot: $12.80 | Rake: $0.60Results in white below: BB had A , Q , Q , 4 (Hi: two pair, Queens and Jacks).Hero had 10 , K , Q , 9 (Hi: straight, King high).Outcome: Hero won $12.20

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flipaments? somebody convinced me to start making plays "like" this and I'm 2 for 2 with it if only I could remeber who? PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comBB ($2.28)UTG ($6.11)Hero (Button) ($6.02)SB ($1.95)Preflop: Hero is Button with J , A , K , 10 :diamond:UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.10Flop: ($0.37) 9 , 4 , Q (2 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG raises to $1.27, Hero raises to $4.18, UTG raises to $5.96 (All-In), Hero calls $1.69 (All-In)Turn: ($12.11) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)River: ($12.11) K (2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: $12.11 | Rake: $0.60Results in white below: Hero had J , A , K , 10 (Hi: straight, King high).UTG had 2 , 9 , 9 , 8 (Hi: three of a kind, nines).Outcome: Hero won $11.51

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finally pstars repays me today 3 buy in uptickPokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is MP2 with 5 , A , 7 , 7 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checksFlop: (3.4 SB) 7 , 7 , 2 (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, 1 foldTurn: (2.7 BB) 9 (2 players)Hero bets, CO callsRiver: (4.7 BB) Q (2 players)Hero bets, CO callsTotal pot: $3.35 (6.7 BB) | Rake: $0.15Results in white below: Hero had 5 , A , 7 , 7 (Hi: four of a kind, sevens).CO mucked 6 , Q , A , A (Hi: two pair, Aces and sevens).Outcome: Hero won $3.20

[Cappy37 0]

Man, I took it in the shorts pretty bad last night.... lost 2 buy-ins at 1/2 playing both FR and 6max... First time i've run that bad since I started playing again. Waaaaay too many regulars, not entirely sure the game is overly profitable. Too many people either already doing what I do, or can actually form a solid defense against my insane methods. heh..No specific hands, but if I had a dollar for every time 238T made the nuts against me, I'd be even gdi.I think the time of night I'm playing is working against me, too.. It's not good when I recognize and have "he's solid" notes on at least half of a table. Of course, I'd hate to think I max out profit-wise at .5/1, cuz I used to kill 2/4. Anyone else notice the games have been drying up a little? Do I really need to go back to hold em?.. ugh.Part of me is trying to calm myself, reasoning that a month after running $10 to $500, I was probably due for a bit of a downswing.. but meh.. Did it really have to come right after moving to $1/2?

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This is exactly how awesome I've run the last 24 hours:PokerStars Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is MP3 with 5 , 2 , A , Q 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+2 callsFlop: (9.5 SB) J , 5 , 9 (4 players)UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checksTurn: (4.75 BB) Q (4 players)UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 1 foldRiver: (6.75 BB) Q (2 players)UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 callsTotal pot: $14.75 (14.75 BB) | Rake: $0.50Results in white below: UTG+2 had 9 , 10 , 8 , 8 (Hi: straight flush, Queen high).Hero had 5 , 2 , A , Q (Hi: full house, Queens over fives).Outcome: UTG+2 won $14.25

[Cappy37 0]

aand I won 3 buy ins worth of .5/1 today playing HORSE on my self-invoked day off from LO8..lol schwongs. Good to be back tho.. Dragged a $35 razz pot at one point playing 1/2, biggest razz pot I've ever been in.

[sealster 0]

Man, I took it in the shorts pretty bad last night.... lost 2 buy-ins at 1/2 playing both FR and 6max... First time i've run that bad since I started playing again. Waaaaay too many regulars, not entirely sure the game is overly profitable. Too many people either already doing what I do, or can actually form a solid defense against my insane methods. heh..No specific hands, but if I had a dollar for every time 238T made the nuts against me, I'd be even gdi.I think the time of night I'm playing is working against me, too.. It's not good when I recognize and have "he's solid" notes on at least half of a table. Of course, I'd hate to think I max out profit-wise at .5/1, cuz I used to kill 2/4. Anyone else notice the games have been drying up a little? Do I really need to go back to hold em?.. ugh.Part of me is trying to calm myself, reasoning that a month after running $10 to $500, I was probably due for a bit of a downswing.. but meh.. Did it really have to come right after moving to $1/2?

I think the games were nuts at the beginning of the year and was shocked and delighted to see so much running. Now I feel like it's back where I'm used too and still very soft. I think most of the regs are pretty bad and anyone who shows their supernova thing just makes money on fpps. Games are still quite beatable upto 3/6 and probably higher I just haven't played them in a while. Just remember that there is variance in this game, even if it's less than holdem you still can get beat by those morons, but they give it back and then a lot more. What time do you typically play? There are def times where less games run and are nittier but my schedule seems to work that I can get in a good session at night and sometimes during the day. Don't go back to holdem, it's the devil!!

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Man, I took it in the shorts pretty bad last night.... lost 2 buy-ins at 1/2 playing both FR and 6max... First time i've run that bad since I started playing again. Waaaaay too many regulars, not entirely sure the game is overly profitable. Too many people either already doing what I do, or can actually form a solid defense against my insane methods. heh..No specific hands, but if I had a dollar for every time 238T made the nuts against me, I'd be even gdi.I think the time of night I'm playing is working against me, too.. It's not good when I recognize and have "he's solid" notes on at least half of a table. Of course, I'd hate to think I max out profit-wise at .5/1, cuz I used to kill 2/4. Anyone else notice the games have been drying up a little? Do I really need to go back to hold em?.. ugh.Part of me is trying to calm myself, reasoning that a month after running $10 to $500, I was probably due for a bit of a downswing.. but meh.. Did it really have to come right after moving to $1/2?

this is why i only play plo8. one day when i feel comfortable losing a few hundred i will try lo8 again at 5/10 where the rake doesn't really matter. unless you game select tenaciously (or you're really good) i suspect the games aren't that beatable.

[Cappy37 0]

I think the games were nuts at the beginning of the year and was shocked and delighted to see so much running. Now I feel like it's back where I'm used too and still very soft. I think most of the regs are pretty bad and anyone who shows their supernova thing just makes money on fpps. Games are still quite beatable upto 3/6 and probably higher I just haven't played them in a while. Just remember that there is variance in this game, even if it's less than holdem you still can get beat by those morons, but they give it back and then a lot more.

Well, with minimal exceptions, the $1/2 FR games on stars have been *beyond* nitty.. In the span of 5 orbits, I stole 4 blinds and got 3 walks the other night. I don't mind treading water/breaking even, but I'd at least want FPPs for my trouble to compensate the rake a tad.

What time do you typically play? There are def times where less games run and are nittier but my schedule seems to work that I can get in a good session at night and sometimes during the day. Don't go back to holdem, it's the devil!!

I play mainly 9PM-3AM US PST.. And yeah, I've actually sat in on quite a few of your tables. I'd say hey, but usually It's a throwaway .5/1 o8b table or two while I focus on two tables of $1/2 HORSE. It's really getting to the point that I'm thinking exposing HORSE players in Razz/Stud8/O8b is a lot more profitable than playing o8b tables where it's tight as a drum.

this is why i only play plo8. one day when i feel comfortable losing a few hundred i will try lo8 again at 5/10 where the rake doesn't really matter. unless you game select tenaciously (or you're really good) i suspect the games aren't that beatable.

I got a list a page long of people where I won't sit at a table if there is more than 2 of them FR. There's a second list of people who are also regs that I don't mind playing against in the least. ;)I think Seal hit the nail on the head about the new year, though.. I think by mid-feb those who have resolved to play "tighter and better" will revert to old styles and it'll get better.

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I got a list a page long of people where I won't sit at a table if there is more than 2 of them FR. There's a second list of people who are also regs that I don't mind playing against in the least. ;)I think Seal hit the nail on the head about the new year, though.. I think by mid-feb those who have resolved to play "tighter and better" will revert to old styles and it'll get better.

i have a similar list in my head. i'll still sit if there are two really bad players. but such is the structure of big bet games that i can avoid people who are as good as/if not better than me and attack the weak players. i do envy you guys who can beat lo8 though. i doubt i can beat it over .50/1 as i stand right now. one day, that game and stud8....

[Cappy37 0]

i have a similar list in my head. i'll still sit if there are two really bad players. but such is the structure of big bet games that i can avoid people who are as good as/if not better than me and attack the weak players. i do envy you guys who can beat lo8 though. i doubt i can beat it over .50/1 as i stand right now. one day, that game and stud8....

There really isn't much skill in beating LO8, really.. It's the sum of getting paid on big hands, betting big draws, dragging pots with nothing, dragging pots leading with outs and sucking out, letting go of A479-type hands from EP, and folding AAxx like 75% of the time. And flopping huge with KT94 out of the BB. ;)I'd actually go out on a limb and say you can't "beat" FR LO8 for much beyond $1/2 unless a whole influx of new players show up. Stud8 is just a folding party, and straight Stud8 tables aren't exactly brimming with a$$clowns.. You're eating rake playing straight stud8 for the most part.. Stud8 vs Horse players, on the other hand, can be a *lot* of fun.

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Well, with minimal exceptions, the $1/2 FR games on stars have been *beyond* nitty.. In the span of 5 orbits, I stole 4 blinds and got 3 walks the other night. I don't mind treading water/breaking even, but I'd at least want FPPs for my trouble to compensate the rake a tad.I play mainly 9PM-3AM US PST.. And yeah, I've actually sat in on quite a few of your tables. I'd say hey, but usually It's a throwaway .5/1 o8b table or two while I focus on two tables of $1/2 HORSE. It's really getting to the point that I'm thinking exposing HORSE players in Razz/Stud8/O8b is a lot more profitable than playing o8b tables where it's tight as a drum.I got a list a page long of people where I won't sit at a table if there is more than 2 of them FR. There's a second list of people who are also regs that I don't mind playing against in the least. ;)I think Seal hit the nail on the head about the new year, though.. I think by mid-feb those who have resolved to play "tighter and better" will revert to old styles and it'll get better.

I'll have to take your word for it, I put in decently long sessions and play as many tables as possible so I don't really notice if a table is super nitty unless it's the biggest limit I'm playing. FPPs are a huge plus which is why I won't sit lower than .5/1 and don't get as many as I'd like there but being supernova helps a lot. I usually put in a session like 2-6 pm EST and then somewhere between 8 pm and 1 am and the games are much softer at night usually. I think after that it gets tighter at the times you play. I notice when you sit down and could easily chat but figure we've both got more important tables up. It does seem like you leave pretty fast since I've got barely any hands on you.In the end it's all about what you're comfortable with and think you beat. If you think the HORSE players are worse and that you can make more there then keep kicking ass playing it. I love o8 for some reason and feel like I'm maximizing my earn between the cash and fpps while staying in my comfort zone where no loss can be that bad.