Lhe Challenge(?) Thread

[checkymcfold 0]

Flop: (6 SB) A , Q , 10 (2 players)Hero bets, Button calls

wow. i mean, unless he's, uh, balancing, or, uh, you tend to be easily bluffed off pairs?can someone post about running good? i'm starting to think that it might be impossible during the winter. i mean, in my slow migration to stars, i just had my second losing session in a row, which brings my lifetime total of stars LHE losers to four, so something obviously has to be going wrong way up there in deityland.also, prepare for a checky-sourced dramabomb sometime in the future. yes, that's intended to hype it up pretty royally, and no, i'm not coming out (yet).

[DinkDonk 1]

wow. i mean, unless he's, uh, balancing, or, uh, you tend to be easily bluffed off pairs?can someone post about running good? i'm starting to think that it might be impossible. i mean, in my slow migration to stars, i just had my second losing session in a row, which brings my lifetime total of stars losers to four, so something obviously has to be going wrong way up there in deityland.

I'd actually shown myself to be pretty unbluffable. That said, I actually don't think his float is as bad as it looks. I'd been 3 betting a wider range than normal because I thought that he'd be more fit or fold postflop. (Clearly he proved me read to be wrong here.) So basically, he wants to make me fold K highs, suited connectors, and pairs lower than T's plus he has twoooooooo backdoor draws. I mean I still think his play sucks, but it was more of a pure "bad beat vent post" than a "look how bad he plays post." River is sort of gross, but I think folding is waaaaay too exploitable. Maybe he shows up with like a poorly played AK or AJ or like Q7, T7, Q5, T5, but I still don't like being raised there.

[checkymcfold 0]

I'd actually shown myself to be pretty unbluffable. That said, I actually don't think his float is as bad as it looks. I'd been 3 betting a wider range than normal because I thought that he'd be more fit or fold postflop. (Clearly he proved me read to be wrong here.) So basically, he wants to make me fold K highs, suited connectors, and pairs lower than T's plus he has twoooooooo backdoor draws. I mean I still think his play sucks, but it was more of a pure "bad beat vent post" than a "look how bad he plays post." River is sort of gross, but I think folding is waaaaay too exploitable. Maybe he shows up with like a poorly played AK or AJ or like Q7, T7, Q5, T5, but I still don't like being raised there.

oh, for sure you can't fold the river. that'd be like dangling meat over some sort of carnivore donkey's den. you know, or something. sorry on the poor simile, i'm pretty drunk, lol.

[DinkDonk 1]

oh, for sure you can't fold the river. that'd be like dangling meat over some sort of carnivore donkey's den. you know, or something. sorry, i'm pretty drunk, lol.

From last night? Or are you on a sleeping schedule like mine?Oh I'm almost certainly getting blazed tonight. You're welcome to join.

[DinkDonk 1]

On a more random note, have any of you ever seen the commercial where it starts with a bunch of kids saying "tick" menacingly and moves to warnings about global warming? Shit is fucking terrifying. And not for the intended purposes; It's just that the grim faces and tones of the children is offputting at best and horribly creepy at worst.

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From last night? Or are you on a sleeping schedule like mine?Oh I'm almost certainly getting blazed tonight. You're welcome to join.

nah, i just drove the gf to work since i thought i needed the car. drinking a nice, stiff, wine-sized bottle of belgian ale to ease myself into bed whenever that happens. labbatt blue is hiding in the fridge as backup if necessary.as to tonight, we'll see. i may need a large nap before i play tonight, since i'll be getting about 4 hrs of sleep before picking up my gf. in theory, though, quite into it.as a side note, 1/2 on stars at 9:45am est is marginally beatable when you can barely see straight and misclick twice every 50 hands or so.

[dna4ever 2]

Two hands I'm curious about. This first one I talked to Bob about on MSN and he says is standard, but I still wonder about the river play.With two players in the hand smooth calling and the flush getting there (even though I have 3rd nut flush) and there is also a paired board, trying to grasp if betting, calling a raise brings the most long term value or if check, calling (probably beat) or check, they check behind (probably ahead) is the way to goPokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is MP1 with J , Q 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop: (5 SB) 3 , 8 , Q (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, 2 foldsTurn: (4 BB) 8 (3 players)Hero bets, CO calls, Button callsRiver: (7 BB) 5 (3 players)Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, 1 foldTotal pot: $72 (12 BB) | Rake: $3Results in white below: Button had 7 , A (flush, Ace high).Hero had J , Q (flush, Queen high).Outcome: Button won $69This second hand I believe is a HUGE leak on my part. Should I easily be able to fold this on the turn?PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 foldsFlop: (5.33333 SB) J , K , Q (2 players)Hero bets, Button callsTurn: (3.66667 BB) 7 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero callsRiver: (5.66667 BB) 5 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero callsTotal pot: $46 (7.66667 BB) | Rake: $2Results in white below: Button had K , A (one pair, Kings).Hero had Q , A (one pair, Queens).Outcome: Button won $44I hate being that check call POW

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Two hands I'm curious about. This first one I talked to Bob about on MSN and he says is standard, but I still wonder about the river play.With two players in the hand smooth calling and the flush getting there (even though I have 3rd nut flush) and there is also a paired board, trying to grasp if betting, calling a raise brings the most long term value or if check, calling (probably beat) or check, they check behind (probably ahead) is the way to goPokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is MP1 with J , Q 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checksFlop: (5 SB) 3 , 8 , Q (5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, 2 foldsTurn: (4 BB) 8 (3 players)Hero bets, CO calls, Button callsRiver: (7 BB) 5 (3 players)Hero bets, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, 1 foldTotal pot: $72 (12 BB) | Rake: $3Results in white below: Button had 7 , A (flush, Ace high).Hero had J , Q (flush, Queen high).Outcome: Button won $69

this kinda thing is very player dependent. i could defend b/cing, b/3bing, or even b/fing against a very small number of opponents. i'd say that b/cing is most standard, though.

This second hand I believe is a HUGE leak on my part. Should I easily be able to fold this on the turn?PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 foldsFlop: (5.33333 SB) J , K , Q (2 players)Hero bets, Button callsTurn: (3.66667 BB) 7 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero callsRiver: (5.66667 BB) 5 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets, Hero callsTotal pot: $46 (7.66667 BB) | Rake: $2Results in white below: Button had K , A (one pair, Kings).Hero had Q , A (one pair, Queens).Outcome: Button won $44I hate being that check call POW

once you check this turn, you almost have to show this hand down because you look so much like a pp<JJ. at very abc games, you can either b/f the turn (somewhat rarely) or b/c the turn, c/f the river UI.

[DinkDonk 1]

I effing love Belgian ales. I had not one but two of them last week. Corsendonk, an abbey brown ale, is amazing. Unfortunately it's like $3-4 a bottle. And I think I may make Hoegaarden, a pretty common white ale as I'm sure you know, into my new go to beer pong beer. It's pretty light, citrus-y, and goes down really nicely in large quantities. I think it may be because it's much less carbonated than the cheap light/lite domestics. I've still got some Dogfish Head and Chimay in my fridge as well. And like a bottle and a half of Grey Goose if I really want to push it. It could be quite the inebriated night.

[dna4ever 2]

once you check this turn, you almost have to show this hand down because you look so much like a pp<JJ. at very abc games, you can either b/f the turn (somewhat rarely) or b/c the turn, c/f the river UI.

Yeah, I HATE my check on the turn the more I think about it. I think bet folding to a raise is the right line here. If I get a call on the turn and get bet after I check the river I pretty much have to fold, but the board is fairly draw heavy to a straight/flush out there as well so I tend to leak here and call. Really need to work in improving this part of my game.

[DinkDonk 1]

Dna- In the first hand, raise preflop. I barely play any full ring anymore, but the games just aren't passive enough to where you're going to induce the string of limps you're looking for. Anywhere outside of the first 2 positions or so, and I'd say it's not a mistake to never limp. And even from those spots, you're going to have to balance well if you're going to limp at all. On the river I wouldn't dream of folding. Guys are going to show up with all sorts of lower flushes and some slowplayed 8's and weird stuff you'd be shocked to see.Second hand looks completely fine to me. I'd say b/cing the turn and c/c or c/f the river is fine as well, but I would pretty much never fold before the river. People just play poorly. They are going to show up with bad semi-bluffs, value bets with worse hands, and some hands with which they don't even know why they're betting.

[checkymcfold 0]

I effing love Belgian ales. I had not one but two of them last week. Corsendonk, an abbey brown ale, is amazing. Unfortunately it's like $3-4 a bottle. And I think I may make Hoegaarden, a pretty common white ale as I'm sure you know, into my new go to beer pong beer. It's pretty light, citrus-y, and goes down really nicely in large quantities. I think it may be because it's much less carbonated than the cheap light/lite domestics. I've still got some Dogfish Head and Chimay in my fridge as well. And like a bottle and a half of Grey Goose if I really want to push it. It could be quite the inebriated night.

never heard of corsendonk, but hoegaarden is definitely better than its relatively mainstreamed-ness. serve it with a slice of orange, btw :)dogfish head is solid (IPAs and raison d'etre), but usually a bit tough to go all out on since they pretty much only make really strong-tasting beers that generally don't go down all that easy.i was drinking some kind of saison something-or-other, and it was delicious. my kitten thought so, too, and tried to drink it. bitch.oh, and i might be getting tilted at 1/2 LHE because people are obviously cheating. ha.

[HighwayStar 8]

Best. Beer. Ever. ........... except for some of my home brewI'm thirsty now..... and it's at least 30 mins walk to the nearest place to serve it..

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Best. Beer. Ever. ........... except for some of my home brewI'm thirsty now..... and it's at least 30 mins walk to the nearest place to serve it..

that's tasty, but i always found it too thick to really enjoy more than one or two. you ever try wychwood's fiddler's elbow?

[DinkDonk 1]

Yeah, I HATE my check on the turn the more I think about it. I think bet folding to a raise is the right line here. If I get a call on the turn and get bet after I check the river I pretty much have to fold, but the board is fairly draw heavy to a straight/flush out there as well so I tend to leak here and call. Really need to work in improving this part of my game.

FWIW I think you're probably wrong about some of your leaks. I think you used to play pretty big games a couple years ago right? Well the way the games have changed since then have made it necessary to be waaay more passive and showdown bound than you'd like to be. The truth is, you're going to have to lose at showdown quite a bit. It sucks, I know, I'd rather find bigger edges, but in aggressive games like we have to play in today, you just can't open yourself up to being exploited, especially not if the way that's happening is by folding in medium to large pots. Listen to Bob. He has come pretty close to perfecting the art of inducing bluffs. The guy gets value from spots that most of us wouldn't dream, just by giving people a bit of rope.

[HighwayStar 8]

that's tasty, but i always found it too thick to really enjoy more than one or two. you ever try wychwood's fiddler's elbow?

yea, i've had quite a lot of their beers and might have the chance to visit their brewery at some point this summer.....which should be funTheakstons Old Peculier is another one of my favourites.

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yea, i've had quite a lot of their beers and might have the chance to visit their brewery at some point this summer.....which should be fun

trip report when it happens

Theakstons Old Peculier is another one of my favourites.

don't know that one. what style?also, omg, i am losing so many hands on the turn and river it's retarded

[HighwayStar 8]

don't know that one. what style?

strong, rich and dark....like my men.

[dna4ever 2]

FWIW I think you're probably wrong about some of your leaks. I think you used to play pretty big games a couple years ago right? Well the way the games have changed since then have made it necessary to be waaay more passive and showdown bound than you'd like to be. The truth is, you're going to have to lose at showdown quite a bit. It sucks, I know, I'd rather find bigger edges, but in aggressive games like we have to play in today, you just can't open yourself up to being exploited, especially not if the way that's happening is by folding in medium to large pots. Listen to Bob. He has come pretty close to perfecting the art of inducing bluffs. The guy gets value from spots that most of us wouldn't dream, just by giving people a bit of rope.

Good insight, last night I just put in my first hour session in a long long long time. 4 tabled 3/6, ended up +22BB, probably 200 hands which is a retarded win rate and don't have any expectation that that is the norm.The game has definitely changed in the 3 years since I played regularly.I never played big games, my main game was always 5/10, then I worked up to 10/20 and towards the end played 25/50 (50/100 when I was drunk).

[Painter567 0]

Is this old people talk for getting high?I keed I keed. But in all seriousness, if you ever come to the Buffalo area, you are soooooo getting high with me.

LOL.......and yes!

[Painter567 0]

(50/100 when I was drunk).

LOL....yep

[HighwayStar 8]

There's a 97/22/4 who has made full houses at showdown 3 hands in a row with such beautiful hands as 62s, 84o and 94sfdesancmasdcdsa and just now KK < AQ on QxxxQ for a 15 BB pot...Fun day.QJ < KT for 20 BB pot 3 way ...board : KTx9Kgah, i have to stop....this is ridiculous

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Listen to Bob. He has come pretty close to perfecting the art of inducing bluffs. The guy gets value from spots that most of us wouldn't dream, just by giving people a bit of rope.

I've just luckboxed my natural calling station tendencies into being a not bad way to play in today's games.I first figured out how to play against LAG's against Daniel in the 11 handed games in Toronto. He was very loose and aggressive preflop especially when first to act so I used to save him the seat to my right for when the games started at noon so I would have position on him, a non-smoker next to me and so we could talk about our hockey pool and piss the rest of the table off with our talk. I basically would 3 bet him preflop or fold if he was first to act and my 3 bet range was hands that I was willing to go to showdown with unimproved. Daniel liked to bully the table but if I wasn't folding hard to bully me. That's when he started calling me head down Bob since I just put my head down and paid him off. Naturally he stopped bluffing me so I stopped paying him off all the time which meant he would start bluffing more often so I would pay off more often. All just part of the dynamics of playing a lot with the same players where you are both making adjustments.Now on multiway pots where Daniel was getting frisky it was a different story. I remember one hand where the board was paired and there was a 3 flush on the turn and I had AA with the A of the suit. On the turn I bet and was raised by another player and Daniel 3 bet it. I called and so did the other player. The river was a blank and I check folded while the other player paid Daniel off with top pair K of the 3 flush suit kicker. Daniel had made a flush with his 74 sooted or whatever it was he was playing. Daniel's image meant that when he made a big hand he was paid off like crazy since so many of the bad players would only remember the heads up pot where he would shown some crap and not realize that in that large multiway pot where he's 3 betting the turn he has a monster 100% of the time.

[DinkDonk 1]

God I wish I was on my computer so I could post the epic graph that represents my past 24 hours.I woke up yesterday and put a nice little session in. +$4.8kThen the next session was the dooooomswitched shot at the 1/2 game. -$10.5kAnd nooooow I tilted two different guys on 3 different tables into spewing so much that I was in the best 30/60 games I've ever been in. +$6.1k Final Tally- +$400Can you say robusto?I'm exhausted.

[Whatever 1]

then I worked up to 10/20 and towards the end played 25/50 (50/100 when I was drunk).

Never knew you played that high dna! And DD - beautiful.