armen13 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Liveament question.Bellagio 1K from last Friday. This is about 2 hours in. Starting stack is 15k in this and there is quite a bit of play. My table is a mix of some good regs and a few bad players, play is mostly aggressive in either case. There has been some open limping without reraises. Raises have been typicaly getting a few callers. Villain #1 is a strong regular and has done the most raising so far at the table with mixed results. Villain #2 doubled a few hands earlier and has me slightly covered. His play has been more erratic but he has seen a lot of flops. Early on, villain #1 and #2 got all in against each other on an ATX board and both of them had top 2 pair. This was at the 50-100 level when we had 150 bb's average. No live tells on either player.blinds at 100-200I am UTG with 16k, villain #2 has me slightly covered. Other relevant stacks are simmilar (going by memory here). We are 10 handed.I limp with 44MP1 callsVillain #1 raises to 800Villain #2 calls on buttonBB calls I callflop 48Q rainbowCheck, check, Vill#1 bets 2000, Vill#2 calls, BB folds, I raise to 6400, mp1 folds, vill #1 clearly frustrated folds. Villain #2 shoves.Hero?I have about 9k left. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I don't know how to fold a set on a dry board like this. I'd call. You said his play has been erratic, he might be overplaying AQ here? Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Liveament question.Bellagio 1K from last Friday. This is about 2 hours in. Starting stack is 15k in this and there is quite a bit of play. My table is a mix of some good regs and a few bad players, play is mostly aggressive in either case. There has been some open limping without reraises. Raises have been typicaly getting a few callers. Villain #1 is a strong regular and has done the most raising so far at the table with mixed results. Villain #2 doubled a few hands earlier and has me slightly covered. His play has been more erratic but he has seen a lot of flops. Early on, villain #1 and #2 got all in against each other on an ATX board and both of them had top 2 pair. This was at the 50-100 level when we had 150 bb's average. No live tells on either player.blinds at 100-200I am UTG with 16k, villain #2 has me slightly covered. Other relevant stacks are simmilar (going by memory here). We are 10 handed.I limp with 44MP1 callsVillain #1 raises to 800Villain #2 calls on buttonBB calls I callflop 48Q rainbowCheck, check, Vill#1 bets 2000, Vill#2 calls, BB folds, I raise to 6400, mp1 folds, vill #1 clearly frustrated folds. Villain #2 shoves.Hero?I have about 9k left.If I'm c/ring here into two players, it's not to fold to a shove. You still have a 90bb stack if you fold, though. Villains hand is basically face up as 88 or AQ... flip a coin to make your decision?poker strat at 5:45am is not a good idea btw. Unless I'm right. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 wowoww super sick spot.true ace, typically on dry boards like this.... facing alot of action with bottom set means we are seeing a bigger set more of the time. For example, if it was Q 8 4 cc, we will see JTcc more often.Beaver, blinds are 100/200 so we would be left with 45 bb's if we fold.Armen, you said villains got it in on the flop with AT each... this kinda leads me to think that villain has a set more often with the smooth call. 2 pair seems very unlikely and like I said I feel like he raises Q8 on the flop. So, his range seems to be narrowed to 88 and AQ/KQ... but seeing as how he is somewhat competent... you might need to make the sickest fold of your life in this spot... So hard to advise folding a set <100 bb's deep but ugh.I just dont see anyway you're ahead unless he's going apeshit with AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
The Phoenix 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I'm not folding a set to a guy who has been erratic. That doesn't mean he doesn't have 88 or QQ. I can't imagine why anyone would play AQ like that but it doesn't mean I haven't seen it. It could also be a AA or KK that went from trapping to spazzing out, but unlikely. If it was villain #1 I would toss it in the muck but not with your read on villain#2. Did you have any tells after he shoved? Without a strong tell that he is super strong I'm calling but not liking it. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 seeing as how nnb is now trolling the thread...i dont think you can fold here Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 whoa, plz dont fold....88 is the only hand that beats u and there are 3 combos loledit...alright maybe he traps with qq some % of the time, so give him 1 combo of QQ...still not enough to overcome all the random spaz im sure he has in his range Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 seeing as how nnb is now trolling the thread...i dont think you can fold here whoa, plz dont fold....88 is the only hand that beats u and there are 3 combos lol Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 seeing as how nnb is now trolling the thread...i dont think you can fold here run better!Yeah I thought blinds were 50/100, but realized that it was the hand previous where the blinds were 50/100.ridiculously sick spot though... I do recall seeing a guy in a WPT event (not saying that this laydown is unheard of, but still sick) where he folded 44 on a 4 8 10 flop, the other guy showed 1010. Pretty sure he FT'd the tourney. rungood.org Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 This was at the FT on the 50k on Stars last night. I know Nuts is a great player, but him and I sat at the same table from 27 down and not once did we have Serega at our table. I have no clue how he makes this call.I think it's spewwy, wondering what everyone else thinks:PokerStars Game #26556676225: Tournament #150908373, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2009/03/30 21:56:17 CT [2009/03/30 22:56:17 ET]Table '150908373 8' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: remcovn (174577 in chips) Seat 3: malicous222 (377806 in chips) Seat 4: xGumbyX (224714 in chips) Seat 5: Pierresibi (192860 in chips) Seat 6: Serega 7 (301433 in chips) Seat 7: NutsErryTime (1081741 in chips) Seat 9: kurvekat (886869 in chips) remcovn: posts the ante 800malicous222: posts the ante 800xGumbyX: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts the ante 800Serega 7: posts the ante 800NutsErryTime: posts the ante 800kurvekat: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts small blind 4000Serega 7: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to xGumbyX [Js 3h]NutsErryTime: raises 11420 to 19420kurvekat: folds remcovn: folds malicous222: folds xGumbyX: folds Pierresibi: folds Serega 7: calls 11420*** FLOP *** [4c Td 6c]Serega 7: bets 24000NutsErryTime: calls 24000*** TURN *** [4c Td 6c] [4h]Serega 7: bets 32000NutsErryTime: raises 46420 to 78420Serega 7: calls 46420*** RIVER *** [4c Td 6c 4h] [5d]Serega 7: bets 178793 and is all-inNutsErryTime: calls 178793*** SHOW DOWN ***Serega 7: shows [Jh Kc] (a pair of Fours)NutsErryTime: shows [Ah 2d] (a pair of Fours - Ace kicker)NutsErryTime collected 610866 from pot Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 whoa, plz dont fold....88 is the only hand that beats u and there are 3 combos loledit...alright maybe he traps with qq some % of the time, so give him 1 combo of QQ...still not enough to overcome all the random spaz im sure he has in his rangeWhat is villain doing with AQ or KQ? I don't see him folding AQ all that much, and KK and AA are def in his range as well. Don't fold if he has that overset it sucks but I still think you beat too many hands to fold here. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 This was at the FT on the 50k on Stars last night. I know Nuts is a great player, but him and I sat at the same table from 27 down and not once did we have Serega at our table. I have no clue how he makes this call.I think it's spewwy, wondering what everyone else thinks:PokerStars Game #26556676225: Tournament #150908373, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2009/03/30 21:56:17 CT [2009/03/30 22:56:17 ET]Table '150908373 8' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: remcovn (174577 in chips) Seat 3: malicous222 (377806 in chips) Seat 4: xGumbyX (224714 in chips) Seat 5: Pierresibi (192860 in chips) Seat 6: Serega 7 (301433 in chips) Seat 7: NutsErryTime (1081741 in chips) Seat 9: kurvekat (886869 in chips) remcovn: posts the ante 800malicous222: posts the ante 800xGumbyX: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts the ante 800Serega 7: posts the ante 800NutsErryTime: posts the ante 800kurvekat: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts small blind 4000Serega 7: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to xGumbyX [Js 3h]NutsErryTime: raises 11420 to 19420kurvekat: folds remcovn: folds malicous222: folds xGumbyX: folds Pierresibi: folds Serega 7: calls 11420*** FLOP *** [4c Td 6c]Serega 7: bets 24000NutsErryTime: calls 24000*** TURN *** [4c Td 6c] [4h]Serega 7: bets 32000NutsErryTime: raises 46420 to 78420Serega 7: calls 46420*** RIVER *** [4c Td 6c 4h] [5d]Serega 7: bets 178793 and is all-inNutsErryTime: calls 178793*** SHOW DOWN ***Serega 7: shows [Jh Kc] (a pair of Fours)NutsErryTime: shows [Ah 2d] (a pair of Fours - Ace kicker)NutsErryTime collected 610866 from potAs I said on the rail, I thought this hand was pretty standard. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 donk leads are the weakest line in poker from awful players... but yeh it takes some balls to go with your read facing the turn bet. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Nuterrytime seemed like a decent laggy player? Am I right What was your read on the other player?That would be the biggest help in defining hand ranges for each street.On the face of it, the hand is completely wtf. However, I can see it making some sense given certain reads. I mean, after his donkbet, Serega has almost never flopped something huge here for a start, also his weak turn lead is kinda bullshit too. So by the turn bet I can still see him being on complete air. After that it gets a little confusing. Personally I think his line is awful and Nuterrytimes line is incredibly strong - and in that regard a very good bluff.Pretty sick river call regardless. Link to post Share on other sites
armen13 0 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Thanks for the feedback guys. I called. He had 88 obv. Villain #1 said he folded AA, actualy he made a big scene about how they dealt not one but two sets against his Aces. Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 This was at the FT on the 50k on Stars last night. I know Nuts is a great player, but him and I sat at the same table from 27 down and not once did we have Serega at our table. I have no clue how he makes this call.I think it's spewwy, wondering what everyone else thinks:PokerStars Game #26556676225: Tournament #150908373, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (4000/8000) - 2009/03/30 21:56:17 CT [2009/03/30 22:56:17 ET]Table '150908373 8' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: remcovn (174577 in chips) Seat 3: malicous222 (377806 in chips) Seat 4: xGumbyX (224714 in chips) Seat 5: Pierresibi (192860 in chips) Seat 6: Serega 7 (301433 in chips) Seat 7: NutsErryTime (1081741 in chips) Seat 9: kurvekat (886869 in chips) remcovn: posts the ante 800malicous222: posts the ante 800xGumbyX: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts the ante 800Serega 7: posts the ante 800NutsErryTime: posts the ante 800kurvekat: posts the ante 800Pierresibi: posts small blind 4000Serega 7: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to xGumbyX [Js 3h]NutsErryTime: raises 11420 to 19420kurvekat: folds remcovn: folds malicous222: folds xGumbyX: folds Pierresibi: folds Serega 7: calls 11420*** FLOP *** [4c Td 6c]Serega 7: bets 24000NutsErryTime: calls 24000*** TURN *** [4c Td 6c] [4h]Serega 7: bets 32000NutsErryTime: raises 46420 to 78420Serega 7: calls 46420*** RIVER *** [4c Td 6c 4h] [5d]Serega 7: bets 178793 and is all-inNutsErryTime: calls 178793*** SHOW DOWN ***Serega 7: shows [Jh Kc] (a pair of Fours)NutsErryTime: shows [Ah 2d] (a pair of Fours - Ace kicker)NutsErryTime collected 610866 from potI think this a spew. He is not good enough of the time here. Unless he has some sick read on Serega that he always does this kind of shit with k and qi I raealy dislike it and altough he looks like superman here in the long run I'm pretty sure given action its lighting money on fire. Link to post Share on other sites
SGFULTON83 0 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 75/150 Blinds 20 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t4255)Button (t2885)SB (t1760)Hero (BB) (t3010)UTG (t4379)UTG+1 (t10625)MP1 (t3830)MP2 (t5445)MP3 (t6645)Hero's M: 7.43Preflop: Hero is BB with A, QUTG bets t750, 7 folds, Hero ????Just moved to the table, pretty sure this is an auto-shipple just want some reassurance. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 75/150 Blinds 20 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t4255)Button (t2885)SB (t1760)Hero (BB) (t3010)UTG (t4379)UTG+1 (t10625)MP1 (t3830)MP2 (t5445)MP3 (t6645)Hero's M: 7.43Preflop: Hero is BB with A, QUTG bets t750, 7 folds, Hero ????Just moved to the table, pretty sure this is an auto-shipple just want some reassurance.yeh ship and lose teh race to Jacks. Link to post Share on other sites
armen13 0 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 This is from the 100 cubed on stars today. Villain is Timex.I have a tight image at the table. Timex got most of his chips vs Ajkhoosier early on with AK vs KK. He had reraised me earlier and I had folded.What do you guys think of this line.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $100+$9 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t12375)BB (t8895)UTG (t8405)UTG+1 (t6864)MP1 (t10075)MP2 (t9585)armen13 (MP3) (t8160)CO (t10336)Button (t8155)armen13's M: 15.54Preflop: armen13 is MP3 with J , J 4 folds, armen13 bets t525, 2 folds, SB raises to t1450, 1 fold, armen13 calls t925Flop: (t3325) 8 , 8 , A (2 players)SB bets t1600, armen13 calls t1600Turn: (t6525) K (2 players)SB checks, armen13 bets t2000, Total pot: t6525 Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 This is from the 100 cubed on stars today. Villain is Timex.I have a tight image at the table. Timex got most of his chips vs Ajkhoosier early on with AK vs KK. He had reraised me earlier and I had folded.What do you guys think of this line.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $100+$9 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t12375)BB (t8895)UTG (t8405)UTG+1 (t6864)MP1 (t10075)MP2 (t9585)armen13 (MP3) (t8160)CO (t10336)Button (t8155)armen13's M: 15.54Preflop: armen13 is MP3 with J , J 4 folds, armen13 bets t525, 2 folds, SB raises to t1450, 1 fold, armen13 calls t925Flop: (t3325) 8 , 8 , A (2 players)SB bets t1600, armen13 calls t1600Turn: (t6525) K (2 players)SB checks, armen13 bets t2000, Total pot: t6525i would go all in pre Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 i would go all in pre Link to post Share on other sites
armen13 0 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 guys we have 33bb's and position after a call, giving us about 2 PSB's. Why can't we call?what about the call on the flop? the bet on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 guys we have 33bb's and position after a call, giving us about 2 PSB's. Why can't we call?what about the call on the flop? the bet on the turn?meh its just tough to play Jacks postflop alot of the time. It loses a ton of value. I like just getting it in.... we also lose value if villain is 3b/calling 6's-Tens Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Lol wrong thread Link to post Share on other sites
silkyjonson 1 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 meh its just tough to play Jacks postflop alot of the time. It loses a ton of value. I like just getting it in.... we also lose value if villain is 3b/calling 6's-TensI was gonna post exactly this, there are going to be a lot of flops that are difficult for us to play as well the hands we are beating are going to have even more flops that will have us lose action. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now