BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Duh. Okay, I feel like an idiot. I haven't had tracking software or stats since my hard drive crashed in like November b/c I'm too cheap to buy tracking software for the super low stakes games I've been playing, but back in the day I probably did have situations like you describe. Though, I'm not sure I as ever very successful with them, but that's neither here nor there.Well, basically the idea is, if there's a maniac, and you have position on him, you should 3 bet to isolate with ace high ( or, conversely, three bet for value, take control of the hand, and push out the BB, like Dink did. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I love Bob's feel good hands. This hand was from a session last night. I don't know what anyone thinks about XXKasXperlaXX's game. Usually, I'll only take a note when someone does something unusual. This means I won't necessarily have notes on lag/tag regs. In this case, the reg had only played the BB so my stats hadn't popped up yet. I recognized his name and saw that I had a note. The note said something like, good hand reader, very aggro, 3bet light in pos. This simple note allowed me to take this line:PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 3 , A Hero raises, 2 folds, BB callsFlop: (4.5 SB) 2 , 3 , 7 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB callsTurn: (5.25 BB) 3 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsRiver: (7.25 BB) 7 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB callsTotal pot: $37 (9.25 BB) | Rake: $1Results:BB mucked 2 , Q (two pair, sevens and threes).Hero had 3 , A (full house, threes over sevens).Outcome: Hero won $36and all was well in my world Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 So my girlfriend is on spring break and we're spending it at her parents' house (her choice, something about missing her family, blahblahblah) so I'm playing on their wireless. 2 Big fish were sitting in a 100/200 game and the internet has been solid for 2 days straight so I couldn't resist. The stress from this hand took 3 years off my life. (Unconverted to show disconnect) In the time I was disconnected, I had to throw on some underwear, sprint downstairs into a room with both my gf's sister and mother, reset the internet, and sprint back up. I made it was about 3 seconds to spare. River check is terribad given the read I have now, but I was soooo effing stressed I couldn't think well. I quit on my next BB.PokerStars Game #25948183629: Hold'em Limit ($100/$200) - 2009/03/14 10:07:02 ETTable 'Icarion' 6-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: redhookesb ($7309 in chips)Seat 3: Kenny855 ($5294.50 in chips)Seat 4: DooshDotCom ($4000 in chips)Seat 5: Superflous14 ($3833 in chips)Seat 6: thaaj2004 ($9857 in chips)Kenny855: posts small blind $50DooshDotCom: posts big blind $100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Kenny855 [Ac 7c]Superflous14: raises $100 to $200thaaj2004: foldsredhookesb: foldsKenny855: raises $100 to $300DooshDotCom: calls $200Superflous14: calls $100*** FLOP *** [5c 7d 2c]Kenny855: bets $100DooshDotCom: raises $100 to $200Superflous14: calls $200Kenny855: raises $100 to $300DooshDotCom: calls $100Superflous14: calls $100*** TURN *** [5c 7d 2c] [2h]Kenny855 is disconnectedKenny855 has timed out while disconnectedKenny855: checksDooshDotCom: bets $200Superflous14: calls $200Kenny855 is connectedKenny855: raises $200 to $400DooshDotCom: foldsSuperflous14: calls $200*** RIVER *** [5c 7d 2c 2h] [6d]Kenny855: checksSuperflous14: checks*** SHOW DOWN ***Kenny855: shows [Ac 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Deuces)Superflous14: mucks handKenny855 collected $2798 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $2800 | Rake $2Board [5c 7d 2c 2h 6d]Seat 1: redhookesb (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Kenny855 (small blind) showed [Ac 7c] and won ($2798) with two pair, Sevens and DeucesSeat 4: DooshDotCom (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 5: Superflous14 mucked [Ah Jh]Seat 6: thaaj2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)My attempt at the funnyhttp://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=2009031502463443 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I'm guessing these games are more aggressive overall than what I'm used to, but I've never been in a game where 3-betting A7s seemed like a good idea. Can you talk about that?Others have made good comments about this already but I wanted to add something.What you really need to do is not view a hand as having an intrinsic static value. Against some players and in some games a hand like that should be an insta fold and in others it's a 3-bet.There are other reasons to 3-bet the hand other than just the fact that the opener is a cannon with a huge range. You can also 3-bet light players who while they don't have a huge range will play too fit or foldy and will give up on the flop if they miss. This was the basic strategy behind the early successful aggressive players who could blow people out of hands.My attempt at the funnyhttp://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=2009031502463443 Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 A few LOL moments from a live 4-8 game last night-Player raises pre-flop from the SB, bets the flop gets 2 callers, bets the turn gets 1 caller, open farrells river-Player checks behind on the river in a 3-way pot with 10s Js 3h 4d 5s and tables As Ks-2 way pot the whole time, Button raised PF and bets all 3 streets on a Kh Qh 3h 7s Ad board...BB check calls down and shows Ac 4s for the scoop-I raise JJ from the BB, 4 callers, flop Js 8d 4h, bet get 3 callers, turn 9s, bet 2 callers, river 7h, I check and fold to a bet and a raise, Villian shows 10-3o for the win-BBJ is sitting at an all time high of $189K and requires Aces full of Queens or better beaten with both hole cards playing. Hasn't been hit in months. Close call #1: I raise from BB with AA 5 callers, flop comes Ah Qh Jd, I bet get 3 callers, turn 2s, I bet get 1 caller, river Qs, I bet, villian raises so I'm freerolling at this point and will either win the pot or win 50% of the BBJ, re-raise, villian caps and tables JJ, doh!!-BBJ close call #2: 4 way action on the flop, Ax Kx Qx, MP bets, gets raised by CO and calls, turn 2x, bet call, river Ax, MP bets, raise, re-raise...at this point the whole table stands up, CO says "I'll just call you", MP shows AK, CO rolls over A.....................K. Chop it up, no BBJ : (We were playing 8-handed at that point so table share alone would have been $7.8K. Thought for sure it was hit when CO gave his "I just call" speech, he has to have AQ there!!! I rack up 2 hands later and call it a night, +57 after 7 hours of play, LOL minimum wageaments. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I'm guessing these games are more aggressive overall than what I'm used to, but I've never been in a game where 3-betting A7s seemed like a good idea. Can you talk about that?to take this a step or two further, i just 3b k7o otb to a cutoff guy who raised 80% of his hands overall and 100% of his open stealing spots. not, mind you, because k7 is a wicked hand in a vacuum, but because i was ahead of his range, which was literally any two cards.the way bob phrased it is absolutely perfect, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 My attempt at the funnyhttp://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=2009031502463443 lol beautiful Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 i forgot why i hate lhe. i was going to call this guy down without looking at the board.and they give me the smaller pot. bastards.Full Tilt Poker Game #11160452874: Table Amato (6 max) - $3/$6 - Limit Hold'em - 20:02:46 ET - 2009/03/15Seat 1: antistuff ($119.50)Seat 2: brickman60 ($258)Seat 3: 7levin_Kalevra ($209)Seat 4: Amanda2121 ($117.50)Seat 5: yalym ($94.50)Seat 6: GichiMookomaan ($16)brickman60 posts the small blind of $1.507levin_Kalevra posts the big blind of $3The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to antistuff [Qc Ad]Amanda2121 foldsyalym raises to $6GichiMookomaan foldsantistuff raises to $9brickman60 folds7levin_Kalevra foldsyalym calls $3*** FLOP *** [Kd Ks 7c]yalym bets $3antistuff calls $3*** TURN *** [Kd Ks 7c] [Ac]yalym bets $6antistuff calls $6*** RIVER *** [Kd Ks 7c Ac] [As]yalym bets $6antistuff raises to $12yalym raises to $18antistuff calls $6*** SHOW DOWN ***yalym shows [Ah 9s] a full house, Aces full of Kingsantistuff shows [Qc Ad] a full house, Aces full of Kingsyalym ties for the pot ($37) with a full house, Aces full of Kingsantistuff ties for the pot ($36.50) with a full house, Aces full of Kings*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $76.50 | Rake $3Board: [Kd Ks 7c Ac As]Seat 1: antistuff (button) showed [Qc Ad] and won ($36.50) with a full house, Aces full of KingsSeat 2: brickman60 (small blind) folded before the FlopSeat 3: 7levin_Kalevra (big blind) folded before the FlopSeat 4: Amanda2121 didn't bet (folded)Seat 5: yalym showed [Ah 9s] and won ($37) with a full house, Aces full of KingsSeat 6: GichiMookomaan didn't bet (folded) Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 i forgot why i hate lhe.This is why I love Limit HoldemThese are back to back hands against the same bad player. I really love Sundays.PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Lucky Bob is Button with K, K1 fold, Lucky Bob raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Lucky Bob caps, SB callsFlop: (9 SB) 8, 10, 5 (2 players)SB checks, Lucky Bob bets, SB callsTurn: (5.5 BB) Q (2 players)SB checks, Lucky Bob bets, SB callsRiver: (7.5 BB) 9 (2 players)SB checks, Lucky Bob bets, SB callsTotal pot: $190 (9.5 BB) | Rake: $2Results:Lucky Bob had K, K (one pair, Kings).SB mucked A, 5 (one pair, fives).Outcome: Lucky Bob won $188 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Lucky Bob is UTG with K, KLucky Bob raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Lucky Bob caps, Button callsFlop: (9.5 SB) 6, 2, 6 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, Button callsTurn: (5.75 BB) 7 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, Button callsRiver: (7.75 BB) 3 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, Button callsTotal pot: $195 (9.75 BB) | Rake: $2Results:Button mucked 2, J (two pair, sixes and twos).Lucky Bob had K, K (two pair, Kings and sixes).Outcome: Lucky Bob won $193 Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 This is why I love Limit HoldemThese are back to back hands against the same bad player. I really love Sundays.so you're saying i should just jump into a 20/40 game and everything will straighten itself out?thats about what i was figuring also actually Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Saturday morning I insta snooze check raised the shit out of my alarm. My hand was hovering over the button and the alarm only got out a partial bleat. Damn thing took ten minutes but it came right back over the top. I thought for a second and went for the rare second snooze check raise. The damn thing is relentless and came right back at me after 9 minutes later this time. I folded. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Saturday morning I insta snooze check raised the shit out of my alarm. My hand was hovering over the button and the alarm only got out a partial bleat. Damn thing took ten minutes but it came right back over the top. I thought for a second and went for the rare second snooze check raise. The damn thing is relentless and came right back at me after 9 minutes later this time. I folded.alarm clocks have an aggression factor of infinity Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Bob's feel good hand of the day or how it's fun getting a check raise in on the turn with your opponent drawing dead and going to pay you off no matter what.If I missed I was paying him off with my AQ high.PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Lucky Bob is SB with A , Q :spade:UTG calls, 2 folds, Button raises, Lucky Bob 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, Button callsFlop: (10 SB) 10 , 3 , 3 (3 players)Lucky Bob bets, UTG raises, 1 fold, Lucky Bob callsTurn: (7 BB) Q (2 players)Lucky Bob checks, UTG bets, Lucky Bob raises, UTG callsRiver: (11 BB) 5 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, UTG callsTotal pot: $260 (13 BB) | Rake: $3Results:Lucky Bob had A , Q (two pair, Queens and threes).UTG mucked 5 , A (two pair, fives and threes).Outcome: Lucky Bob won $257 Link to post Share on other sites
Chris-LFC 0 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Feel good hand of the day i normally play .50/1 and notice 2 of my favourite fish had moved up lol so i dived in this game...this hand made me lol his final bet was like $1 that put him all in lol.........Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is SB with J , K UTG raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB callsFlop: (8 SB) 10 , 4 , 6 (4 players)Hero checks, BB bets, UTG raises, CO calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, CO caps, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG callsTurn: (12 BB) 10 (4 players)Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero callsRiver: (14.5 BB) A (3 players, 1 all-in)Hero checks, BB bets, Hero callsTotal pot: $31.50 (15.75 BB) | Rake: $1Main pot: $27 (13.5 BB) between Hero, BB and UTG, won by HeroSide pot 1: $4.50 (2.25 BB) between Hero and BB, won by HeroResults:Hero had J , K (one pair, tens).BB had 5 , 8 (one pair, tens).UTG had J , 9 (one pair, tens).Outcome: Hero won $30.50 Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted March 20, 2009 Share Posted March 20, 2009 Nice FGHOTD's. It's pretty sweet to see you get utg limp/calls p/f at 10/20. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 So in the past two days I have gotten a pkt pair 36 times without hitting a set....good times. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 So in the past two days I have gotten a pkt pair 36 times without hitting a set....good times.Hey, that's better than losing with your last two sets, which I have done at the casino. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Hey, that's better than losing with your last two sets, which I have done at the casino.TrueBut the complaining seemed to work as I just hit 2 sets in decent size pots to take them both down. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I have some feel good hands and one really ugly feel bad hand from today so instead of posting any of those I'm going to post a bliind vs blind hand for some discussion.I want to get some comments on the flop and turn play.This was the first time that I've played with the other player but he's a Supernova proudly showing off his 5 stars and according to PTR is a 1 BB/100 loser.PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Lucky Bob is SB with Q , 8 3 folds, Lucky Bob raises, BB 3-bets, Lucky Bob callsFlop: (6 SB) 9 , 5 , 2 (2 players)Lucky Bob checks, BB bets, Lucky Bob raises, BB 3-bets, Lucky Bob callsTurn: (6 BB) K (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, BB callsRiver: (8 BB) 4 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, BB callsTotal pot: $200 (10 BB) | Rake: $2Results:Lucky Bob had Q , 8 (flush, Queen high).BB mucked 7 , 7 (one pair, sevens).Outcome: Lucky Bob won $198 Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I play flop same usually. The rationale behind donking the turn is that you don't want him to check behind for a free river with weakish showdownable hands and Asx?I think I like it.A lot of the people I play will auto fire the turn without thinking if they 3 bet the flop. Vs a lot of the others this line seems best. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I have some feel good hands and one really ugly feel bad hand from today so instead of posting any of those I'm going to post a bliind vs blind hand for some discussion.I want to get some comments on the flop and turn play.This was the first time that I've played with the other player but he's a Supernova proudly showing off his 5 stars and according to PTR is a 1 BB/100 loser.PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Lucky Bob is SB with Q , 8 3 folds, Lucky Bob raises, BB 3-bets, Lucky Bob callsFlop: (6 SB) 9 , 5 , 2 (2 players)Lucky Bob checks, BB bets, Lucky Bob raises, BB 3-bets, Lucky Bob callsTurn: (6 BB) K (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, BB callsRiver: (8 BB) 4 (2 players)Lucky Bob bets, BB callsTotal pot: $200 (10 BB) | Rake: $2Results:Lucky Bob had Q , 8 (flush, Queen high).BB mucked 7 , 7 (one pair, sevens).Outcome: Lucky Bob won $198I think you have to stay consistent with the line you are taking on the flop which is the c/r/c c/r, which is def not my favorite line in this spot anyway, but I just don't see how to justify the sequence,as played, from flop to turn, as balancing such a line is going to be very difficult in the future. And what does this line accomplish that a cap bet bet doesn't?In the event of a misclick on the flop, I probably continue the hand the same. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I think you have to stay consistent with the line you are taking on the flop which is the c/r/c c/r, which is def not my favorite line in this spot anyway, but I just don't see how to justify the sequence,as played, from flop to turn, as balancing such a line is going to be very difficult in the future. And what does this line accomplish that a cap bet bet doesn't?In the event of a misclick on the flop, I probably continue the hand the same.Thanks MinhLyFan, the reason that I posted the hand was that in hindsight I thought that I didn't play the hand the best way possible and I wanted to post something so that not everybody would say "oh, I like that play" which often happens when the person posting is respected.My default line against a player who I don't have a lot of history with is to check raise the flop, cap if three bet and lead out on the turn. I think that is usually the best play with a hand like this one and I decided to get a little tricky and go for the double check raise and when the K hit the turn my thought process became twofold. One, if he has a K I might get a chance to 3 bet him if he raises me again. The second thought process was that it might be a scary card to a lot of his range and he may check the turn so I wanted to get a bet out there. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I've been running really bad this weekend in the live 3/6 game at the local casino. Lost set over set among other things on Friday night, got coolered tonight with AJ on an AJJx board when a Q came on the river to give the resident donkey's QQ a better full house (Thank God he was all in for eight on the river as it would have cost me quite a bit more if he'd had more chips). I don't think I've hit a draw all weekend either. Anyway, it's got me doubting some plays. I posted the following hand in the strat forum, but of course no one goes there anymore, so I thought I might get some analysis here. Thoughts and comments especially appreciated on pre-flop play and the turn.Villain is a decent Taggish player really quite similar to the way I play in live games.Hero is UTG+1 and is dealt A Q Preflop: UTG raises, Hero 3bets, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls, UTG caps, everyone callsFlop (20 small bets): A 9 2 SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, SB callsTurn (12 big bets) Q SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises , SB calls, 2 folds, UTG 3bets , Hero calls (reluctantly), SB calls.River (21 big bets) T UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Hero is UTG+1 and is dealt A Q Preflop: UTG raises, Hero 3bets, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls, UTG caps, everyone callsFlop (20 small bets): A 9 2 SB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls, SB callsTurn (12 big bets) Q SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises , SB calls, 2 folds, UTG 3bets , Hero calls (reluctantly), SB calls.River (21 big bets) T UTG bets, Hero calls, SB callswhat is this, like a bad beat post or something? Line seem standard to me. Link to post Share on other sites
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