checkymcfold 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Reading through the analysis of this most recent hand, I realize that somewhere along the way, I got left behind. There was a time when I was a strong LHE player (at least in lower stakes games), and probably one of the better LHE posters on FCP in the strat forums. Then, the UIGEA came along, games started to dry up a little, I hit a downswing and had some tilt problems and I quit playing for quite a while. Now I'm back and I realize that I'm so far behind the curve it's kinda ridiculous. Just had to get that off my chest. I will continue lurking this thread and maybe learn something. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.this happened to me during my hiatus from LHE as well. just work really, really hard and you'll be back in not too long. i'd say it took me about 3-4 months of regular play before i felt comfortable at LHE again. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I will continue lurking this thread and maybe learn something.Do more than lurk. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 this hand kind of sums up my day pretty damn well:Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $3/$66 playersConverterPre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with J 2 UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Flop: 9 T 8 (8SB, 4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.Turn: 6 (8BB, 4 players)Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls.River: 5 (15BB, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, UTG calls.Results:Final pot: 19BBUTG+1 Shows 7c 9h3/10 with sets, 2/23 with overpairs today. that said, i think losing only 60BB counts as a win.i would like a marijuana cigarette, please. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 i would like a marijuana cigarette, please.me too plz- although I need to wake up before I start playing. I think I've developed a caffeine tolerance cause this coffee isn't working any more. Sigh hangovers.I hate making folds (after 2 or more people go nuts on the river) which end up being the best hand. I can recall 3 since I started playing LHE. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with J 2 UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Flop: 9 T 8 (8SB, 4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.Would it be wrong to jam that flop? Did you think calling was the best way to get the most money in? Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Would it be wrong to jam that flop? Did you think calling was the best way to get the most money in?Most of them time you don't want to shut people out when you're drawing like that, which I would guess is why he doesn't jam, because obviously every bet that goes in here multiway is profitable for us. With different relative position, it would be a 3-bet. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 I think I probably play it the same on the flop but put the 3rd bet in on the turn. It might be turning your hand face up to some people but I still think you can be repping some sort of AcJx or similar combo draw and get some more bets in on a blank river. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Would it be wrong to jam that flop? Did you think calling was the best way to get the most money in?well, everyone was pretty LP except for utg+1, but not really to the point where they were especially likely to call 3 cold on the flop with gutterballs, etc, so i decided to wait until the turn. if i 3bet the turn, then i get two folds almost every time, so i decided to save money vs the ac draw if it hit (the other guy had the ac, fwiw) and b/3b a safe river vs utg+1 who's a super lagtard and was instaraising the river no matter what if he had the straight. since i was trapping 2 people in between by leading, it didn't cost me anything unless i was likely to get a cap in with it remaining more than HU, which i didn't think was the case. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Most of them time you don't want to shut people out when you're drawing like that, which I would guess is why he doesn't jam, because obviously every bet that goes in here multiway is profitable for us. With different relative position, it would be a 3-bet. yes, this.beer me. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 http://www.cardplayer.com/tv/21-high-stakes-living/28424Tom McEvoy's house makes me want to kill myself, for some reason. It starts off hysterical, but somewhere along the way it gets really depressing. I feel strangely bad for the guy, for no solid reason. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 New buy-in system, styled after your system (assuming reader is a FR player who likes to join new tables): Buy 5 bets. If I don't win the first pot I play, wig out in the chat, and then buy a really weird amount like 43.5BBs. It's solid. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 http://www.cardplayer.com/tv/21-high-stakes-living/28424Tom McEvoy's house makes me want to kill myself, for some reason. It starts off hysterical, but somewhere along the way it gets really depressing. I feel strangely bad for the guy, for no solid reason.OMG LOL it is like 4am QVC threw up! Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 OMG LOL it is like 4am QVC threw up!And then the throw-up aged about a decade. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 http://www.cardplayer.com/tv/21-high-stakes-living/28424Tom McEvoy's house makes me want to kill myself, for some reason. It starts off hysterical, but somewhere along the way it gets really depressing. I feel strangely bad for the guy, for no solid reason.I met him in LA in about 1999 when I flew in for a quick 3 day visit for business so I stayed at the beautiful Crystal Park Casino in Compton to play some cards before my Monday morning meeting and then redeye back to Toronto. He was propping the 20/40 LHE game there. He seemed like a nice guy and was a good prop as he introduced himself to me as "Tom" as we were waiting for the game to get going on Sunday and he let me know how long he thought it would take for the game to start. He played really weak tight and seemed to be just trying to not lose his money.When I saw that he got a deal with Poker Stars I was happy for him since he seems like a nice normal guy just trying to make a living. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Hey...whatever you have to do to pay for the dragon swag. Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 So last night was the first time I've been able to use the PT3 HUD while multi-tabling 1/2 6 max. Wow. It's so much less work to lose my money now. What a stupid game.Up $150 in the first hour and a half and then down $300 in the next hour and a half and then 2 hours later I finished at -$14. I am now just over 1/100 thru 38k hands at 1/2 6 max. The more I learn the worse the results are it seems. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 20 minutes into my session and im already 0/7 with TT+.Fun Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 0/9 Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 0/12 - This is getting ridiculous. AA < 22 twice in 10 minutesOnly -55 BB cause I won a couple of huge pots with AK and 86.edit : yay - 1/13 - won a 2 BB BvB with QQ. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 hay guys-i vote we all run better.love,checky Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Finished - 30 BBs after 1500 hands, - 20 BBs with AA 1/5-14 BBs with KK 1/4-6 BBs with QQ 5/8-4 BBs with JJ 7/13-12 BBs with TT 2/7:( That said I'm very very happy with how I played - squeezed so much value in spots I've not been doing so in the past and made some nice river calls. I also did not tilt one bit.More later if I'm not too drunk.edit - wow that's ~130 BBs below my usual expectation with those hands and those frequencies Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Is there some sort of standard line I should be taking in hands like this against an unknown? This sort of situation seems to come up a lot. Full Tilt Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is UTG with 9, AHero raises, 3 folds, BB callsFlop: (4.5 SB) 7, K, J(2 players)BB bets, Hero callsTurn: (3.25 BB) 5(2 players)BB bets, Hero foldsTotal pot: $3.25 (3.25 BB) | Rake: $0.15 Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The way you played it is OK. You'll rarely have no information, but with none, if my image doesn't seem really weak-tight or something, and I don't feel run-over, I'm probably going to fold this flop or this turn most of the time. That board hits his range if he's not aggressive in the BB. Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Cinci I also probably play that the same or pitch on the flop in this particular situation. In different situations/board textures I'm definitely not giving up so easily though.On an unrelated note. When you write a note on a player be sure to date it. It would be nice if the site would set up their notepads so it would do that automatically for you. Not only do people change and get better but as I get better myself my perception of the skill level other players changes as well. Some people I thought sucked might not suck so much, and some people I thought were solid might actually be exploitable for me now. Link to post Share on other sites
Dirtydutch 8 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Cinci I also probably play that the same or pitch on the flop in this particular situation. In different situations/board textures I'm definitely not giving up so easily though.On an unrelated note. When you write a note on a player be sure to date it. It would be nice if the site would set up their notepads so it would do that automatically for you. Not only do people change and get better but as I get better myself my perception of the skill level other players changes as well. Some people I thought sucked might not suck so much, and some people I thought were solid might actually be exploitable for me now.Joe Tall always does that. I feel like notes I don't remember taking are such a rough guide that it's not a huge deal, but doing so can't hurt. Link to post Share on other sites
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