was this idiotic

[pokerplayer24 0]

People love to reraise when they flop the nuts.Calling with 67 spades is fine, reraising when you've flopped the nuts makes no sense as there is a good chance that u dont get paid off.

[DCWildcat 0]

I've seen so many plays WAY worse than calling with a 67s. Who cares? In no limit, you can have some fun. Poker is a game; if you want to make some calls with hands that aren't Type 1 Hands, go ahead. You did what we all dream of doing when we make a call from late position with a suited connector, you took down the Ace high flush with the straight flush. I hope it was as glorious as I always imagined.

While I think creativity is important in NLHE, I'd have to disagree with this call. Not profitable again in the long run.As far as the above post is concerned...I think poker is a fun game, yes, and if your goal is to have fun then by all means play what you wish. There's no disrespect here. But the subject of the post is whether or not the move was idiotic, which to me is essentially asking whether not its "smart" which in poker means "profitable."And absolute...please do be more informative on your posts. It makes your comments more valid.

[JistTheFist 0]

what people are saying is that sometimes calling 4XXBB in't a bad idea with suited connectors... but the main thing is where you are in position..because you don't know if it's only going to be 4XXBB... it could get reraised preflop which would make you fold... and you just wasted 4xBB... in later position with at least 2 other players then call...in early position when you have more people left to act.. and you definitely DON'T want the pot to be heads up. fold.

[obs 0]

Don't play at NL tables shortstacked. You should be rebuying everytime you fall below $20.

[subz321 0]

As some have already said, calling from EP is a tough decision to make in a ring game. If you feel like you can outplay your opponent post-flop, then do it without hesitation. But obviously his raise commands some respect, and I just can't see myself paying 4x the BB just to hopefully catch a nice flop. If this was a tournament, it may be different, as your implied odds would set you up to bust the guy just by catching a good flop - but I'd pass on this hand in a ring game, unless I was feeling very loose and generous.

[JistTheFist 0]

As some have already said, calling from EP is a tough decision to make in a ring game. If you feel like you can outplay your opponent post-flop, then do it without hesitation. But obviously his raise commands some respect, and I just can't see myself paying 4x the BB just to hopefully catch a nice flop. If this was a tournament, it may be different, as your implied odds would set you up to bust the guy just by catching a good flop - but I'd pass on this hand in a ring game, unless I was feeling very loose and generous.

it doesn't matter if you feel that you can outplay your opponent or not... You're still facing players behind you that could reraise... you're not gonna outplay them postflop... cuz if they raise it up again PRE-flop you're gonna want to fold.secondly, you don't have position... and listen, I know it can be done... but it's much harder to outplay your opponent when you don't have position on them. so you're probably just setting yourself up to lose more money.in EP calling a raise with mid suited connectors is giving away money.... you won $29 from the hand.... I'm sure you've probably wasted $43 calling with these hands and check-folding once the flop comes... in the long run... this play will lose you money.

[JistTheFist 0]

As some have already said, calling from EP is a tough decision to make in a ring game. If you feel like you can outplay your opponent post-flop, then do it without hesitation. But obviously his raise commands some respect, and I just can't see myself paying 4x the BB just to hopefully catch a nice flop. If this was a tournament, it may be different, as your implied odds would set you up to bust the guy just by catching a good flop - but I'd pass on this hand in a ring game, unless I was feeling very loose and generous.

it doesn't matter if you feel that you can outplay your opponent or not... You're still facing players behind you that could reraise... you're not gonna outplay them postflop... cuz if they raise it up again PRE-flop you're gonna want to fold.secondly, you don't have position... and listen, I know it can be done... but it's much harder to outplay your opponent when you don't have position on them. so you're probably just setting yourself up to lose more money.in EP calling a raise with mid suited connectors is giving away money.... you won $29 from the hand.... I'm sure you've probably wasted $43 calling with these hands and check-folding once the flop comes... in the long run... this play will lose you money.

[crocd99 0]

People love to reraise when they flop the nuts.Calling with 67 spades is fine, reraising when you've flopped the nuts makes no sense as there is a good chance that u dont get paid off.

i see what you mean but on the flop i had the nut str8 but there were two spades out there. when he bet four i thought he had a big flush draw. i know i had a flush draw but they way the game had been played (he was raising big on his draws) i thought i should reraise him thinking he had a bigger flush draw to make him pay for his draw. yes i flopped the nut hand but there were outs for him to get a better hand so i wanted to make him pay for the draw thats why i raised... if that isnt right let me know

[JistTheFist 0]

People love to reraise when they flop the nuts.Calling with 67 spades is fine, reraising when you've flopped the nuts makes no sense as there is a good chance that u dont get paid off.

i see what you mean but on the flop i had the nut str8 but there were two spades out there. when he bet four i thought he had a big flush draw. i know i had a flush draw but they way the game had been played (he was raising big on his draws) i thought i should reraise him thinking he had a bigger flush draw to make him pay for his draw. yes i flopped the nut hand but there were outs for him to get a better hand so i wanted to make him pay for the draw thats why i raised... if that isnt right let me know

no that was the right move. you can't let him hit a spade that doesn't help you and take the hand away... especially cuz the four or nine of spades makes you a winner still. so he had less outs than he thought... the raise was correct because you don't want to let him see cheap cards.

[Meatwad 0]

Over thousands of hands calling a 4x BB raise with 67s is a money losing play. Maybe if you normally play 50/100 NL and step down to .10/.25 then fine, it doesn't matter. But I'm sure he is trying to build a BR at the lowers levels and its not a good call preflop.

so don't call it thousands of times. but seriously i don't think it was that bad of a play, not one i would probably make, but if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair. postflop you were in great shape with the straight. he thinks his flush is the nuts, asks if he should call, and is now probably on some other forum complaining how party is rigged and how everyone else on there is a fish. just think of it as one of the best dollars you ever spent. :-)

[JistTheFist 0]

if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair.

I'm sorry.... did I not get the memo or something.... I missed the part where it became a good play to call 4XXBB when you are AT BEST a 40% underdog.... and at worst a 20%....along with the parts of it still being acceptable to call when there is still more people to act behind you... AND the fact that you will be out of position on the flop.... am I the only one who likes making money on this site?

[Meatwad 0]

if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair.

I'm sorry.... did I not get the memo or something.... I missed the part where it became a good play to call 4XXBB when you are AT BEST a 40% underdog.... and at worst a 20%....along with the parts of it still being acceptable to call when there is still more people to act behind you... AND the fact that you will be out of position on the flop.... am I the only one who likes making money on this site?

maybe the comma's made it harder to understand. how about:"it wasn't that bad of a play but if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair. "if the other guy was playing unpaired overcards he was 40% which isn't that bad, the fact he had AKs he was still 30-40% which isn't THAT bad preflop. if the flop comes all low then he missed so trying to bust overcards with suited connectors is not a bad play. i'm not saying play it all the time in every position but in this case...it wasn't that bad. if the guy had an been raising $2 whenever he had a pair then i'd call him if i were in this situation.

[JistTheFist 0]

if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair.

I'm sorry.... did I not get the memo or something.... I missed the part where it became a good play to call 4XXBB when you are AT BEST a 40% underdog.... and at worst a 20%....along with the parts of it still being acceptable to call when there is still more people to act behind you... AND the fact that you will be out of position on the flop.... am I the only one who likes making money on this site?

maybe the comma's made it harder to understand. how about:"it wasn't that bad of a play but if he's a by the book player he's probably raising with overcards or a high pair. "if the other guy was playing unpaired overcards he was 40% which isn't that bad, the fact he had AKs he was still 30-40% which isn't THAT bad preflop. if the flop comes all low then he missed so trying to bust overcards with suited connectors is not a bad play. i'm not saying play it all the time in every position but in this case...it wasn't that bad. if the guy had an been raising $2 whenever he had a pair then i'd call him if i were in this situation.

ok... the thing is... if the flop comes all low, but you missed as well... say some thing like 9,4,2.... if you bet... do you think the AK is seriously gonna fold? no. of course not... you would have to make a ridiculous bet at this to get him to put it down... and you know what happens if you make a ridiculous bet at it and he DID have an overpair? you just gave him $20...and in this case it was ESPECIALLY bad... I don't know what you're talking about... he called this raise PREFLOP with MORE PLAYERS TO ACT BEHIND HIM. which means it could get raised more... what do you do then? you call the reraise? what if the original raiser now moves all-in? you cannot play this hand for more than one raise... so with more players to act behind you, you shouldn't waste the original $1 in the first place...and another reason it was ESPECIALLY bad in this case, you're going to be out of position once the flop hits... if the flop hits with ANY face card you're basically going to give this hand away to him... if the flop comes all rags, he most likely will not fold if you bet out... which will set you up to give away more money if a face card comes on the turn.think about it... how often do you FLOP the nuts straight with suited connectors? ok...now how often does a card J,Q,K,or A come on the flop? you're going to be giving away $80 playing this hand over and over and over.... and then when you win, you're gonna win $20.... this is NOT a smart play, out of position.....on the CO, or the button it's a completely different story.

[poker_bull 0]

Heres a good joke though.A bus full of ugly people crashes and burns. and everyone dies. They are all standing at the pearly gates and god says "because you all lived your lives as ugly people, I will grant you 1 wish each"So the first person says "I wish to be beautiful for eternity".the 2nd guy says "I also wish to be beautiful"And the 3rd. and 4th etc... Until they get to the guy at the end who is rolling on the floor laughing.., and so when god asks him what his wish is.. he says "make them all ugly again!"

You gotta love the good jokes. Good stuff.----------------------------------------------------------------3 women are killed in an accident and sent to Heaven. At the Pearly Gates, they meet one that tells them they inherit the Kingdom, but there is one rule: DO NOT STEP ON ANY OF THE DUCKS!As they wandered, many, many ducks crossed their paths. The first lady falls victim and steps on a duck. As punishment, she was chained to a very ugly man for eternity. The second lady goes a little longer before stepping on a duck, and again, a very ugly man was chained up with her for all eternity.The third lady, after seeing all of this, is determined not to fall to the same fate. She goes for a very long time without stepping on a duck before the most handsome man is chained up to her for eternity?“Oh my”, she said, “I am so glad! I wonder if this is my reward after all this time!” “I don’t know about you”, he said, "but all I know is they sent me here for stepping on one of them g*d da%n ducks!!”

[Absolute 0]

dont call preflop without implied odds hereThis doesn't even really make any sense. Implied odds are when you know your opponent is going to bet, right now the OP has position on the original raiser. Unless you have some ability to look into the future and know that the original raiser isn't going to fire out again, your statement makes absolutely no sense.

you are wrong.this is the same argument jfarrell made a couple days ago and tried to convince the whole strategy forum of ithes wrongso are you

[Briguy 0]

Bad call preflop. Nice play after.For future reference, when you post a hand like this, say "I accidentally misclicked and called a preflop raise OOP with low suited connectors. Then look what happened! I misclicks!". It'll keep the more abrasive sorts from calling you names, or from stating the obvious about bad calls preflop.

[BuzzWorthy 0]

Bad call preflop.  Nice play after.For future reference, when you post a hand like this, say "I accidentally misclicked and called a preflop raise OOP with low suited connectors.  Then look what happened!  I    misclicks!".  It'll keep the more abrasive sorts from calling you names, or from stating the obvious about bad calls preflop.

This might be the best advice ever given in this forum...