mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 $1/$2/$300 NLHEVillain1: a billion ($2,600 +/-) Very looseVillain2: $850 Very tight and knows how to playHero: a billion ($3,000 +/-)Hero picks up KK in the SB. UTG opens to $12UTG1 calls Villain1 callsMP callsVillain2 raises to $75Hero?I'll see what you all think about this very deepstack play, then I'll tell you what the next action was. Link to post Share on other sites
Andromeda 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I think I'm raising here, say to $175. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 you make it sound like you figured villain1 was going to call unless you boosted it to something stupid, and not wanting to play OOP against 2 opponents super-deep, you just flat called here with a hand guaranteed to be i think i would still 3bet Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i think i would still 3betIt would be a 4 bet.To a thinking player, whether you cold call or 4 bet it's going to represent massive strength considering the action in front of you, and that it was UTG that opened.I think I just make it $275 to go... don't give a single stack on the table odds to mine you. Link to post Share on other sites
StilettoNole 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Agreed. I think I reraise here large. Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 It's an easy 4-bet, considering our positional disadvantage. Link to post Share on other sites
ROFLCHOPPA 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Over the Top for about $250-300 range should do the trick Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I would call, 4 betting your hand is going to give it away to a good player, unless you have been 4 betting lots of things? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I would call, 4 betting your hand is going to give it away to a good player, unless you have been 4 betting lots of things?i think calling is very bad with 5 guys in the pot already if you just call then first in calls then you may lose one player if your lucky. i think we have to narrow the field here even if we get it HU. i 4-bet to around $275 Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i think calling is very bad with 5 guys in the pot already if you just call then first in calls then you may lose one player if your lucky. i think we have to narrow the field here even if we get it HU. i 4-bet to around $275that is one way to play it, the thing I don't like about this is that he calls the $200 knowing our range down to 2 hands so often... I love cracking people that overplay one hand.If you can play post flop you can call here but you have to be able to muck on a 456 flop...Meh its gambling... Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 that is one way to play it, the thing I don't like about this is that he calls the $200 knowing our range down to 2 hands so often... I love cracking people that overplay one hand.If you can play post flop you can call here but you have to be able to muck on a 456 flop...Meh its gambling...So by cold calling from the SB we narrow down our hand to 3 hands? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 that is one way to play it, the thing I don't like about this is that he calls the $200 knowing our range down to 2 hands so often... I love cracking people that overplay one hand.If you can play post flop you can call here but you have to be able to muck on a 456 flop...Meh its gambling...agreedi guess playing style could have an impact on how i play this. Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i don't think flat calling here necessarily signals that we have QQ+/AKdepends on how we've been playing up to this point, but with that large of a PF 3bet by tight villain, and given that both of us are deep, a thinking player also considers that our calling range might be wider in that we're trying to setmine ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 Over the Top for about $250-300 range should do the trickI made it $225. Everyone lays down except the tight player. He announces all in. Here's the thing. Tight player knows I can do this with AK AQ QQ even JJ against the loose villain. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I made it $225. Everyone lays down except the tight player. He announces all in. Here's the thing. Tight player knows I can do this with AK AQ QQ even JJ against the loose villain.I know where you're headed with this...stop itstop it!!!!!FRIGGING CALL Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I know where you're headed with this...stop itstop it!!!!!FRIGGING CALL I know where you're headed with this...stop itstop it!!!!!FRIGGING CALL I know where you're headed with this...stop itstop it!!!!!FRIGGING CALL Link to post Share on other sites
Dictius 0 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If he knows you can do this with a wide-ish range then that would make his range wider? Definitely wider than just AA Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 If he knows you can do this with a wide-ish range then that would make his range wider? Definitely wider than just AAIt's kind of a problem, isn't it? Because we could both be trying to isolate the whale. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 It's kind of a problem, isn't it? Because we could both be trying to isolate the whale.Anyway, ultimately I believe that this guy only does this into me with AA. So I laid em down. I laid em down. And he shows: AA Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I know where you're headed with this...stop itstop it!!!!!FRIGGING CALLnice readtake it down, sir. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 nice readtake it down, sir.Even worse, the dealer peeks and an A flops.The whole reason I play it this way is because he only makes the big re-raise with a big PP -- AA KK and sometimes QQ. He take a flop with AK. Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Even worse, the dealer peeks and an A flops.The whole reason I play it this way is because he only makes the big re-raise with a big PP -- AA KK and sometimes QQ. He take a flop with AK.LOL @ resultsResults from http:\\www.HoldEmRanger.com 123,285,888 evaluations, 72 hole card combosPre-flop Wins Ties Equity36.99% 0.23% 37.22% ( KK ) 62.55% 0.23% 62.78% ( AA(70),QQ(30) ) Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 This fold is fine. He's 400+ BBs deep. The guy's tight and reraised an UTG raiser and a bunch of callers and then 5 bet shoves over a reraise. Calling with KK here really isn't profitable. Nice hand. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 This fold is fine. He's 400+ BBs deep. The guy's tight and reraised an UTG raiser and a bunch of callers and then 5 bet shoves over a reraise. Calling with KK here really isn't profitable. Nice hand.another reason to just call, you don't get blown off your hand when he does have AA, and you have a chance to stack him. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 another reason to just call, you don't get blown off your hand when he does have AA, and you have a chance to stack him.No, I really think he makes the right play here. His hand is too big and there are too many people already in the pot NOT to reraise here. Link to post Share on other sites
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