Breaking Bad

[vbnautilus 48]

Hank lost his job partly because of Walt

How do you figure that? He lost his job because he couldn't keep his PTSD under control. The only reason he had a job was because of Walt and others like him.

[king_tanner 84]

How do you figure that? He lost his job because he couldn't keep his PTSD under control. The only reason he had a job was because of Walt and others like him.

I think that Walt is showing that he is more about the drugs than his family because he continues to cook meth while he knows that Hank is under a full investigation trying to bring down whoever is responsible. Walt could have stopped cooking before all this shit happened. This a major traumatic thing that happened, and just because Walt is associated with the "bad guys" makes it partly his fault.If Hank ever finds out Walt's association I guarantee that everyone including Hank will blame Walt for all of this.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I think that Walt is showing that he is more about the drugs than his family because he continues to cook meth while he knows that Hank is under a full investigation trying to bring down whoever is responsible. Walt could have stopped cooking before all this shit happened.

The point is, hank has to take responsibility for his own actions. If he didn't hit jessie, he would have hit someone else. It's his anger issues, his impulse control problem, that's his problem. On the other hand.. hank might not have been SHOT if it wasn't for Walt..

[SlapStick 0]

I really like about the show how we and Walt are involved in a much bigger game of chess and have no idea about it. This episode was the first the insight we had to the game Pollo was playing, we all thought he was giving up Hank just to protect Walt and then he goes and uses the whole thing to take out a Cartel Boss. Very enjoyable.I still think its a major problem letting Jesse in there. If Pollo owns that building then its connected to him and he lets Jesse have free access to it? Jesse's friend who picked him up at the hospital maybe drove him to the building? Thats already two people who can rat them out now.It was annoying me at the start but I am starting to enjoy Jesse's frequent use of the word bitch. "Roll me further, bitch"

[ltrainkoja55 0]

where the hell was my five minutes of Saul this week. They give me my first five minutes for free, get me addicted and then cut me off? How is that business model going to make any money-

[king_tanner 84]

I still think its a major problem letting Jesse in there. If Pollo owns that building then its connected to him and he lets Jesse have free access to it? Jesse's friend who picked him up at the hospital maybe drove him to the building? Thats already two people who can rat them out now.

Doesn't Walt have to let Jesse work in there with him? Remember in the hospital room scene a couple weeks ago where Jesse said he was going to keep cooking and he didn't care if he got caught and he would give up Walt's name also. He also said he was going to sue Hank for everything he's worth. So Walt has to work with Jesse so he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't sue Hank.

[SlapStick 0]

Doesn't Walt have to let Jesse work in there with him? Remember in the hospital room scene a couple weeks ago where Jesse said he was going to keep cooking and he didn't care if he got caught and he would give up Walt's name also. He also said he was going to sue Hank for everything he's worth. So Walt has to work with Jesse so he keeps his mouth shut and doesn't sue Hank.

Yea but I meant on Gus Pollo's behalf. Letting Jesse in gets Jesse way to close to the Pollo operation.

[strategy's_touch 0]

... wow.

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

i don't think i've ever been as riveted by two dudes talking in an empty room as walt and gus in the trailer.

[strategy's_touch 0]

i don't think i've ever been as riveted by two dudes talking in an empty room as walt and gus in the trailer.

I've seen a few titles that feature dudes in empty trailers that you may find equally as riveting. PM me for more details.

[LadyGrey 6]

They missed a really obvious joke this episode. After Jesse told his woodwork story one of the chicks should have said "yeah I traded my box for weed too".It's been a while since one of the notable characters died in this show... I vote for Skyler to kick the bucket. She knows too much anyway, and her face looks wack this season (plastic surgery?).Another thought: After Jesse got all hooked on the dope and Walt had to get rid of Jane and ship Jesse to rehab, we saw that Walt had begun to be fond of Jesse and see him as almost a relative (referring to him as his 'nephew' in the conversation with Jane's dad). He wanted Jesse for his lab assistant even though Gail (sp?) was way more qualified, personable, and made amazing coffee. Yet all that development in their relationship has kinda fallen by the wayside. Jesse still seems oblivious to Walt's paternalism, and is once again looking to do his own business without Walt, behind Walt's back. Despite everything they have gone through, Jesse is still ungrateful and disrespectful of Walt. Now, I don't expect their relationship/partnership to ever be completely copacetic, but at some point they have to let Jesse develop into more of a responsible adult who recognises that he and Walt care about each other. I thought now he has kicked his addiction that he would be more emotionally intelligent, but I guess they feel like his character will get boring if he doesn't keep reverting into this screw-up drug dealer with his get-rich-quick schemes that bring his gang of boneheads back into the equation.Long thought, eh?

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

Another thought: After Jesse got all hooked on the dope and Walt had to get rid of Jane and ship Jesse to rehab, we saw that Walt had begun to be fond of Jesse and see him as almost a relative (referring to him as his 'nephew' in the conversation with Jane's dad). He wanted Jesse for his lab assistant even though Gail (sp?) was way more qualified, personable, and made amazing coffee. Yet all that development in their relationship has kinda fallen by the wayside. Jesse still seems oblivious to Walt's paternalism, and is once again looking to do his own business without Walt, behind Walt's back. Despite everything they have gone through, Jesse is still ungrateful and disrespectful of Walt. Now, I don't expect their relationship/partnership to ever be completely copacetic, but at some point they have to let Jesse develop into more of a responsible adult who recognises that he and Walt care about each other. I thought now he has kicked his addiction that he would be more emotionally intelligent, but I guess they feel like his character will get boring if he doesn't keep reverting into this screw-up drug dealer with his get-rich-quick schemes that bring his gang of boneheads back into the equation.Long thought, eh?

Well, given the relationship Jesse has with his parents, he very well could in fact see Walk's paternalism, and this is the way he's repaying him. He's the thing, the more time goes on, the more walt turns into the chicken man, the more "hardcore" he gets, the less and less sense it makes to have him give away half of his millions and millions to an incompetent **** up like jesse. Like, if walt can be okay with fact that the chickenman had the 2 mexicans come after his brother in law, how can he be okay with such a libality as jesse? he should have let the chicken man kill him.Of course, he can't have the chicken man kill him, because it doesn't make sense for the show to ditch jesse, but the more and more ****ed up things jesse does, and the more hardcore walt, the less and less sense it's going to make to let jesse live.

[strategy 4]

He fired his assistant Doug (Gail?) because Gus was very obviously going to fire Walt and promote Doug once the three months were up. Cancer, previous entanglements with Jesse, etc. all make Doug the better choice for the lab guy.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

He fired his assistant Doug (Gail?) because Gus was very obviously going to fire Walt and promote Doug once the three months were up. Cancer, previous entanglements with Jesse, etc. all make Doug the better choice for the lab guy.

I think you're projecting that reason onto him .He didn't start disliking gail until he realized that jesse was going to get him self killed.

[strategy 4]

I think you're projecting that reason onto him .He didn't start disliking gail until he realized that jesse was going to get him self killed.

Think back to the scene where Walt invents a temperature difference to get angry at Doug. He comes into the lab to find that Doug has done most of the work himself, and has taken rigorous notes, and seems to have the technique down perfectly. I thought it was pretty clear, but you and LG make two, so maybe I am wrong.Like I said, it makes perfect sense from Gus' perspective to pick such an overqualified guy to be Walt's assistant. Gus wants someone clean and retard-free to run his lab after Walt dies.

[SlapStick 0]

I really enjoyed when Skyler was telling her gambling tale and she lowered her voice, it showed Walt leaning in with Marie, he was so captivated.In regards to Doug, I thought he was there to learn Walts skills and take over but I thought it was obvious when Jesse said he would rat out Walt if caught and sue Hank that Walt brought him in to give him money to be content and also to keep an eye on him. On Strats point, it would be really cool if he brought in Jesse as he knew Gus would never work with Jesse so therefore his job was safe while sorting out the Hank problem. It was pretty impressive how he called Gus's entire move so maybe Walt has the capability to fixed so many problems in one move too.

[LadyGrey 6]

Like I said, it makes perfect sense from Gus' perspective to pick such an overqualified guy to be Walt's assistant. Gus wants someone clean and retard-free to run his lab after Walt dies.

This makes sense, but then why did Gus just let Walt replace him with an obviously unreliable, erratic ex-addict with an attitude problem? At the end of the day he is Walt's boss so he is the ultimate authority on staffing, and he still needs a replacement/back-up for Walt. Is Gus really just going to give up on the idea of training a replacement because Walt said he didn't like Gail? I don't think so. He doesn't like or trust Jesse.

[vbnautilus 48]

This makes sense, but then why did Gus just let Walt replace him with an obviously unreliable, erratic ex-addict with an attitude problem? At the end of the day he is Walt's boss so he is the ultimate authority on staffing, and he still needs a replacement/back-up for Walt. Is Gus really just going to give up on the idea of training a replacement because Walt said he didn't like Gail? I don't think so. He doesn't like or trust Jesse.

I think he understands that he also needs to keep Walt happy. If Walt falls apart, everything falls apart for Gus. Also, with the Mexicans gone, the need for a replacement is not so pressing any more. Hence, the extension of Walt's contract.

[LadyGrey 6]

I think he understands that he also needs to keep Walt happy. If Walt falls apart, everything falls apart for Gus. Also, with the Mexicans gone, the need for a replacement is not so pressing any more. Hence, the extension of Walt's contract.

He can sway Walt with money pretty easily, and Walt still has the whole cancer issue so there's no knowing how long he will last. I think replacement is still an issue, and having Jesse as an assistant wasn't a real dealbreaker for Walt. Gus could still try to put another Gail in there.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

He can sway Walt with money pretty easily, and Walt still has the whole cancer issue so there's no knowing how long he will last. I think replacement is still an issue, and having Jesse as an assistant wasn't a real dealbreaker for Walt. Gus could still try to put another Gail in there.

yeah, but the cancer isn't like a heart condition, if walt takes a down turn, Gus will be able to see it coming from a ways off.

[strategy 4]

pretty easily my least favorite episode

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

pretty easily my least favorite episode

Are you serious? I had the exact opposite reaction. I think this is the episode that pushed bb above the sopranos into my number 3 all time spot. The Director of Brick directed this very special BB, btw.

[bigkg 0]

Are you serious? I had the exact opposite reaction. I think this is the episode that pushed bb above the sopranos into my number 3 all time spot. The Director of Brick directed this very special BB, btw.

I agree with all of this except for the surpassing The Sopranos part (though I think it pushed BB past Mad Men). This episode was fucking incredible.

[Dirtydutch 8]

I agree with all of this except for the surpassing The Sopranos part (though I think it pushed BB past Mad Men). This episode was fucking incredible.

I agree with all of this except the part about 16 years old being too young...it's a ripe, ripe age.

[LadyGrey 6]

pretty easily my least favorite episode

Are you serious? I had the exact opposite reaction. I think this is the episode that pushed bb above the sopranos into my number 3 all time spot. The Director of Brick directed this very special BB, btw.

I thought it was a very intense episode. I was a little confused as to Jesse's motives though. Why did he drug Walt? Was it to calm him down because he was frenzied, or because he wanted him to be out of it so he could get to work, or what? It was such a big dosage that it didn't feel benign to me, even though it didn't seem like he wanted to harm Walt.The ending kinda bugged me, as you know I want to see Jesse make a breakthrough with Walt. I thought this episode being just the 2 of them that I would finally see the payoff, at least after Walt drove off, some look of guilt from Jesse, like he knew he had lost the respect of someone who cares about him. I get why he is defensive, I get why the show needs him to be, but he just spent hours hunting a fly and trying to calm down and control Walt... still no growth. Also I really wish he would get over Jane. He didn't know her that long, and she wasn't that special. Mostly they just ****ed and got high together - is that his idea of love? I guess that one cartoon she drew for him and his intention to go to an art gallery with her are the evidence of some emotional connection on his part. Of course, I am biased against her having seen how she instantly got serious about him once she found out about the money he was owed.Anyway, the episode: very effective and well-made, high tensions, almost Pinter-esque, and Walt's monologue about the perfect moment to have died was excellent. The stuff with the fly was pretty frustrating (as it was intended to be) so I didn't 'enjoy' watching it so much, especially when Jesse was on the ladder. However, I appreciate the intent and execution of the episode. It was a very good episode, and not the sort of thing you normally see on mainstream TV. It didn't kowtow to the typical populist draws of sex, violence, or even drugs. Just good old-fashioned drama. They could convert this episode into a play.