CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 While playing some donkaments, I pulled up some cash tables. A couple of times, I declined to sit at an open 5/10 seat because this guy was too juicy...Bodog 3/6 NLHE (4-handed)CO $1815Cobalt $843Cobalt is Button w/ . For what it's worth, I'm probably viewed as TAG, though I have been picking on frequent open limpers (with relatively legit hands). CO is really rather bad. I've got extensive notes on him that he's quite willing to go broke with top pair, no kicker. Earlier, he called a raise from a guy pre-flop w/ A7s, flopped top pair, bet/called a large check/raise, and then called the turn all-in w/ TP+NFD...and spiked the flush for a $1600 pot. As far as his aggression level, I'd guess it's about average. This is the first time I've seen him take this line...or possibly anyone ever take this line.Pre-flop:CO calls, Cobalt raises to $26, 2 folds, CO raises to $50, Cobalt callsFlop ($109): (2 players)CO bets $6, Cobalt callsTurn ($121): (2 players)CO bets $121, Cobalt callsRiver ($363): (2 players)CO checks, Cobalt checksFinal Pot: $363 Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Use them and let's start trying to get value on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
AKProdigy 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 As played, I like the check behind on the river. I probably raise the flop though, if more to define my hand than anything. An overcard on the turn would make this hand much more difficult to play. Does villlain limp/reraise often? Have you seen him minraise before? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 i have this problem lately where i turn in a weak calling station when i'm playing against a super donk. it hasn't been effective. your play actually reminds me of several hands that i have looked at that i have played in the past few weeks. i think the flop is a must raise. as played i'm fine with river. Link to post Share on other sites
Kid DynOmite 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I raise the flop. Oftentimes that little bet is what some geniuses like to call a "defensive bet". They believe that you will only call them and they get to sneak a peak at the turn for $6. I'd put him on a draw after that bet and raise the heck out of him on the flop... But then again I play FAR more sngs than cash games so I am by no means the best poster on this site. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Use them and let's start trying to get value on the flop.yeah that is really a dream flop for JJ imo.i really don't know what min bet, pot bet, check means...I really hope he had a flush here LOL! (no offense but I can just see how a donkey would play it like that) Link to post Share on other sites
IBFT 0 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Villain has something like the Ah Ks. He did a 6 dollar c-bet, you called. He picked up the NFD on the turn, bet his hand for value. He missed his draw on the river, figured there was no value in betting, checked.Or he had the Ah Qx, and rivered you. Either way, I think you have to raise the flop. Even if you raise it to 125 or whatever, you're spending the same amount as you did by calling the bet on the turn.Hm, but by saying this... maybe you made more money by playing it passively. Raising might not get a worse hand to call.I don't know. Once you flat call the flop, you cant really raise UI on the turn or river. I'm so confused. Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Raise flop to $12. Don't get intimidated by that shit. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 What sort of hand do you feel he shows up with here where we're ahead and get value by raising the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 LOL limpmin-raisemin-betpot betcheckThis isn't someone who's paying attention to their game. I don't mind the check behind. Someone taking this unorthodox line may have rivered the best hand and is waiting for you to bet their hand for them. I think you're asking if 1/10th of their stack is enough value from J with a 9 high flop? Maybe not but I can accept it. I would have raised the flop, but I can be donkish with JJ. His limp min-raise PF is a 1/2 donk line I've seen so many times with QQ +/- live that it's not even funny. I think someone who takes this line is exploitable in many different situations. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 What sort of hand do you feel he shows up with here where we're ahead and get value by raising the flop?AK,AQ Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Raise flop to $12. Don't get intimidated by that shit.Good idea. What do you do when he reps a lot of strength by 3 betting you to $18? Link to post Share on other sites
IBFT 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Good idea. What do you do when he reps a lot of strength by 3 betting you to $18?Kick him in the shin under the table? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Kick him in the shin under the table?How do you do that on tha intarweb? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 How do you do that on tha intarweb?eKick.Facebook ftw. Link to post Share on other sites
IBFT 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 How do you do that on tha intarweb?SighIn my haste, I didnt realize that this was an interweb hand. Im so used to Cobalt playing live:(Instead of kicking his shins, perhaps you could find out his AIM screen name and try to cyber his wife? That would be fair punishment for such retardation, imo.I'd call the 3-bet to $18, btw. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 LMFAOthat is all Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Uhm I'm capping if he raises to 18, and by capping i mean raising all in Link to post Share on other sites
tskillz187 0 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 If he throws in the reraise 3rd minbet in the hand, he has the nuts. Hand over! I muck face up and show him that I read his soul. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 AK,AQAnd you feel that those hands call a raise? (Villain was bad, but he'd probably dump non-pair, non-draws.) Or are worried about them drawing out? Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 And you feel that those hands call a raise? (Villain was bad, but he'd probably dump non-pair, non-draws.) Or are worried about them drawing out?Yeah, they'll call 30. Or they can fold and lose their equity. I'm OK either way. I interpret the 6 as an absurd blocking bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Anyone think he tried to type out 60 on the flop and only hit the 6?I've had players minbet flops trying to induce a raise. If that's the case here, he panicked on the turn when the heart hit, which leads me to believe he has an overpair without a heart. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Anyone think he tried to type out 60 on the flop and only hit the 6?I've had players minbet flops trying to induce a raise. If that's the case here, he panicked on the turn when the heart hit, which leads me to believe he has an overpair without a heart.You and your fancy schmancy "reads"Go back to petting your pug! Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted April 2, 2008 Author Share Posted April 2, 2008 Dave, if we pop the flop and he re-pops us...don't we risk folding the best hand and/or inflating the pot when we're unsure of our position? He could go crazy with something that we've got beat. We're never getting him to fold a better hand, and if he's behind, he probably only has 2-6 outs. Why not practice a little pot control on the flop and increase our equity edge? Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Anyone think he tried to type out 60 on the flop and only hit the 6?no, simply because he hit the pot button on the turn... (Cobalt has history, i don't). Most Bodog players are impatient shortcut whores. I've had players minbet flops trying to induce a raise. If that's the case here, he panicked on the turn when the heart hit, which leads me to believe he has an overpair without a heart.I'd say this is spot on... but I don't play high enough... and still it's not enough to fold the turn.I can still see this being some retarded A - Broadway combo with a heart involved a ton... so I like a passive line on most anything.But I'm out of my league here Dave, if we pop the flop and he re-pops us...don't we risk folding the best hand and/or inflating the pot when we're unsure of our position? He could go crazy with something that we've got beat.Ok... I know this is not applicable in strat talk... but if he's gonna go crazy with something you have beat on the flop, you're taking his money later... and everybody knows this Link to post Share on other sites
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