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while party politics are not big in america the democrats will never truly be a socialist party, or even close. I see plenty of people wearing che t shirts everyday, so i don't think that's a big deal at all. it's one thing to be interested in and support socialist or even social democratic politics (there's a difference between the two, your little website there doesn't seem to think there is), and it's another to run for president of pretty much the largest capitalist state in the world. Third wayism politics at best. Don't fear the red scare. it doesn't exist.

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while party politics are not big in america the democrats will never truly be a socialist party, or even close. I see plenty of people wearing che t shirts everyday, so i don't think that's a big deal at all. it's one thing to be interested in and support socialist or even social democratic politics (there's a difference between the two, your little website there doesn't seem to think there is), and it's another to run for president of pretty much the largest capitalist state in the world. Third wayism politics at best. Don't fear the red scare. it doesn't exist.
So your argument boils down to: He can't be a socialist since he's running for President in the most powerful country in the world which happens to be a capitalist state? Interesting but I can't think of any place a ideological Socialist would rather be.
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It's at a point to me right now where there is no right or left really. They are both too power hungry. I don't want any of the remaining candidates to win. They don't care about the country. They just care about getting power.

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Honestly, I got to thinking more about this, and right now I'm not sure that either Obama or Hilllary can win.Reason is McCain now has half of the countries voters solidly in his camp. 50%. This now becomes a numbers game.So think about it a minute....we know that Obama supporters are not very fond of Hillary, and Hillary supporters dislike Obama to a degree.So, if Obama wins the nomination, the disgruntled Hillary voters (who loath him) will split off. Half will still support Obama, but some of those votes will head to McCains camp, lets just say just 10%. That's 60% now for McCain.Same thing will happen if Hillary wins. Some of the Democrats will feel like they are left without a candidate and head into Mc Cains camp, or not vote at all.PLUS, I think that there will be a larger than normal turn out this year, for all the wrong reasons. My contention is that there will be folks, that normally never vote, coming out and voting for McCain simply because they want to make sure that neither a black man or a woman wins. Lets just say this is 10% again. McCain now has 70% of the voters in his camp.Obviously this is a very un scientific opinion, but am I off base here? I'm sure I am over looking something, but this seems plausable.I will go out and say that while I tend to vote conservative, I am NOT a huge McCain fan.But if I am being objective, unless he does something terribly stupid, it seems like this is McCains election to lose.No?

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Honestly, I got to thinking more about this, and right now I'm not sure that either Obama or Hilllary can win.Reason is McCain now has half of the countries voters solidly in his camp. 50%. This now becomes a numbers game.So think about it a minute....we know that Obama supporters are not very fond of Hillary, and Hillary supporters dislike Obama to a degree.So, if Obama wins the nomination, the disgruntled Hillary voters (who loath him) will split off. Half will still support Obama, but some of those votes will head to McCains camp, lets just say just 10%. That's 60% now for McCain.Same thing will happen if Hillary wins. Some of the Democrats will feel like they are left without a candidate and head into Mc Cains camp, or not vote at all.PLUS, I think that there will be a larger than normal turn out this year, for all the wrong reasons. My contention is that there will be folks, that normally never vote, coming out and voting for McCain simply because they want to make sure that neither a black man or a woman wins. Lets just say this is 10% again. McCain now has 70% of the voters in his camp.Obviously this is a very un scientific opinion, but am I off base here? I'm sure I am over looking something, but this seems plausable.I will go out and say that while I tend to vote conservative, I am NOT a huge McCain fan.But if I am being objective, unless he does something terribly stupid, it seems like this is McCains election to lose.No?
I hope you are right because I really don't like either democrat. I don't really like McCain that much but his views are a little closer to mine. I don't even think Hillary or Obama have really talked about the issues recently. They just talk about how bad Bush or each other are.
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One place you might be wrong is in the turnout numbers. It's partly because of a hotly contested race versus a barely contested one, but Democratic turnout in these primaries is running FIVE times the Republican turnout, and it's been doing so from the very first votes in Iowa and New Hampshire all the way to tonight, in virtually every single state. That's unprecedented, to be so high and so consistent.I don't think it will hold true for November, but if there's a greater-than-average Democratic turnout, you can throw your numbers out.Also, you say McCain has half the votes in the country behind him. How do you figure? For one thing, he's got his own intra-party hatred going on, although it will almost certainly die down by November. Secondly, although most presidential elections are 50/50, Bush is polling less than 30%. That, plus lukewarm support for McCain, could depress voter turnout on the right just as turnout on the left is increasing.I wouldn't call it either way at this point. Obama and McCain, as a polled matchup, are in a pretty tight race.

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I don't think having Huckabee as VP is going to be as beneficial as you think, DN. VP's can help you carry the VP's home state, but that's really about it. (Most) VP's have no real power ( cheney is a notable exception), and have no real impact on executive decisions that evangelicals are likely to care about ( IE Judge selections). And it's not like many evangelical's are going to vote Democrat under any circumstances anyway ( Degenerate gamblers like BG who lose their votes golfing are the notable exceptions, of course). I think the Christian Evangelical vote will go to McCain, no matter whom he picks for VP, but I think their voter turn out will lower than usual.. again, no matter whom he picks as Vp> I think Obama's appeal to non-traditional voters like the youth and african americans is going to carry the day. I predict a high democratic voter turn out ,and a lower republican one, and I think the demo is gonna win comfortably in the general, winning key swing states.

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I don't think having Huckabee as VP is going to be as beneficial as you think, DN. VP's can help you carry the VP's home state, but that's really about it. (Most) VP's have no real power ( cheney is a notable exception), and have no real impact on executive decisions that evangelicals are likely to care about ( IE Judge selections). And it's not like many evangelical's are going to vote Democrat under any circumstances anyway ( Degenerate gamblers like BG who lose their votes golfing are the notable exceptions, of course). I think the Christian Evangelical vote will go to McCain, no matter whom he picks for VP, but I think their voter turn out will lower than usual.. again, no matter whom he picks as Vp> I think Obama's appeal to non-traditional voters like the youth and african americans is going to carry the day. I predict a high democratic voter turn out ,and a lower republican one, and I think the demo is gonna win comfortably in the general, winning key swing states.
I will say having a strong VP like Cheaney made it easier for me to vote for bush. Did you see cheaney destroy Edwards in the debates four years ago. The guy is a genius, and a great shot.
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Good Lord, man, are there no feminists in your family at all? Do what feminists do when we don't like a woman -- call her an a$$hole. There's no need to make it a slur that specifically attacks her gender -- unless you dislike what she says only because she's a woman saying it instead of a man. I don't think that's the case. If you've got something to say about our minds, don't address your remarks to our crotch.
That's the problem with feminists in the first place. They think they're opinion actually matters in reality and that they have the right to tell people what to say and how to speak about women. Well, they do have the right, but it doesn't mean it means anything. If he thinks she's a biatch why can't he call here a biatch. If he thinks she's a cunnt, why shouldn't he call her a cuunt. It's his forum after all, he's just being decent so as not to really offend people. Feminsm is boring to us shovenists, lol.
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I will say having a strong VP like Cheaney made it easier for me to vote for bush. Did you see cheaney destroy Edwards in the debates four years ago. The guy is a genius, and a great shot.
Cheney was by far the exception. It's hard to imagine it now, but Bush was seen as possibly weak, but Cheney was an inspired choice. But, looking back on vp's over the years, has there ever been a vp anywhere near as strong and powerful as cheney?Gore: Gore was a great vp, articulate, a pro's pro as a politican. But he had no power in clinton's administration. He was just one of many advisors. Gore helped clinton Carry tennesee, but I can't see what other effect he had on the election in 92, other than maybe being competant as opposed to Quayle, but I mean, anyone was competent compared to Quayle. Dan Quayle: IN 88, I don't think he mattered much. Lloyd Benson certainly was better in debates with him. I think Quayle was a fresh, young face, and a bone to the Christian right. He ended up being a liablity in 92, that perhaps cost Senior bush his re-election. A rare cause of a VP actually hurting you. Extremely weak and no policy power.Senior Bush: Bright guy, but had little power in the Reagan Admin. Was perceived at the time as being a wimp and weak. Philosophically and politcally very different from Reagan, as he was more of a social liberal than Reagan, and was not the Small government conservative reagan was. HE actually coined the phrase "Voodoo" economics w/r/t Reagan's economic policy in the '80 primaries. I don't see how Reagan picking bush really mattered at all.Walter Mondale: I don't see how he helped Carter beat Ford, ford was pretty screwed to begin with, and I don't think he hurt carter vs reagan, as the economy sunk him. I think had little effect. Nelson Rockefeller : Don't know much about him, other than he was extremely rich and powerful. Don't think he hurt Fort agianst carter, nothing could have saved ford.Ford: Never was VP during an electino, so moot.Spiro Agnew. An excellent VP, until he was impeached. Though not as powerful as Cheney, w/r/t policy, he was able to be Nixon's attack dog, able to make attacks against opponents and political enemy's of Nixon. But did people ever really vote for nixon against Humprey? Really doubtful. Muskie, as I understand it, was a pretty strong VP candidate for Humphrey. A monkey could have been the VP candidate against McGovern. Hubert Humprey Again, Goldwater stood no chance of winning against LBJ, so it's moot.LBJ: On paper, a potential great VP candidate. An extremely strong and brilliant politician, one of the most politically successful senator's of all time, and from a huge population southern state, shoring up a part of the country that an eastern liberal like Kennedy needed. Yet the south went overwhelmingly for nixon in 60, including LBJ's home state of texas. So I don't think his being Kennedy's running mate, as opposed to some other canidate, mattered all that much. I could be wrong about this, of course, the election still was extremely close. Maybe having a strong VP like LBJ helped Kennedy in swing states. But no matter whom was the VP candidate, the dead Chicago voters were still voting democrat under Daly's watch. Nixon: A monkey could have run with Eisenhower. So looking back on the VPs, I don't see many that made much of a difference at all. LBJ could have, but the place you'd think he would have helped ( the south) He didn't. Gore certainly wasn't a bad VP, but I don't think he did anything for clinton other than win Tenn, and not embarrass himself. Quayle ended up being a liability. the 2000 election was so close, perhaps cheney helped bush.. he certainly was an asset as an advisor. But Huckabee won't have anywhere near that kind of power. And who does Huckabee appeal to? A segment of the population that already overwhelmingly votes GOP? That doesn't make any sense to me. He'd be better off talking Colin Powell into being his VP. There's a VP that could matter, and bring in votes. I don't think Huckabee would be anywhere near the asset that DN thinks. But I could be wrong, it's happened before. Ultimately, unless McCain gets someone extraordinary, like Colin Powell, I don't think who he picks as VP will matter in the slightest. HE just needs to pick someone who won't embarrass him and cost him votes ( ala quayle)
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I think Huckabee's one of those religious freaks that is just bad for humanity period. He makes all his decisions from a Christian viewpoint that is thankfully no longer the norm. I don't think he would be as bad as Bush but he would be a step into the wrong direction. Although I really believe that the presidential election is actually just going to be an absolute wash for the Democrats. Whoever the heck they pick is almost certainly gonna crush the Republican candidate. I mean I know Americans are dum as cowshit on average, but I don't really see Americans voting a Republican into office again after the Republican party has pisssed on their faces for the last eight years lol. But one should never underestimate the average American pleb. Although I really don't mind whoever becomes president out of the current group of options. I think all of them McCain, Hillary, & Obama are a step in the right direction.

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That's the problem with feminists in the first place. They think they're opinion actually matters in reality and that they have the right to tell people what to say and how to speak about women. Well, they do have the right, but it doesn't mean it means anything. If he thinks she's a biatch why can't he call here a biatch. If he thinks she's a cunnt, why shouldn't he call her a cuunt. It's his forum after all, he's just being decent so as not to really offend people. Feminsm is boring to us shovenists, lol.
I know, right? Those crazy feminists! All they want is empowerment and respect, ****ing cunts.I don't get the hilary thing at all, or why someone being a "cold bitch" matters. I think it's extremely stupid to vote for presidents based on gut feelings about their personality. I think policy matters much more than personality, but i'm in the voting minority I suppose. I do think that people's, (and by people, I pretty much mean middle aged, middle and upper class white men) "Hilary's a bitch" reaction shows how threatened those people still are of powerful and empowered woman. Who cares if she's a bitch, will she get the job done or won't she? That's what matters.
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Lol, calling McCain a prick is ridiculous, and I like both Obama and McCain. McCain is against torture, Gitmo and unlawful detention without trial. He is passionate about combating global warming. He is a multilateralist. He is the most consistently liberal candidate on immigration; on free trade; on low taxes and on small government. These are the substantive issues of the day and McCain is the most solid, consistent liberal on these issues.And although Obamas healthcare plan is good, McCain is the only candidate to have focused on the real, underlying problem; the COST of healthcare. While I'm a believer in universal cover, it will be a pipe-dream without getting costs under control. McCain's bipartisanship, solid credentials on free trade/immigration, leadership on global warming, enlightened attitude to the civil liberties and the rule of law, and his more multilateralist, less belligerent attitude to foreign policy matter much much more.Either way, McCain and Obama are both great. They're both non-divisive and bipartisan, as well as pragmatic rather than ideologues. They both take global warming seriously, are moderate on immigration, are multi-lateralist, are steadfastly against torture, hate what gitmo says about America, want to expand stem cell research and most importantly, both are the only two candidates in this election who have any chance or inclination to reverse the irresponsible and dangerous partisan divide in US society that Bush and Rove have done everything possible to deepen for partisan gain.

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It doesn't bother me at all to have a person of faith in the White House. What bothers me is when they want to bring their faith into government, even if it happens to be the same as mine. I really can't understand how the Christian conservatives can venerate the Founding Fathers and not look at the history that made them. Do we honestly want to go back to a state religion and inquisitions? That's just nuts! As for Hilary, if she wins I'll probably vote for an independent, Bloomberg if he runs or probably Nader if he doesn't though I can't stand Nader either. It would just be a protest vote on my part. I don't like McCain at all and I can't stand Hilary. It has nothing to do with her being a strong woman. It has to do with her basically being Bush/Cheney lite. I haven't seen her vote that often against Bush until she was running for President. That alone is enough to condemn her in my mind. I'd vote for McCain before I'd vote for Hilary. And there are a great number of Americans that feel the same way. So all you hard-core Dems out there better listen up because the only way I'll vote for Democrat for President this election is if the candidate is Obama.

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I don't think having Huckabee as VP is going to be as beneficial as you think, DN. VP's can help you carry the VP's home state, but that's really about it. (Most) VP's have no real power ( cheney is a notable exception), and have no real impact on executive decisions that evangelicals are likely to care about ( IE Judge selections). And it's not like many evangelical's are going to vote Democrat under any circumstances anyway ( Degenerate gamblers like BG who lose their votes golfing are the notable exceptions, of course). I think the Christian Evangelical vote will go to McCain, no matter whom he picks for VP, but I think their voter turn out will lower than usual.. again, no matter whom he picks as Vp> I think Obama's appeal to non-traditional voters like the youth and african americans is going to carry the day. I predict a high democratic voter turn out ,and a lower republican one, and I think the demo is gonna win comfortably in the general, winning key swing states.
DIEThis election will be the perfect example of choosing the evil of 3 lessors.Not one of them will do well for this country. Neither would Huckabee, even though I like him ( as does Chuck Norris )I'm afraid we will just have to change the constitution and reelected Bush for a 3rd term. It's for the best really.
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LMAO!This speach is not great, I gotta admit. Can't he just speak from the heart more, instead of read? it looks very wooden... (were those balloons guys balloons dropping just now? :club: )
Puleese...primary drops...newbies...I am doing a McCain fundraiser here in Palm Springs end of the month. Private home. Last year I did this same thing but it was for Arnold, and McCain was the speaker. So I'm sure Arnold will be speaking. It's pretty cool cause there are only like 40 people there. Very wealthy, a few actors etc like Tim Allen. So I'll let you know if I can get the gaming bill discussed. I stay to tech the lights. Arnold came up to my nose, little shorty
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DIEThis election will be the perfect example of choosing the evil of 3 lessors.Not one of them will do well for this country. Neither would Huckabee, even though I like him ( as does Chuck Norris )I'm afraid we will just have to change the constitution and reelected Bush for a 3rd term. It's for the best really.
BLEEEECH! You almost made me lose my breakfast BG. Bush has to be one of the worst of all time, right up there with my ancestor, U.S. Grant. I don't think you'll see a Bush in the White House again in our lifetime. :club:
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BLEEEECH! You almost made me lose my breakfast BG. Bush has to be one of the worst of all time, right up there with my ancestor, U.S. Grant. I don't think you'll see a Bush in the White House again in our lifetime. :club:
Don't forget Jeb Bush...And there is no way you can really beleive that Bush was worse than Clinton. You're kidding right?
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Don't forget Jeb Bush...And there is no way you can really beleive that Bush was worse than Clinton. You're kidding right?
Clinton was worse in his personal life but Bush was worse for the country. Actually Clinton was more Republican than Democrat in his policies. Both were somewhat bad for our image around the world although I'll take Clinton's image over Bush's. And I can't see ANYONE going for Jeb Bush after the Florida vote fiascos as well as the presidency of his brother. Though if my family is any indication, Jeb could well become a democrat,lol. That's how diverse the political spectrum is between my brothers and I. My brothers are hardcore Republicans even to the point of being Ron Paul supporters and I'm an Obama supporter. Of course if Obama loses then I'll probably be protest voting for another party (not McCain). When the family gets together, the political discussions can get umm rather heated. My husband is a McCain supporter and his brother is a rabid Democrat (he'll probably vote for Hilary if Obama doesn't get in). Regardless though, I think the present Bush president has left a sour enough taste in people's mouths that there's not a chance that Jeb would get the nomination. Unless of course, the Republican party decides to shoot itself in the foot ala the Democrats & Hilary.
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Honestly, I got to thinking more about this, and right now I'm not sure that either Obama or Hilllary can win.Reason is McCain now has half of the countries voters solidly in his camp. 50%. This now becomes a numbers game.So think about it a minute....we know that Obama supporters are not very fond of Hillary, and Hillary supporters dislike Obama to a degree.So, if Obama wins the nomination, the disgruntled Hillary voters (who loath him) will split off. Half will still support Obama, but some of those votes will head to McCains camp, lets just say just 10%. That's 60% now for McCain.Same thing will happen if Hillary wins. Some of the Democrats will feel like they are left without a candidate and head into Mc Cains camp, or not vote at all.PLUS, I think that there will be a larger than normal turn out this year, for all the wrong reasons. My contention is that there will be folks, that normally never vote, coming out and voting for McCain simply because they want to make sure that neither a black man or a woman wins. Lets just say this is 10% again. McCain now has 70% of the voters in his camp.Obviously this is a very un scientific opinion, but am I off base here? I'm sure I am over looking something, but this seems plausable.I will go out and say that while I tend to vote conservative, I am NOT a huge McCain fan.But if I am being objective, unless he does something terribly stupid, it seems like this is McCains election to lose.No?
If you go to the betting sites, they typically are a good indicator of which candidate will win (nothing like people willing to beg on an outcome to set the line). It was fairly accurate in the last election. I'm looking at intrade right now andRepub President: 37.1/38.9Democrat President: 61.0/62.5That's a huge difference and you're getting huge odds if you really feel that McCain will win.
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Obama: Riding an 8 week Love festHillary: Spending crazy amounts of money to beat ObamaElection 34 weeks away?Neither of them can sustain their current efforts to make it to the big show.McCain, as much as it pains me, will be the next pres. Probably pick Rudy or Thompson for VP, which explains why they bailed so quick. No way Mitt or Huckabee.

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Obama: Riding an 8 week Love festHillary: Spending crazy amounts of money to beat ObamaElection 34 weeks away?Neither of them can sustain their current efforts to make it to the big show.McCain, as much as it pains me, will be the next pres. Probably pick Rudy or Thompson for VP, which explains why they bailed so quick. No way Mitt or Huckabee.
Or he may pick the Governor of Florida.
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I know, right? Those crazy feminists! All they want is empowerment and respect, ****ing cunts.I don't get the hilary thing at all, or why someone being a "cold bitch" matters. I think it's extremely stupid to vote for presidents based on gut feelings about their personality. I think policy matters much more than personality, but i'm in the voting minority I suppose. I do think that people's, (and by people, I pretty much mean middle aged, middle and upper class white men) "Hilary's a bitch" reaction shows how threatened those people still are of powerful and empowered woman. Who cares if she's a bitch, will she get the job done or won't she? That's what matters.
QFT, and of course, I <3 BigD. I don't think Hilary is electable -- hence, I didn't vote for her. But I don't feel the need to use highly sexualized put-downs while male candidates get a simple, "I don't agree with their policies."Politically correct speech -- it's what we used to call "manners."
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Obama: Riding an 8 week Love festHillary: Spending crazy amounts of money to beat ObamaElection 34 weeks away?Neither of them can sustain their current efforts to make it to the big show.McCain, as much as it pains me, will be the next pres. Probably pick Rudy or Thompson for VP, which explains why they bailed so quick. No way Mitt or Huckabee.
Now both of those are interesting choices for VP. Rudy could help carry NY state, which would make him extremely valuable. Thompson is well spoken, likable guy, and certainly wouldn't hurt McCain. I think huckabee has too much down side.
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