Early In 20k Gtd On Pstars

[BeaverStyle 1]

Villain has shown already about 6-7 hands in that he's very active, betting people out of pots, taking control of pots in position, etc.What's your play on this turn, given that villain will be betting any pair + draw combos as well as TP any kicker.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Hero (t3240)UTG+1 (t4360)MP1 (t2970)MP2 (t4005)MP3 (t2870)CO (t2930)Button (t2640)SB (t985)BB (t3000)Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A . Hero raises to t80, UTG+1 calls t80, 4 folds, Button calls t80, 2 folds.Flop: (t270) 5 , J , 6 (3 players)Hero bets t150, UTG+1 calls t150, Button folds.Turn: (t570) 9 (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t420, Hero raises to ???????I checked the turn to invoke a bet, and I got it. I'm 99% ahead here. What do we raise to for value here?

[BeaverStyle 1]

25 views and no comments?How would you donks play this?!?!

[ROFLCHOPPA 0]

I bump it up to about 1k

[BeaverStyle 1]

I bump it up to about 1k

570 + 420 + 1,000 = 1,990... so he has to call 580 into a pot of 1,990, he's getting about 3.4-1 on his call. I think we need to raise more than this is he's on a draw, which we can safely assume he is a good percentage of the time. (something like pair + straight draw)Anyone shove here?

[ROFLCHOPPA 0]

Yes in retrospect, I could see an argument for shoving

[outsider13 0]

I like the play. C/R that turn all-in. That's how I'd play it.

[gobears 0]

Based on your read that you're way ahead, I'd shove. The board is draw heavy and since villain could be playing many different hands, shoving takes away from having to guess OOP if he hit a draw or not.Against an unknown, I would just bet the turn but you had a read that the guy would bet if you checked so that's fine.

[Sheiky 0]

Raise to something stupid so in the hope he thinks he has some fold equity.

[StupidKid 0]

Ja, I just ship.

[copernicus 0]

Raise to something stupid so in the hope he thinks he has some fold equity.

Hero isnt getting any value out of a shove here. If hes a real donk then I like sheiky's "something stupid", which to me is a min-raise. Its surprising how often that induces an aggressive response. It does carry some risk of pricing in and getting sucked out on by a 5 outer, but if youre happy with a 1k pot, then just push.

[BeaverStyle 1]

Hero isnt getting any value out of a shove here. If hes a real donk then I like sheiky's "something stupid", which to me is a min-raise. Its surprising how often that induces an aggressive response. It does carry some risk of pricing in and getting sucked out on by a 5 outer, but if youre happy with a 1k pot, then just push.

A 1k pot w/ blinds at 15/30 is fine by me, especially holding just aces.

[copernicus 0]

A 1k pot w/ blinds at 15/30 is fine by me, especially holding just aces.

Then shoveling is the best line by far.

[mk 11]

i think shoving loses a ton of value against this type of villain.in spots like this you should be thinking about bet-sizing in order to set up a river shove that will be tempting for him to call. if you c/r the turn to 1100 or so and get called, the pot on the river will be around 2800 and you will have ~1900 to ship which seems about right.i don't mind the stack-a-donk line of min check-raising the turn either. might induce him to just get it in right away. but given your description of the villain as someone who likes to move people off hands, i would've probably just led the turn hoping to 3-bet shove.

[Alex916F 0]

if homeboy is lagtard i dont know if your necessarily smart in thinking your 99% sure your ahead. one thing 78 just got there, J9 (one of lagtards favorite holdings) just got there. Imo I think a bigger bet on flop is def. necessary because it is so draw heavy v. 2 opponents. checking on turn is pretty dangerous too because a smart opp would def. recognize a good situation to check behind and see a free card for their draws. If vill. is over aggro and really think he could be floating and have no peace of this flop c/c c/c the river would be smart no matter what appears on river cuz he is likely to bluff a bunch with a board like this. If you put him on a combo draw c/r all in would probably be the bestPeace

[Mercury69 3]

I'd raise it up to 1400-ish. If he overshoves, well, there's another tourney in a minute, right? So I call and lose to his 2 pair or str8.Preflop raise should be a little bigger, more like 120-150. Betting only 80 in these double stack tourneys is invitational and you definitely don't want to be facing 3-5 people postflop.

[copernicus 0]

Preflop raise should be a little bigger, more like 120-150. Betting only 80 in these double stack tourneys is invitational and you definitely don't want to be facing 3-5 people postflop.

If everyone did that it would pretty much negate the value of playing deep stacked tournaments, effectively increasing the blinds! I havent noticed any looser calling in the $100 DS's I play.

[Mercury69 3]

If everyone did that it would pretty much negate the value of playing deep stacked tournaments, effectively increasing the blinds! I havent noticed any looser calling in the $100 DS's I play.

Hi!I'm not saying it's "standard", but I see a lot of people at my level ($10-$20 tourneys) who are more than willing to call a 4x BB raise, particularly after they limped in. As you say, it kind of negates the "deepstack" part of it, as well the blinds might as well be higher, but it's fairly common. You might be surprised at how many people are willing to go toe to toe for their whole stack before the first hour is done. Quite crazy.

[MovingIn 0]

A raise to 100 at the 10/20 level is a more convincing raise than 60-80. Donks will call 60-80 with all kinds of marginal crap, but for some reason 100 reduces the number of calls. Maybe it's the number of digits.Sure, once the levels get up to 25/50, then 3-4x the BB is fine, but at the early levels a standard PF raise carries too little fold equity to make any impact.