Aq. Value In A River Raise?

[little punish 0]

Hand #51644340-20 at Thu9pmBounty-017 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)Started at 13/Mar/08 21:26:20 Mister SGB is at seat 0 with 1450. AMajorPain is at seat 1 with 2395. nuttinatall is at seat 3 with 1295. afrobubs is at seat 4 with 1085. sideburns27 is at seat 5 with 2065. mailman323 is at seat 6 with 3135. IFuCanCatchMe is at seat 7 with 1480. Flipendo2007 is at seat 8 with 1500. refff is at seat 9 with 2095. The button is at seat 1. nuttinatall posts the small blind of 15. afrobubs posts the big blind of 30. Mister SGB: -- -- AMajorPain: -- -- nuttinatall: -- -- afrobubs: Qc As sideburns27: -- -- mailman323: -- -- IFuCanCatchMe: -- -- Flipendo2007: -- -- refff: -- --Pre-flop: sideburns27 folds. mailman323 folds. IFuCanCatchMe folds. Flipendo2007 folds. refff folds. Mister SGB folds. AMajorPain folds. nuttinatall calls. afrobubs raises to 90. nuttinatall calls. Flop (board: 5d 8d 5s): nuttinatall checks. afrobubs checks. Turn (board: 5d 8d 5s 7c): nuttinatall checks. afrobubs checks. River (board: 5d 8d 5s 7c Ac): nuttinatall bets 180. afrobubs ??? ------------------------------------------------------------I feel like I played this hand alright, but my buddy was telling me that I should have raised the river. My thoughts on the hand were this:1. By not c-betting the flop and checking behind on the turn, my hand was essentially face up.2. When villain bets pot on river, there is absolutely 0 value in raising. He is not pot-betting a worse ace, 8, or 7.3. Because I did not know where I was at and may be beat by a straight, 5, or Aces up, but felt like I was ahead most of the time, I decided to just call about 18% of my stack.Please tell me your thoughts. It would have been different had I led the flop but I did not want to get raised as that flop misses me most of the time.

[TravisG 0]

no (t much) value in raising.

[copernicus 0]

Hand #51644340-20 at Thu9pmBounty-017 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)Started at 13/Mar/08 21:26:20 Mister SGB is at seat 0 with 1450. AMajorPain is at seat 1 with 2395. nuttinatall is at seat 3 with 1295. afrobubs is at seat 4 with 1085. sideburns27 is at seat 5 with 2065. mailman323 is at seat 6 with 3135. IFuCanCatchMe is at seat 7 with 1480. Flipendo2007 is at seat 8 with 1500. refff is at seat 9 with 2095. The button is at seat 1. nuttinatall posts the small blind of 15. afrobubs posts the big blind of 30. Mister SGB: -- -- AMajorPain: -- -- nuttinatall: -- -- afrobubs: Qc As sideburns27: -- -- mailman323: -- -- IFuCanCatchMe: -- -- Flipendo2007: -- -- refff: -- --Pre-flop: sideburns27 folds. mailman323 folds. IFuCanCatchMe folds. Flipendo2007 folds. refff folds. Mister SGB folds. AMajorPain folds. nuttinatall calls. afrobubs raises to 90. nuttinatall calls. Flop (board: 5d 8d 5s): nuttinatall checks. afrobubs checks. Turn (board: 5d 8d 5s 7c): nuttinatall checks. afrobubs checks. River (board: 5d 8d 5s 7c Ac): nuttinatall bets 180. afrobubs ??? ------------------------------------------------------------I feel like I played this hand alright, but my buddy was telling me that I should have raised the river. My thoughts on the hand were this:1. By not c-betting the flop and checking behind on the turn, my hand was essentially face up.2. When villain bets pot on river, there is absolutely 0 value in raising. He is not pot-betting a worse ace, 8, or 7.3. Because I did not know where I was at and may be beat by a straight, 5, or Aces up, but felt like I was ahead most of the time, I decided to just call about 18% of my stack.Please tell me your thoughts. It would have been different had I led the flop but I did not want to get raised as that flop misses me most of the time.

1. And therein lies the problem. Even with two players in the hand this is a good flop to c-bet.2. Why wouldnt a worse Ace bet the pot? 3. To rephrase this, you are probably only getting called by better hands, so just call.Oh, and raise more PF.

[Wingman008 0]

Call, if we raise and get called, they are going to be beating us a majority of the time. I can't see us folding in this spot either.

[little punish 0]

2. Why wouldnt a worse Ace bet the pot? Oh, and raise more PF.

Like I said, I was only trying to discuss my river decision. As is evident, there is 0 value in raising the river. I don't think he is pot-betting a worse ace hardly ever because I did not c-bet the flop or the turn. My hand looks like a big ace.Copernicus: Would you be raising to 120 p/f?

[copernicus 0]

Like I said, I was only trying to discuss my river decision. As is evident, there is 0 value in raising the river. I don't think he is pot-betting a worse ace hardly ever because I did not c-bet the flop or the turn. My hand looks like a big ace.Copernicus: Would you be raising to 120 p/f?

Sorry .... the HH was a little hard to read and I didnt realise it was bvb, and I totally screwed up my answer.first, I wouldnt raise at all PF. With stacks this deep id rather play for a big hand.Then, even as played I dont think your hand looks like a big A at all. Most big As will c-bet that flop and/or bet the turn. Even though your hand is so under-repped I still dont think its a raise on the river.