serge 904 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Teams ARE over the cap though.I found this..Currently you can be over the cap up to a certain amount, then these things can happen:Impose a fine of up to $5 million in the case of a Circumvention bya Club or Club Actor, but in no circumstances shall such fine beless than $1 million against any Club or Club Actor if such party isfound to have violated Article 50 of this Agreement. If such a fineis assessed against a Club (except in the case of a financialreporting violation), that Club's Payroll Room shall also bereduced by such amount for the following League Year;Impose a fine against a Player of up to the lesser of $1 million ortwenty-five (25%) percent of a Player's Paragraph 1 Salary in thecase of a Circumvention by a Player or Player Actor, but in nocircumstances shall such fine be below the lesser of $250,000 ortwenty-five (25%) percent of the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary;Direct a Club to forfeit draft picks (the number, placement, andLeague Year of which shall be determined in the Commissioner'ssole discretion);Declare a forfeiture of any NHL Game(s) determined to have beenaffected by a Circumvention;Void any SPC, or any extension of an SPC, between any Playerand any Club when both the Player or Player Actor and the Club orClub Actor are found to have committed such a violation withrespect to such SPC or extension;Suspend any Club employee, Player, or Certified Agent involvedin such a violation for a period of time determined in the solediscretion of the Commissioner, the System Arbitrator, or theNHLPA, respectively. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 It's funny to see Serge talk about being over the cap. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It's funny to see Serge talk about being over the cap.That took you WAAAAAY longer than I thought it would..... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 That took you WAAAAAY longer than I thought it would..... I was at work with no internet access. My ears and fingertips were burning all shift. Link to post Share on other sites
7s7c 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 (And, as an aside, that 25/7 free agency is the single biggest mistake the owners have made in 30 years, and will likely be the cause of another lockout in the very near future).Agreed. It is why you are going to see Mike Richards-esque contracts be given out and a lot of "well he scored 20 goals as a 23 year old last year, let's hope it wasn't a fluke and go ahead and sign him for 6y/30m" type of deals. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Agreed. It is why you are going to see Mike Richards-esque contracts be given out and a lot of "well he scored 20 goals as a 23 year old last year, let's hope it wasn't a fluke and go ahead and sign him for 6y/30m" type of deals. That, and lots of contracts like Rick Nash, where a GM overpays for a player to buy free agency years.... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That took you WAAAAAY longer than I thought it would..... For the record that wasnt funny..Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 That, and lots of contracts like Rick Nash, where a GM overpays for a player to buy free agency years....Ok, so maybe im being overly simplistic, but I cant see how as long as the total salary costs remain under the current percentage threshold, the owners would have many financial problems. As a business owner, as long as I knew the percentage of my costs, I can pretty much guarantee myself a nice margin as long as I continue to grow the operation.I agree the 25/7 was rather ridiculous (i remember when giving players the rights to being a UFA at 31 was seen as HUGE), but in simple terms, does it really still matter which players get the majority of the money, and who doesn't? I just assumed that these changes would decrease the amounts paid to players in their 30's, because now they wont be the only ones coming up for UFA status. That demand will shrink, and their salaries will suffer. No more 33year old Roberts+Mogilny 3yr contracts.The only thing I see is an inability of the "smaller" markets being able to keep up with resigning their young, but if revenue sharing really is going on, then that shouldnt be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites
WestcoastCanuck 0 Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Ok, so maybe im being overly simplistic, but I cant see how as long as the total salary costs remain under the current percentage threshold, the owners would have many financial problems. As a business owner, as long as I knew the percentage of my costs, I can pretty much guarantee myself a nice margin as long as I continue to grow the operation.I agree the 25/7 was rather ridiculous (i remember when giving players the rights to being a UFA at 31 was seen as HUGE), but in simple terms, does it really still matter which players get the majority of the money, and who doesn't? I just assumed that these changes would decrease the amounts paid to players in their 30's, because now they wont be the only ones coming up for UFA status. That demand will shrink, and their salaries will suffer. No more 33year old Roberts+Mogilny 3yr contracts.The only thing I see is an inability of the "smaller" markets being able to keep up with resigning their young, but if revenue sharing really is going on, then that shouldnt be an issue.The biggest problem I see with the 25/7 thing is it leads to even more player movement. One of the most effective ways to grow a sport in a city is to have a fan base grow with a player. As it stands now, a player can (and often will) leave right when the fanbase is starting to really get behind him. Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 The biggest problem I see with the 25/7 thing is it leads to even more player movement. One of the most effective ways to grow a sport in a city is to have a fan base grow with a player. As it stands now, a player can (and often will) leave right when the fanbase is starting to really get behind him.Joe Sakic's return to the Nordiques.... sorry, Avalanche.... brings up an interesting debate: Will we ever see another hall of famer play his entire career with one team? I say no..... and it's a shame.. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Joe Sakic's return to the Nordiques.... sorry, Avalanche.... brings up an interesting debate: Will we ever see another hall of famer play his entire career with one team? I say no..... and it's a shame..what? you don't think the pens can keep crosby for his career? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 what? you don't think the pens can keep crosby for his career? No, I really don't. And from what I've seen from Crosby...and this does NOT make him a bad person.... I could easily see him moving on.. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Joe Sakic's return to the Nordiques.... sorry, Avalanche.... brings up an interesting debate: Will we ever see another hall of famer play his entire career with one team? I say no..... and it's a shame..actually, i think we will. DiPietro looks like an Islander for life, and I could see him possibly having that kind of career.What about Lecavalier?Maybe more teams will give DiPietro/Richards type deals and lock in players for life, especially those looking like future stars.At least they will lock in for a players prime.....who knows what happens when a guy turns 36 and wants to keep playing. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 Joe Sakic's return to the Nordiques.... sorry, Avalanche.... brings up an interesting debate: Will we ever see another hall of famer play his entire career with one team? I say no..... and it's a shame..Nik Lidstrom Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 actually, i think we will. DiPietro looks like an Islander for life, and I could see him possibly having that kind of career.What about Lecavalier?Maybe more teams will give DiPietro/Richards type deals and lock in players for life, especially those looking like future stars.At least they will lock in for a players prime.....who knows what happens when a guy turns 36 and wants to keep playing.DiPietro is not a Hall Of Famer. Lecavalier..... possibly. Lidstrom, yes. The thing with Lidstrom is that I could have easily seen him go to another team, except why the HELL would you want to leave a team that's a contender year after year? And for the record.... to clarify, I was referring to players that are eligible for the 25/7.... Lidstrom and Lecavalier both have been around for quite a while.. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 DiPietro is not a Hall Of Famer. Lecavalier..... possibly. Lidstrom, yes. The thing with Lidstrom is that I could have easily seen him go to another team, except why the HELL would you want to leave a team that's a contender year after year? And for the record.... to clarify, I was referring to players that are eligible for the 25/7.... Lidstrom and Lecavalier both have been around for quite a while..This is another negative aspect of the new CBA and Salary cap...It is almost impossible for a guy like Crosby to play for one team for the rest of his career. Link to post Share on other sites
7s7c 0 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 DiPietro is not a Hall Of Famer. Lecavalier..... possibly. Lidstrom, yes. The thing with Lidstrom is that I could have easily seen him go to another team, except why the HELL would you want to leave a team that's a contender year after year? And for the record.... to clarify, I was referring to players that are eligible for the 25/7.... Lidstrom and Lecavalier both have been around for quite a while..It's prolly a bit early to call any <= 25 yr old a HOFer but I doubt Mike Richards is going anywhere for awhiles. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 I agree with Chris I don't think any player is safe anymore one just one team. Once he starts to slow down and becomes expendable then trade value is possible. The younger players on the team want more time and then options due open up cause that will put pressure on the veteran to either step up his game or look else where. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Tonight on the grill room , are very own GRUVEN will make an appearance..its on Sun TV at 11 pm on my cable.. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted September 20, 2008 Author Share Posted September 20, 2008 Chris, are you going to be at the AHL draft again this year? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Chris, are you going to be at the AHL draft again this year?Nope. Much like a good triple draw hand, I believe GM Negreanu will be standing pat for the most part with the Cheap Thieves, therefore I believe my services will not be required.. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 talked to Darrell today and he would love to have him.... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Chris,How does amateur tryouts work? How can a player come to camp if they arent drafted?Guys like Eric Wellwood, is it because they arent draft eligible as they are too old?Can the Leafs just invite Tavares to camp..I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Chris,How does amateur tryouts work? How can a player come to camp if they arent drafted?Guys like Eric Wellwood, is it because they arent draft eligible as they are too old?Can the Leafs just invite Tavares to camp..I doubt it. Didn't they "try" and convince him to sit out his junior illegibility and then sign a pro contract with them as a PR stunt?And to answer your question: yes. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Steve Yzerman played his entire career with one team but he's not a HOFer. Link to post Share on other sites
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