Gun Control

[MNBassin 0]

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ China established gun control in 1935. >From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated ------------------------------ Guatemala established gun control in 1964. >From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------ Cambodia established gun control in 1956. >From 1975 to 1977, one million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated ----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------ It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

[ShakeZuma 585]

where'd you get this?

[James D 0]

------------------------------ Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. ------------------------------

This number seems to go up every year.

[MNBassin 0]

It was emailed to me, might not be the best source of information, but knowing some history some of these make sense. Just read about gun control in a couple of threads so thought I would post this as food for thought

[speedz99 145]

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

Really?

This number seems to go up every year.

I'm guessing you misread it...it doesn't say 13M jews, it says 13M jews and others, which has always been the estimate. 6M jews, 6-7M others.

[coesillian 0]

----------------------------- Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. ------------------------------

This conclusion is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Are you really blamming all of those genocides on gun control? If the random avergae citizen had a gun, would they have been able to prevent those genocides? please.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

This is an interesting perspective but your data is not accurate at all. These numbers seemed to based on a 12 month period, thats a very small sample size. And considering that the Gun Buyback in AUstralia was in 1996, your data is over 10 years old! There are new studies based on better data out there. I simply suggest you go out and take a look for yourself before you come to a conclusion based on a very biased and inaccurate email. The conclusions seem to still be debated.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.

this is also a very questionable conclusion.

[Jeepster80125 0]

Did All In tell you to post this?

[gkunit20 1]

This number seems to go up every year.

Wow, fuck you. If you want the fucking breakdown, here you go:6 Million Jews7 Million gypsies, african americans and anyone else Hitler decided wasn't good enough.Go fuck yourself.

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

you have to understand that crime rates are relatively low to start with in australia. a jump of 300% in homicides in victoria alone might be a jump from 2 to 6, and maybe 2006 was a low year for homicides. statistics are all relevent, you have to look back and analyze them.as for 50 million people killed by gun control preventing them from defending themselves... these revolutions were going to happen regardless of gun control, and the death toll would have been higher with all the troops killed by people firing back at them. the governments woould have killed the same amount of people.also, think of how many lives gun control has saved... there are only 300-400 homicides a year in canada, a country of 33 million. we have very strict gun control. in the usa? 30000 gun related deaths a year, with a population of 300 million. thats roughly 11 times the rate of canada

[gatortom64 1]

you have to understand that crime rates are relatively low to start with in australia. a jump of 300% in homicides in victoria alone might be a jump from 2 to 6, and maybe 2006 was a low year for homicides. statistics are all relevent, you have to look back and analyze them.as for 50 million people killed by gun control preventing them from defending themselves... these revolutions were going to happen regardless of gun control, and the death toll would have been higher with all the troops killed by people firing back at them. the governments woould have killed the same amount of people.also, think of how many lives gun control has saved... there are only 300-400 homicides a year in canada, a country of 33 million. we have very strict gun control. in the usa? 30000 gun related deaths a year, with a population of 300 million. thats roughly 11 times the rate of canada

We also have 11 times the minorities as Canada. You do the math.

[MNBassin 0]

Wow, fuck you. If you want the fucking breakdown, here you go:6 Million Jews7 Million gypsies, african americans and anyone else Hitler decided wasn't good enough.Go fuck yourself.

Not trying to be funny.....but wouldn't they be african germans? I mean seriously...the whole pc thing has gone overboard.

you have to understand that crime rates are relatively low to start with in australia. a jump of 300% in homicides in victoria alone might be a jump from 2 to 6, and maybe 2006 was a low year for homicides. statistics are all relevent, you have to look back and analyze them.as for 50 million people killed by gun control preventing them from defending themselves... these revolutions were going to happen regardless of gun control, and the death toll would have been higher with all the troops killed by people firing back at them. the governments woould have killed the same amount of people.also, think of how many lives gun control has saved... there are only 300-400 homicides a year in canada, a country of 33 million. we have very strict gun control. in the usa? 30000 gun related deaths a year, with a population of 300 million. thats roughly 11 times the rate of canada

the revolutions/genocides may have happened anyways, and yes the death toll would have been higher with the troops being killed by those not wanting to die. but can you blame someone for not wanting to die? Or wanting to defend themselves?

We also have 11 times the minorities as Canada. You do the math.

don't even know what to say to that.

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

We also have 11 times the minorities as Canada. You do the math.

lmao. whites are supposed to be a minority in canada by 2015 if iirc. weve got hella immigrants here too.from wikipedia:"Vancouver is ethnically diverse, with 52% of city residents having a first language other than English."

the revolutions/genocides may have happened anyways, and yes the death toll would have been higher with the troops being killed by those not wanting to die. but can you blame someone for not wanting to die? Or wanting to defend themselves?

you just said exactly the opposite of what you said in the OP. you said in the OP that gun control has caused lives, now youre saying it saved lives..

[El Guapo 8]

Suprised the Japanese number is that low, it seemed like half of Vancouver was Japansese. Oh yeah, and I hooked up with a hot Japanese girl when I was there.And don't try and take my guns.

[MNBassin 0]

you just said exactly the opposite of what you said in the OP. you said in the OP that gun control has caused lives, now youre saying it saved lives..maybe I didn't understand what you were saying but I was saying that if the people had guns they might have prevented the genocides

[chrozzo 19]

dont we have like 419 threads on this somewhere?

[speedz99 145]

lmao. whites are supposed to be a minority in canada by 2015 if iirc. weve got hella immigrants here too.from wikipedia:"Vancouver is ethnically diverse, with 52% of city residents having a first language other than English."you just said exactly the opposite of what you said in the OP. you said in the OP that gun control has caused lives, now youre saying it saved lives..

1. When he said "minorities" he wasn't talking about Asians. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with him or the fact that he will be unswayed by your chart which shows a huge majority of whites and asians...just saying.2. I'd be far more interested to see a breakdown of socioeconomic elements in the US vs Canada. I'm guessing that's a much better barometer for crime rates than both race and gun control laws.

I was saying that if the people had guns they might have prevented the genocides

No, they wouldn't have prevented the genocides. But they would have given the victims a fighting chance, or at least the opportunity to take some of the pieces of shit that were wiping them out to the grave with them, which is nice.

[James D 0]

Wow, fuck you. If you want the fucking breakdown, here you go:6 Million Jews7 Million gypsies, african americans and anyone else Hitler decided wasn't good enough.Go fuck yourself.

Pretty weird response.

[nutzbuster 7]

No, they wouldn't have prevented the genocides. But they would have given the victims a fighting chance, or at least the opportunity to take some of the pieces of shit that were wiping them out to the grave with them, which is nice.

word brotha

[coesillian 0]

I just want to make certain that everyone realizes the OP is full of shit and should not be taken seriously.speedz, by blaming minorities and then socioeconomic elements are you trying to say poor black people? cuz if you are, man up and be blunt about your prejudice.

[speedz99 145]

speedz, by blaming minorities and then socioeconomic elements are you trying to say poor black people? cuz if you are, man up and be blunt about your prejudice.

Go back and read it all again. I was saying that someone else was talking about black people when he said "minorities", and specifically did not say that I agree. I then very clearly said "socioeconomic" instead of making a blanket statement about poor black people, since studies show that poverty breeds crime, regardless of skin color.So...nice try, but you didn't catch me being a closet racist. Now you can go ahead and man up to apologize for making a poor assumption.

[MNBassin 0]

I just want to make certain that everyone realizes the OP is full of shit and should not be taken seriously.speedz, by blaming minorities and then socioeconomic elements are you trying to say poor black people? cuz if you are, man up and be blunt about your prejudice.

you are saying I am full of it? buddy that's a great conclusion you have made. Speedz said what I was trying to say best. What I took from what you said earlier is that screw the people getting killed off b/c it would have happened anyways so why get the troops killed while they are committing genocide? Maybe you should FYP so it states exactly what you are trying to state b/c it sounded pretty bad and I was trying to be more civil about my response to you that to say you are full of shit.

[nutzbuster 7]

weeeeeeeeeeeee

[MyPlayIsRAB 0]

fwiw, asians are a bigger crime problem in canada than blacks, although theyre up there too

[speedz99 145]

Pretty weird response.

Jews tend to be sensitve about people downplaying the whole holocaust thing. Especially when someone (you) has no idea what they're talking about. What's weird is that you chose to respond to his comment but not mine.

[speedz99 145]

fwiw, asians are a bigger crime problem in canada than blacks, although theyre up there too

That would make sense if there are more poor asians than poor blacks...which I guess would have to be the case since there are so many more of them in general.