DelftDragons 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I assume most of us know about the problem of addicitons and since the beginning of man gambling has been amongst one of the addictive habbits. I was just wondering when a pokerplayer should consider himself an addict.For myself, I play about 4 times a week and play for about $2500 a month. To my standards that is a lot of moneyto put a risk every month. On averidge though I have a monthly profit of about $500, calculated since I've started playing 'seriously'.Could poker be an addiction when your consistantly winning?Or is the fact if your winning or not, not a factor in determining an addiction. Should you look at other aspects such as how does poker affect your social life, are you able to function 'normally' (which is relative) if you don't play?When I don't play for a week I miss it, does that indicate an addiction? If my wife is gone for a week I miss here as well, so it makes sence that things I enjoy doing I miss when I am not doing them.Or is it just that being addicted in itself is not a problem as long as you:-Don't go broke in the real world.-You are still able to maintain a social life.-Don't accumulate huge debts with the Mafia.Would be interested in your thoughts on the subject. Link to post Share on other sites
Veener Schnitz 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I assume most of us know about the problem of addicitons and since the beginning of man gambling has been amongst one of the addictive habbits. I was just wondering when a pokerplayer should consider himself an addict.For myself, I play about 4 times a week and play for about $2500 a month. To my standards that is a lot of moneyto put a risk every month. On averidge though I have a monthly profit of about $500, calculated since I've started playing 'seriously'.Could poker be an addiction when your consistantly winning?Or is the fact if your winning or not, not a factor in determining an addiction. Should you look at other aspects such as how does poker affect your social life, are you able to function 'normally' (which is relative) if you don't play?When I don't play for a week I miss it, does that indicate an addiction? If my wife is gone for a week I miss here as well, so it makes sence that things I enjoy doing I miss when I am not doing them.Or is it just that being addicted in itself is not a problem as long as you:-Don't go broke in the real world.-You are still able to maintain a social life.-Don't accumulate huge debts with the Mafia.Would be interested in your thoughts on the subject.I believe they call consistently winning making a living.. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I assume most of us know about the problem of addicitons and since the beginning of man gambling has been amongst one of the addictive habbits. I was just wondering when a pokerplayer should consider himself an addict.For myself, I play about 4 times a week and play for about $2500 a month. To my standards that is a lot of moneyto put a risk every month. On averidge though I have a monthly profit of about $500, calculated since I've started playing 'seriously'.Could poker be an addiction when your consistantly winning?Or is the fact if your winning or not, not a factor in determining an addiction. Should you look at other aspects such as how does poker affect your social life, are you able to function 'normally' (which is relative) if you don't play?When I don't play for a week I miss it, does that indicate an addiction? If my wife is gone for a week I miss here as well, so it makes sence that things I enjoy doing I miss when I am not doing them.Or is it just that being addicted in itself is not a problem as long as you:-Don't go broke in the real world.-You are still able to maintain a social life.-Don't accumulate huge debts with the Mafia.Would be interested in your thoughts on the subject.If you have an issue with gambling, you know it! Whether you're willing to admit it is another thing.... being addicted to gambling is a sickness, you feel like a degenrate just tossing money around, sometimes you don't even care if you win, you just want to gamble... being a successful poker player, takes advantage of every asset an addicted gambler doesn't have... And even gambling in other forms isn't nessecarily a sickness as long you are seeing the situation looking for spots to get money in good, too good to turn down... Being an addict is a constant state of life tilt... Link to post Share on other sites
StickyBun 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I believe they call consistently winning making a living..At $500 a month? They call that poverty. An addiction usually means it negatively impacts other parts of your life, i.e. family time, social time, real job time, interacting with real people time, etc. Don't fool yourself into thinking because you make a small profit, that its okay if it negatively impacts you every day in some other form. Too many young people don't look at things realistically or with much perspective. Take a hard, honest look at your life and you'll find the answer. Enjoying it and missing it when you don't play isn't an addiction. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 you think you have an addiction?Ever suck dick for crack? Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 If you have an issue with gambling, you know it! Whether you're willing to admit it is another thing.... being addicted to gambling is a sickness, you feel like a degenrate just tossing money around, sometimes you don't even care if you win, you just want to gamble... being a successful poker player, takes advantage of every asset an addicted gambler doesn't have... And even gambling in other forms isn't nessecarily a sickness as long you are seeing the situation looking for spots to get money in good, too good to turn down... Being an addict is a constant state of life tilt...I don't think this word means what you think it means. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 There's no such thing as an addiction to gambling.Unless someone is forcing you at gunpoint to gamble, it's your own free choice... you are doing exactly what you want (and like) to do. I would call it a selfish greed, rather than 'an addiction'. It's usually a case where people have lost money and they want to gamble higher, or chase, to get it back. Well, that's selfish, and greedy, NOT an addiction.I don't care what any gambling addiction groups, or psychological analysts or 'treatment groups' or whoever else say. Load of bs... if you're gambling away your money/social life/friends etc, it's just you, being selfish. All the 'ohhh, no.. it's not me, honest! I have an addiction, feel sorry for me.' Whatever..There is no addiction, so just deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I don't think this word means what you think it means.Addict:–noun: a person who is addicted to an activity, habit, or substanceAddicted:–adjective: devoted or given up to a practice or habit or to something psychologically or physically habit-forming Addiction:–noun the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Definitions do not do justice to the actual feeling of being an addict, nor the effects it has on you mentally emotionally and physically.... it is a constant state of life tilt.... if you'd ever been one you'd know... Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 There's no such thing as an addiction to gambling.Unless someone is forcing you at gunpoint to gamble, it's your own free choice... you are doing exactly what you want (and like) to do. I would call it a selfish greed, rather than 'an addiction'. It's usually a case where people have lost money and they want to gamble higher, or chase, to get it back. Well, that's selfish, and greedy, NOT an addiction.I don't care what any gambling addiction groups, or psychological analysts or 'treatment groups' or whoever else say. Load of bs... if you're gambling away your money/social life/friends etc, it's just you, being selfish. All the 'ohhh, no.. it's not me, honest! I have an addiction, feel sorry for me.' Whatever..There is no addiction, so just deal with it.You're so far off, and have no idea.... Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Definitions do not do justice to the actual feeling of being an addict, nor the effects it has on you mentally emotionally and physically.... it is a constant state of life tilt.... if you'd ever been one you'd know...I know what addiction means. What I'm saying, is that I don't really feel like you know what you're talking about. Maybe you should sit this one out.EDIT:The next argument will be whether or not addiction is a disease.We'll still have people like bigcoled who don't really have a clue about addiction but still act like experts.Some flames too, then this thread will die.Can it just die now, since this argument is stupid? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/qna.html Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 There's no such thing as an addiction to gambling.Unless someone is forcing you at gunpoint to gamble, it's your own free choice... you are doing exactly what you want (and like) to do. I would call it a selfish greed, rather than 'an addiction'. It's usually a case where people have lost money and they want to gamble higher, or chase, to get it back. Well, that's selfish, and greedy, NOT an addiction.I don't care what any gambling addiction groups, or psychological analysts or 'treatment groups' or whoever else say. Load of bs... if you're gambling away your money/social life/friends etc, it's just you, being selfish. All the 'ohhh, no.. it's not me, honest! I have an addiction, feel sorry for me.' Whatever..There is no addiction, so just deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I know what addiction means. What I'm saying, is that I don't really feel like you know what you're talking about. Maybe you should sit this one out.EDIT:The next argument will be whether or not addiction is a disease.We'll still have people like bigcoled who don't really have a clue about addiction but still act like experts.Some flames too, then this thread will die.Can it just die now, since this argument is stupid?I take this very personally... Addiction ruined a large portion of my still young life... I feel no need to explain myself to you... you indeed are the one without a clue.... and you are now in my mind the scum of the earth..... I was trying to help the OP understand addiction..... my bad i guess... Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 I take this very personally... Addiction ruined a large portion of my still young life... I feel no need to explain myself to you... you indeed are the one without a clue.... and you are now in my mind the scum of the earth..... I was trying to help the OP understand addiction..... my bad i guess...I'm not asking for you to explain yourself, so go ahead and save your time.I'm just saying that I don't really think you know what you're talking about, regardless of whether or not you were or are an addict.You can be an ex-addict and still be an idiot, is my point. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 What don't you agree with? I'm really interested in hearing this.... I'm sure you're missinterpretting something and deciding to be a ****ing jackass.... do us all a favor and jump off a mother ****ing cliff... Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 What don't you agree with? I'm really interested in hearing this.... I'm sure you're missinterpretting something and deciding to be a ****ing jackass.... do us all a favor and jump off a mother ****ing cliff...Easy there princess.I'm just saying that you shouldn't neccessarily prance around like you're an expert on the subject, when you've already admitted that your only expertise in the matter is being an addict yourself.Do you understand?It's pretty funny to me that you're calling me names after you made a staking thread the other day, and then proceeded to throw it in the faces of those who took you seriously by calling it an April Fools joke. Do you see why? Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 What is it to be an addict... When you never measure the cost or risk (whether it's ODing, missing an important event for one of your children, borrowing money, missing classes and flunking out of college, stealing money) just putting your addiction before all things, anything to just fullfill your need, then think about everything afterwards. then spend ever minute of your life when you aren't fullfilling your addiction, either thinking about it, or running around, completely stressed out trying to put together pieces of your life, apologise, or make up for things that happened while you were off filling your addiction. You feel like while you're filling your addiction you want to be far away from your family or those close to you whom do not have the same addiction, or at least an affinity towards it. Your conscience is always eatingat you knowing your are doing wrong, knowing you are pushing people away, but you can't stop, because the more you do it the more it overcomes your mind, the more it eats at you and blocks out all other thoughts... It drives you crazy, it pulls everything out of you emotionally physically and mentally... It starts with one taste and grows and becomes a monster that turns your life into a disgusting pit of denile and greed that you can no longer control alone. Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 group hug Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 What is it to be an addict... When you never measure the cost or risk (whether it's ODing, missing an important event for one of your children, borrowing money, missing classes and flunking out of college, stealing money) just putting your addiction before all things, anything to just fullfill your need, then think about everything afterwards. then spend ever minute of your life when you aren't fullfilling your addiction, either thinking about it, or running around, completely stressed out trying to put together pieces of your life, apologise, or make up for things that happened while you were off filling your addiction. You feel like while you're filling your addiction you want to be far away from your family or those close to you whom do not have the same addiction, or at least an affinity towards it. Your conscience is always eatingat you knowing your are doing wrong, knowing you are pushing people away, but you can't stop, because the more you do it the more it overcomes your mind, the more it eats at you and blocks out all other thoughts... It drives you crazy, it pulls everything out of you emotionally physically and mentally... It starts with one taste and grows and becomes a monster that turns your life into a disgusting pit of denile and greed that you can no longer control alone.I don't know whether to yawn or lol. Link to post Share on other sites
bigcoled 1 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Easy there princess.I'm just saying that you shouldn't neccessarily prance around like you're an expert on the subject, when you've already admitted that your only expertise in the matter is being an addict yourself.Do you understand?It's pretty funny to me that you're calling me names after you made a staking thread the other day, and then proceeded to throw it in the faces of those who took you seriously by calling it an April Fools joke. Do you see why?NO i do not see at all, nothing you are saying is at all relevent.... btw I'm not the addict.... it was my dad... get off your high horse ****knob.... you don't know everything...SURPRISE!...kill yourself, princess... Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 group hugYou have been quite the nice guy/peacemaker on this site the last couple of weeks...did you have some sort of an epiphany or something? I don't ever remember you being THIS nice before. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 NO i do not see at all, nothing you are saying is at all relevent.... btw I'm not the addict.... it was my dad... get off your high horse ****knob.... you don't know everything...SURPRISE!...kill yourself, princess...Relax there bro, just because one person doubts you theres no need for all the hateful talk. Just reply intelligently and move beyond childish flaming, especially if the subject really is close to you. Link to post Share on other sites
James D 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Ok, tell me why you think that? Because I stand by what I say. It's just selfishness.There is no addiction. It's so very easy to shift the blame away from yourself, and blame things on an 'addiction' in todays society. Exactly the same can be applied to many things.. fat people claim they are addicted to food. No, they just like food. There's sex addiction. No, just a high sex drive. Exactly the same as gambling addiction. No, just a desire to win money and the rush of winning a big pot, or scooping a jackpot, or getting yourself out of debt, quickly, without working for it.I hate this attitude in todays society that people have, of always wanting to shift the blame away from themselves.. 'It's not me, it's the addiction', lol what a joke.I will never feel sorry for anyone who claims they have a gambling addiction, and wants pity for it. They can always go to one of the organisations who will gladly take more of your money to help you though (they'll tell you it's an addiction, oh yeah.. cha-ching!).I've said what I think, so I'll prob not bother replying to people who disagree, because I'll be repeating myself - I guess it's a forum which may attract people who have had issues of this nature, so I know they'll be many.Keep feeling sorry for yourselves though. Remember, it's not you, it's the 'addiction' Link to post Share on other sites
cardcore 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Most professional players are addicted to poker, you kind of have to be./thread Link to post Share on other sites
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