brvheart 1,759 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 ailing to recycle plastic bags could find you spending eternity in Hell, the Vatican said after drawing up a list of seven deadly sins for our times.The seven, which include polluting the environment, were announced by Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, a close ally of the Pope and the head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, one of the Roman Curia's main court. Recycling could save your soul from eternal damnationPolluting the environment by failing to recycle is one of the new seven deadly sinsThe "sins of yesteryear" - sloth, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, wrath and pride - have a "rather individualistic dimension", he told the Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican newspaper.The new seven deadly, or mortal, sins are designed to make worshippers realise that their vices have an effect on others as well."The sins of today have a social resonance as well as an individual one," said Mgr Girotti. "In effect, it is more important than ever to pay attention to your sins."According to Roman Catholic doctrine, mortal sins are a "grave violation of God's law" and bring about "eternal death" if unrepented by the act of confession.They are far more serious than venial sins, which impede a soul's progress in the exercise of virtue and moral good.Mgr Girotti said genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins.Do Catholics even read the Bible?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtm...avatican110.xmlhttp://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idU...=22&sp=true Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Do Catholics even read the Bible?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtm...avatican110.xmlhttp://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idU...=22&sp=true Wow, look at you hip catholics! Welcome to the 21st Century, Holy C. Looks like BG won't be converting to the True Faith anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Wow, look at you hip catholics! Welcome to the 21st Century, Holy C. Looks like BG won't be converting to the True Faith anytime soon.Yea, I'm funny about an eternal faith that makes adjustments for polling data. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Buying indulgences has a certain appeal, it's a shame they did away with that... Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Yea, I'm funny about an eternal faith that makes adjustments for polling data. I read this story and just smiled- this religion has been a joke for so long. Really is a shame how many still buy this garbage. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I read this story and just smiled- this religion has been a joke for so long. Really is a shame how many still buy this garbage.look in the mirror. using logic and reason (which you are doing) to dismiss the new catholicism but still feeling justified in your own fundamentlist belief is nothing short of insanity. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 look in the mirror. using logic and reason (which you are doing) to dismiss the new catholicism but still feeling justified in your own fundamentlist belief is nothing short of insanity. Have you ever read the Bible? If you have, a little secret- I believe it. Biblically,sin doesn't change, or become more important, and if you read the article there is quite a bit to laugh at. Like, I don't know, the blatant and egregious efforts by the Vatican to basically rewrite the Bible as they go, as they have always attempted to do. As far as insanity, o.k. That's me, craaaazzzzy. I believe that a higher being created me and he would like me to be good a certain way and if I don't there will be consequences. That's not crazy, that's just a life choice. No one gets hurt. I don't roll around on the floor slobbering while the holy spirit fills me. The goal would be to live a decent life and tell people about Christ. If they don't accept- cool. No standoff, no caves, no guns, no kool aid, just- cool. To each his own. Which you in your arrogance can't stand. In your mind it is impossible that the Bible could actually be a conduit for someone to change there life and not bother anybody else, because all you see is what makes news, and guess what? Christians don't make the news. They live there life in peace, abide by the laws and work to get to heaven, so when either christ comes back or they die they can enter the gates. And, once again- no one is telling you you have to!!! Hell, nobody even tells you to waste your time in a religious forum. Seriously, analyzed correctly, you are far more crazy than I could ever be because you think your redundant crap can actually effect anyone with an ounce of faith. Thankfully, you cannot, but you will still try. Meanwhile, I wouldn't even bother convincing you of God, or Christ. So, who is crazy again? Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Do Catholics even read the Bible?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtm...avatican110.xmlhttp://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idU...=22&sp=true No, they don't. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,759 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 Have you ever read the Bible? If you have, a little secret- I believe it. Biblically,sin doesn't change, or become more important, and if you read the article there is quite a bit to laugh at. Like, I don't know, the blatant and egregious efforts by the Vatican to basically rewrite the Bible as they go, as they have always attempted to do. As far as insanity, o.k. That's me, craaaazzzzy. I believe that a higher being created me and he would like me to be good a certain way and if I don't there will be consequences. That's not crazy, that's just a life choice. No one gets hurt. I don't roll around on the floor slobbering while the holy spirit fills me. The goal would be to live a decent life and tell people about Christ. If they don't accept- cool. No standoff, no caves, no guns, no kool aid, just- cool. To each his own. Which you in your arrogance can't stand. In your mind it is impossible that the Bible could actually be a conduit for someone to change there life and not bother anybody else, because all you see is what makes news, and guess what? Christians don't make the news. They live there life in peace, abide by the laws and work to get to heaven, so when either christ comes back or they die they can enter the gates. And, once again- no one is telling you you have to!!! Hell, nobody even tells you to waste your time in a religious forum. Seriously, analyzed correctly, you are far more crazy than I could ever be because you think your redundant crap can actually effect anyone with an ounce of faith. Thankfully, you cannot, but you will still try. Meanwhile, I wouldn't even bother convincing you of God, or Christ. So, who is crazy again?This is not biblical. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Like, I don't know, the blatant and egregious efforts by the Vatican to basically rewrite the Bible as they go, as they have always attempted to do.the establishment that led to catholocism basically wrote the bible in the first place. what difference does it make if they rewrite it? how do you know their refining of it isn't just as "inspired" as its initial creation was?I believe that a higher being created me and he would like me to be good a certain way and if I don't there will be consequences. That's not crazy, that's just a life choice.belief is something that is compelled by evidence, NOT something you choose. treating belief as a choice is by definition delusional. Which you in your arrogance can't stand.i only can't stand one more religion than you can't you just called the leadership of the catholic church garbage/a joke. if you think it's arrogant to bash religious belief because it conflicts with your sensibilities you should look in the mirror. Christians don't make the news. They live there life in peaceunfortunately that is false in many cases, which is why we/i bother with this. Link to post Share on other sites
solderz 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Saying Catholics have lost it seems to be saying that Catholics at one time had it. Which I contend they have not. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 <shrug>They believe that the (Catholic) church has the authority to do this.They point to the Bible when they claim this (couple of passages in Matthew are the main ones from memory) so in their mind this is biblical.No different from any other christian</shrug> Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,759 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 the establishment that led to catholocism basically wrote the bible in the first place. what difference does it make if they rewrite it? how do you know their refining of it isn't just as "inspired" as its initial creation was?belief is something that is compelled by evidence, NOT something you choose. treating belief as a choice is by definition delusional. i only can't stand one more religion than you can't you just called the leadership of the catholic church garbage/a joke. if you think it's arrogant to bash religious belief because it conflicts with your sensibilities you should look in the mirror. unfortunately that is false in many cases, which is why we/i bother with this.I agree that if you think that Catholics had anything at all to do with writing the Bible then it doesn't matter if it's rewritten, but surely you can see the dishonesty of your own argument. The Bible currently says that God is always the same, and that the Bible should not be changed. We know from the Dead Sea scrolls that nothing has changed in 1900 years. Could have the first edition been crap? of course. That's definitely not the point, and I think you know that. Catholics claim that the Bible is even a little tiny bit important, and yet are just making up their own random facts and saying that it's Biblical. This is no different that Mormonism, which also claims that their is now, all of a sudden, extra stuff that you need to believe, EVEN THOUGH THE HOLY BOOK OF THEIR PARTICULAR RELIGION ALREADY SAYS THAT THERE IS NO EXTRA STUFF. Link to post Share on other sites
KramitDaToad 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I agree that if you think that Catholics had anything at all to do with writing the Bible then it doesn't matter if it's rewritten, but surely you can see the dishonesty of your own argument. The Bible currently says that God is always the same, and that the Bible should not be changed. We know from the Dead Sea scrolls that nothing has changed in 1900 years. Could have the first edition been crap? of course. That's definitely not the point, and I think you know that. Catholics claim that the Bible is even a little tiny bit important, and yet are just making up their own random facts and saying that it's Biblical. This is no different that Mormonism, which also claims that their is now, all of a sudden, extra stuff that you need to believe, EVEN THOUGH THE HOLY BOOK OF THEIR PARTICULAR RELIGION ALREADY SAYS THAT THERE IS NO EXTRA STUFF.They are not altering the Bible. They are altering Catholic law. Jesus gave them the authority to do that in their interpretation of the Christian fairy-tale."Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven blah blah blah" Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I agree that if you think that Catholics had anything at all to do with writing the Bible then it doesn't matter if it's rewritten, but surely you can see the dishonesty of your own argument. obviously the early catholic church didn't technically write the bible, but leadership certainly formulated the canon TO BEST FIT THEIR OWN COLLECTIVE SENSIBILITIES by choosing specific books from hundreds of possibilites. not really anything different than they are doing now - letting what they perceive as common sense guide their interpretation of the bible. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 This is not biblical. This is one of the reasons I pretty much avoid this part of the forum now, this thought process. Sure. No work involved. No change involved. Just accept christ as your personal saviour and then do as you please, right? Wrong. You must go past that and change self- which takes work- or you will go back to your old ways. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 the establishment that led to catholocism basically wrote the bible in the first place. what difference does it make if they rewrite it? how do you know their refining of it isn't just as "inspired" as its initial creation was?belief is something that is compelled by evidence, NOT something you choose. treating belief as a choice is by definition delusional. i only can't stand one more religion than you can't you just called the leadership of the catholic church garbage/a joke. if you think it's arrogant to bash religious belief because it conflicts with your sensibilities you should look in the mirror. unfortunately that is false in many cases, which is why we/i bother with this. Hi. You're still ****ing crazy. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 obviously the early catholic church didn't technically write the bible, but leadership certainly formulated the canon TO BEST FIT THEIR OWN COLLECTIVE SENSIBILITIES by choosing specific books from hundreds of possibilites. not really anything different than they are doing now - letting what they perceive as common sense guide their interpretation of the bible. Yeah. You haven't read the Bible, because if that were true, they did an awful job because the Bible contradicts catholicism left and right. Your very argument makes you look stupid, which is genuinely surprising being that you are smart. It lends me to think you don't know the Bible at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 They are not altering the Bible. They are altering Catholic law. Jesus gave them the authority to do that in their interpretation of the Christian fairy-tale."Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven blah blah blah" That's all well and good, except in doing so no christian has the authority to supersede what christ brought. That scripture is talking abut authority of the true church, which does exist, but even then judgement is rendered by all and not by a chosen few. Judgement can also be wrong, and can change. That being said, I could never as a preacher or a teacher push my conscience onto you. For example, I could never teach you you MUST recycle, or that recycling is a mortal sin or even a sin entirely, there is absolutely no biblical backing for it. The binding still has to abide within the law that christ brought, and when it doesn't there should be a definite uprising, which you see already. Look at the numbers that do not even confess anymore, there own followers reject what is taught, and can see the fault in it. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 they did an awful job because the Bible contradicts catholicism left and right.you mean catholicism's selective subjective interpretation of the bible contradicts your selective subjective interpretation. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hi. You're still ****ing crazy.well thought out rebuttal there. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,759 Posted March 10, 2008 Author Share Posted March 10, 2008 This is one of the reasons I pretty much avoid this part of the forum now, this thought process. Sure. No work involved. No change involved. Just accept christ as your personal saviour and then do as you please, right? Wrong. You must go past that and change self- which takes work- or you will go back to your old ways. Simple as that.25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."Yeah. You haven't read the Bible, because if that were true, they did an awful job because the Bible contradicts catholicism left and right. Your very argument makes you look stupid, which is genuinely surprising being that you are smart. It lends me to think you don't know the Bible at all.This is actually a good point. A lot of what Catholics do has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible and I think that they would agree. They would say it's "tradition" and that tradition is just as important as the Bible, which I obviously don't agree with. It can't be selective interpretation, because they aren't even looking at the Bible to begin with.I ended two of my previous sentences with the word with. (make it 3)It's mainly because I'm awesome at grammar... with. (4?) Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I think the funniest part of Christianity is that the different sects all think the others are crazy. If you can't see the humor in that, you're a lost cause. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I think the funniest part of Christianity is that the different sects all think the others are crazy. If you can't see the humor in that, you're a lost cause. Even funnier still are those who have no idea what the Bible contains, how there are no sects, not open to interpetation, etc. yet they still want to have some sort opinion. Yeah, you. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 well thought out rebuttal there. Yet applicable. Link to post Share on other sites
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