HubDub04 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Or do they let the players play rake free because it's good business to have the best players in the world playing in their room @ Bellagio?When I was @ Bellagio I couldn't tell if they were taking a rake (Sammy and Brian Townsend were playing during last years WSOP and I watched a few hands). Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Or do they let the players play rake free because it's good business to have the best players in the world playing in their room @ Bellagio?When I was @ Bellagio I couldn't tell if they were taking a rake (Sammy and Brian Townsend were playing during last years WSOP and I watched a few hands).Discussed at length before and I think we settled on "Time charge." Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 there have actually been a thread or two about this and I believe the answer each time was there is not a rake, but they pay time instead Link to post Share on other sites
MrJohn 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Are all High Stakes room's time charged? I remember Jamie Gold talking about a game held in one of the back rooms at The Venetian in one of the PAD episodes.Wonder how much these rooms are charged for by the hour. Link to post Share on other sites
Asimo 1 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 there is not a rake, but they pay time insteadLike almost any other game over $5-$10 NL in Vegas...Bobby's Room is just a room for high stakes games... Does that mean if there is a table full unknown players playing in that room that they don't have to pay a drop???? Come on people, the house is always going to get their cut!If I'm not mistaken I think the big game at the huster is dropped at $60/player/half hour. Link to post Share on other sites
HubDub04 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Author Share Posted March 28, 2008 Like almost any other game over $5-$10 NL in Vegas...Bobby's Room is just a room for high stakes games... Does that mean if there is a table full unknown players playing in that room that they don't have to pay a drop???? Come on people, the house is always going to get their cut!If I'm not mistaken I think the big game at the huster is dropped at $60/player/half hour. If that's true then that's crazy.I don't care if you have $200,000 cash on the table. $120/hour is way to expensive. LOL @ paying over $2000.00 just to play for 24 hours.No wonder everyone is playing online nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Time charge. $100/half hour from what I have heard. obv. that amount could be wrong seeing as I dont play in that game! Also I think the amount of the time charge is based on the stakes being played. $20-$40 doesnt pay the same as $2000-$4000. Thats why before the poker boom a lot of casinos were shutting down their poker rooms cause they could make much more with slot machines in there. Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 If that's true then that's crazy.I don't care if you have $200,000 cash on the table. $120/hour is way to expensive. LOL @ paying over $2000.00 just to play for 24 hours.No wonder everyone is playing online nowadays.Or would you rather they do 5-10% of the pot, every pot? Link to post Share on other sites
freak2304 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I obv. don't play at stakes that high, but I would think that once you reach a certain level (50/100 and up or so) that it levels off when it comes to the rake. I mean, for the most part, the casino and dealers are doing the EXACT same thing in the 1000/2000 game as they are in the 2/5 game. I don't think because there's 200x+ or more money on the table in the latter that it should affect how much the casino pays.Edit: and I think i've posted almost this same post in all the threads regarding this subject! Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I actually heard daniel neg talking about this on poker after dark with chau I think. They said it was 20.00 an hour. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 If that's true then that's crazy.I don't care if you have $200,000 cash on the table. $120/hour is way to expensive. LOL @ paying over $2000.00 just to play for 24 hours.No wonder everyone is playing online nowadays.I've paid $12/hr playing 1/2nlThat's 6bb's an hour.Lets say they pay $100/hr, for the sake of making the math easier.That's 1/40th of a bb/hr$2400 for a full 24 hours would be just over one small blind.I think they're doing fine. Link to post Share on other sites
freak2304 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I've paid $12/hr playing 1/2nlThat's 6bb's an hour.Lets say they pay $100/hr, for the sake of making the math easier.That's 1/40th of a bb/hr$2400 for a full 24 hours would be just over one small blind.I think they're doing fine.I don't think looking at it in that aspect is fair at all. Why pay 8.3 times as much (using your example) for the same service? (IMO) Link to post Share on other sites
dtblizz 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I don't think looking at it in that aspect is fair at all. Why pay 8.3 times as much (using your example) for the same service? (IMO)private room, better dealers, special rules, better food and drinks?...I'm sure they get something for their money. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 private room, better dealers, special rules, better food and drinks?...I'm sure they get something for their money.You can bet the costs of having a room with $million on the table costs more than a room with $thousand on the table. At least, if I were running a casino, it would cost more. Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 private room, better dealers, special rules, better food and drinks?...I'm sure they get something for their money.People are so wrong in this thread... $100/hr? Are you crazy? Its 20-30/hr (cant remember exactly) and no, it doesnt go up when the limits go up. If you are playing 10-20nl live it is the same time charge as 2000-4000. To be honest when I last went to Vegas and played 15/30 Im suprised they didnt charge for time, but instead took a rake. They stop taking a rake when the chip demoninations are too big to change out.And the bolded above is all wrong. The dealers that deal 3-6LHE deal 2000-4000. Its just a rotation that the dealers have. The bigger games do different things than lower stakes game, but that is because they all agree on it. If you were playing 2-5NL and everyone agreed that the button had to put on a $20 ante it would happen. The casino will/should cater to anything the whole table agrees upon. And they dont get anything different for their money than any other player gets, except a closed off room.Also, at least at the Bellagio, you can order top shelf drinks no matter what limit you are at.Edit: Also, some places instead of charging time in a game where rake is too hard to get every pot they will have a "collection pot". A collection pot happens every 30min and a certain % up to a certain amount is taken. It plays like a normal hand, but there is a button that the dealer puts out on the table. Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 I don't think looking at it in that aspect is fair at all. Why pay 8.3 times as much (using your example) for the same service? (IMO)Exactly, that is why all time charge is the same no matter what limit you are at. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Edit: Also, some places instead of charging time in a game where rake is too hard to get every pot they will have a "collection pot". A collection pot happens every 30min and a certain % up to a certain amount is taken. It plays like a normal hand, but there is a button that the dealer puts out on the table.Wouldn't it be best to fold there then? Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Wouldn't it be best to fold there then?Some people will not play in the collection pot. But usually the limit is so high it really dont matter. But what you said some people do. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 People are so wrong in this thread...word.$100/hr? Are you crazy? Its 20-30/hr (cant remember exactly) and no, it doesnt go up when the limits go up.you've played a lot of 2K-4K then? i haven't, but then again i wouldn't start calling people wrong about their guesses. i just called the bellagio poker room and they said that the 10/20 rake is $7/hr and the 25/50 rake is $9/hr. so yes, it does go up.To be honest when I last went to Vegas and played 15/30 Im suprised they didnt charge for time, but instead took a rake. They stop taking a rake when the chip demoninations are too big to change out.it's probably a casino or state preference, and another lolo to $5 chips being too large to change out. fwiw, everything i've played up to 40/80 has been raked from each pot. edit: the 20/40 O8 at the wynn may have been time charge.And the bolded above is all wrong. The dealers that deal 3-6LHE deal 2000-4000. Its just a rotation that the dealers have. The bigger games do different things than lower stakes game, but that is because they all agree on it. If you were playing 2-5NL and everyone agreed that the button had to put on a $20 ante it would happen. The casino will/should cater to anything the whole table agrees upon. And they dont get anything different for their money than any other player gets, except a closed off room.hmmm. i would guess that they would get private security and chip pick up. i don't know about something like a crystal comp, but it wouldn't surprise me.if you have a more private knowledge of the game, it helps to clarify that so that your statements have more credibility. Link to post Share on other sites
mhoward29 0 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 word.you've played a lot of 2K-4K then? i haven't, but then again i wouldn't start calling people wrong about their guesses. i just called the bellagio poker room and they said that the 10/20 rake is $7/hr and the 25/50 rake is $9/hr. so yes, it does go up.it's probably a casino or state preference, and another lolo to $5 chips being too large to change out. fwiw, everything i've played up to 40/80 has been raked from each pot. edit: the 20/40 O8 at the wynn may have been time charge.hmmm. i would guess that they would get private security and chip pick up. i don't know about something like a crystal comp, but it wouldn't surprise me.if you have a more private knowledge of the game, it helps to clarify that so that your statements have more credibility.Obv no 2k/4k, but Daniel talked about it (in a blog I believe or a post) and it wasnt near $100hr.Were I have played and sweated in bigger NL games all the games that were time charged were the same price. Sorry the B is different. Also if you have ever watched "Live at the Bike" they have talked about the time charge being the same. It is also where I knew that in some games they do a collection pot.I guess I shouldnt have said suprised, but I thought that maybe the 15/30 would have just been charged time. I know that dealers hate changing out chips and dealing hi/lo games because it reduces the amount of hands they deal/hr, which lessens the amount of tips they get.Anyone can get a chip pick up and private security anywhere on a casino's property.If you have more private knowledge about ONE CASINO's game, it helps to check MORE THAN ONE CASINO to help clarify your statements credibility. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Obv no 2k/4k, but Daniel talked about it (in a blog I believe or a post) and it wasnt near $100hr.Were I have played and sweated in bigger NL games all the games that were time charged were the same price. Sorry the B is different. Also if you have ever watched "Live at the Bike" they have talked about the time charge being the same. It is also where I knew that in some games they do a collection pot.I guess I shouldnt have said suprised, but I thought that maybe the 15/30 would have just been charged time. I know that dealers hate changing out chips and dealing hi/lo games because it reduces the amount of hands they deal/hr, which lessens the amount of tips they get.Anyone can get a chip pick up and private security anywhere on a casino's property.If you have more private knowledge about ONE CASINO's game, it helps to check MORE THAN ONE CASINO to help clarify your statements credibility.sigh. good response.goodluck. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted March 28, 2008 Share Posted March 28, 2008 Also if you have ever watched "Live at the Bike" they have talked about the time charge being the same. It is also where I knew that in some games they do a collection pot.fwiw, the 5/10 drops.when we do the collection pot at the bike it's when the game gets short handed. we usually throw in $10 a piece, and the dealer chops it while the hand is in progress so people don't end up with a bunch of $1s. and obviously it's the same drop as normal. Link to post Share on other sites
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