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effective stack is only 37bbs pre. I think shove is probably best here.
can someone explain what effective stack is? I know my m is around 24 and i have ~60 bb before anything happens this hand...does it have to do with the size of my stack based on his reraise? I couldn't backtrack from the 37 bb effective stack # and figure out what it means
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can someone explain what effective stack is? I know my m is around 24 and i have ~60 bb before anything happens this hand...does it have to do with the size of my stack based on his reraise? I couldn't backtrack from the 37 bb effective stack # and figure out what it means
effective stack is the max you're going to be playing for, his stack is about 46k so once the pot gets heads up that's what you're playing for, which is the 37 bbs, it doesn't matter if you have 60 bb or 600 bbs since he has less.
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Full Tilt Poker Game #17428188121: The Ferguson (129274862), Table 111 - 600/1200 Ante 150 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:33:23 ET - 2010/01/08Seat 1: DeltaKing54 (71,926)Seat 2: dgxsh (18,266)Seat 3: Chrome On Rust (45,791)Seat 5: xKoJack11 (14,268)Seat 6: tm_pm (48,034)Seat 7: TCJ-NCTMB (16,055)Seat 8: timboslice13 (27,372)Seat 9: rtravous69 (68,229)DeltaKing54 antes 150dgxsh antes 150Chrome On Rust antes 150xKoJack11 antes 150tm_pm antes 150TCJ-NCTMB antes 150timboslice13 antes 150rtravous69 antes 150timboslice13 posts the small blind of 600rtravous69 posts the big blind of 1,200The button is in seat #7*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to DeltaKing54 [Ah As]DeltaKing54 raises to 3,400dgxsh foldsTCJ-NCTMB: card deadChrome On Rust has 15 seconds left to actChrome On Rust raises to 5,600DeltaKing54? Should I 4-bet here or call and then decide on flop whether to lead or check....My problem with 4-betting is that it essentially turns my hand face up. But if we decide to 4-bet, what amount should we make it? I had an argument with my brother about 4 bet sizing and was wondering what amount is best considering his stack size...
effective stack is only 37bbs pre. I think shove is probably best here.
jam or call, 4b sucks imo
super disagree with armen and NNB here. 4betting to 13.6ish is definitely better than jamming and infinitely better than calling. People are not gonna fold to 4b's in a 1$ tournament and will jam super wide too obviously. People are gonna fold ATo to a jam but definitely will flat a 4b here.
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Naslund44

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super disagree with armen and NNB here. 4betting to 13.6ish is definitely better than jamming and infinitely better than calling. People are not gonna fold to 4b's in a 1$ tournament and will jam super wide too obviously. People are gonna fold ATo to a jam but definitely will flat a 4b here.
:club: try and post some hands VT, NNB, ANYONEEE (anything, even if its just standard stuffi found out today its kinda hard to 12 table and remember hands im supposed to post in this thread.also ive found it hard to post hands that i think i played poorly...self conscious? yeah. wondering if any of the Pros wants to post hands they know they'll get flamed for, but as a way to learn from it. i need to learn to do this haha.
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I_fold08

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from the 3r. it's utg's first hand at the table, and the flatter is very loose passive. I hate the flop but just dont know what to do. possible to check fold or fold once the raise gets put in on the flop? PokerStars Game #37983150933: Tournament #252010927, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (4000/8000) - 2010/01/11 1:28:47 ETTable '252010927 217' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: chingyan (69647 in chips) Seat 2: se7enth_bok (347167 in chips) Seat 3: big slick210 (487352 in chips) Seat 4: WCT17 (249266 in chips) Seat 5: KingsOver77 (59871 in chips) Seat 6: balken72 (401717 in chips) Seat 7: wagnes (343641 in chips) Seat 8: richmac44 (1198614 in chips) Seat 9: CUgold61 (167077 in chips) chingyan: posts the ante 1250se7enth_bok: posts the ante 1250big slick210: posts the ante 1250WCT17: posts the ante 1250KingsOver77: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts the ante 1250wagnes: posts the ante 1250richmac44: posts the ante 1250CUgold61: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts small blind 4000wagnes: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to se7enth_bok [Qc Qh]richmac44: raises 16000 to 24000CUgold61: folds chingyan: folds se7enth_bok: raises 32000 to 56000big slick210: calls 56000WCT17: folds KingsOver77: folds balken72: folds wagnes: folds richmac44: calls 32000*** FLOP *** [Js Jc 5h]richmac44: checks se7enth_bok: bets 100000big slick210: raises 330102 to 430102 and is all-inrichmac44: folds se7enth_bok: ????

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from the 3r. it's utg's first hand at the table, and the flatter is very loose passive. I hate the flop but just dont know what to do. possible to check fold or fold once the raise gets put in on the flop? PokerStars Game #37983150933: Tournament #252010927, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (4000/8000) - 2010/01/11 1:28:47 ETTable '252010927 217' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: chingyan (69647 in chips) Seat 2: se7enth_bok (347167 in chips) Seat 3: big slick210 (487352 in chips) Seat 4: WCT17 (249266 in chips) Seat 5: KingsOver77 (59871 in chips) Seat 6: balken72 (401717 in chips) Seat 7: wagnes (343641 in chips) Seat 8: richmac44 (1198614 in chips) Seat 9: CUgold61 (167077 in chips) chingyan: posts the ante 1250se7enth_bok: posts the ante 1250big slick210: posts the ante 1250WCT17: posts the ante 1250KingsOver77: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts the ante 1250wagnes: posts the ante 1250richmac44: posts the ante 1250CUgold61: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts small blind 4000wagnes: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to se7enth_bok [Qc Qh]richmac44: raises 16000 to 24000CUgold61: folds chingyan: folds se7enth_bok: raises 32000 to 56000big slick210: calls 56000WCT17: folds KingsOver77: folds balken72: folds wagnes: folds richmac44: calls 32000*** FLOP *** [Js Jc 5h]richmac44: checks se7enth_bok: bets 100000big slick210: raises 330102 to 430102 and is all-inrichmac44: folds se7enth_bok: ????
i probly 3bet a little more preflop. like 65,750dont see how we can fold after putting in 156,000.
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from the 3r. it's utg's first hand at the table, and the flatter is very loose passive. I hate the flop but just dont know what to do. possible to check fold or fold once the raise gets put in on the flop? PokerStars Game #37983150933: Tournament #252010927, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (4000/8000) - 2010/01/11 1:28:47 ETTable '252010927 217' 9-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: chingyan (69647 in chips) Seat 2: se7enth_bok (347167 in chips) Seat 3: big slick210 (487352 in chips) Seat 4: WCT17 (249266 in chips) Seat 5: KingsOver77 (59871 in chips) Seat 6: balken72 (401717 in chips) Seat 7: wagnes (343641 in chips) Seat 8: richmac44 (1198614 in chips) Seat 9: CUgold61 (167077 in chips) chingyan: posts the ante 1250se7enth_bok: posts the ante 1250big slick210: posts the ante 1250WCT17: posts the ante 1250KingsOver77: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts the ante 1250wagnes: posts the ante 1250richmac44: posts the ante 1250CUgold61: posts the ante 1250balken72: posts small blind 4000wagnes: posts big blind 8000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to se7enth_bok [Qc Qh]richmac44: raises 16000 to 24000CUgold61: folds chingyan: folds se7enth_bok: raises 32000 to 56000big slick210: calls 56000WCT17: folds KingsOver77: folds balken72: folds wagnes: folds richmac44: calls 32000*** FLOP *** [Js Jc 5h]richmac44: checks se7enth_bok: bets 100000big slick210: raises 330102 to 430102 and is all-inrichmac44: folds se7enth_bok: ????
The way you played it, I think you have to call and hope he turns up with 66-1010. I would raise more preflop, so that AJ type hands hit the muck.
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I_fold08

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i probly 3bet a little more preflop. like 65,750dont see how we can fold after putting in 156,000.
yea, I am just so positive that I'm ahead of almost nothing that it just makes me puke
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yea, I am just so positive that I'm ahead of almost nothing that it just makes me puke
Stop being so ****ing results oriented...like seriously?! Someone said that he was a complete donk in the sunday thread or something to that nature...his range is soooo wide to like, a ton of PP, and even overs if he is that stupid. Stop saying his range is to just a JLike...if he has AA KK, you guys are getting it in PF...and prolly AK...but like, a J is soooo little in his range that we can NEVER fold here, like...everThis hand is 10000000% standard...sorry he made a horrible play agaisnt youYeah, 3bet a little bigger, but after that, the hand played itself
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Stop being so ****ing results oriented...like seriously?! Someone said that he was a complete donk in the sunday thread or something to that nature...his range is soooo wide to like, a ton of PP, and even overs if he is that stupid. Stop saying his range is to just a JLike...if he has AA KK, you guys are getting it in PF...and prolly AK...but like, a J is soooo little in his range that we can NEVER fold here, like...everThis hand is 10000000% standard...sorry he made a horrible play agaisnt youYeah, 3bet a little bigger, but after that, the hand played itself
I maybe would've said it a little nicer than Ryan but I think he has a point.Here's what I think is quite a pessimistic range:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt  74,250  games	 0.005 secs	14,850,000  games/secBoard: Js Jc 5hDead:  	equity 	win 	tie 		  pots won 	pots tied	Hand 0: 	57.533%	  56.87% 	00.67% 			 42223 		  495.00   { 55+, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo }Hand 1: 	42.467%	  41.80% 	00.67% 			 31037 		  495.00   { QcQd }

Once you bet 100k and he ships you need 39.6% equity to call vs this range. I don't think as many Jx combos are in his range as I've put and I think we can discount QQ+ too, so it is hugely +EV to bet/call this flop.I don't see checking as that feasible of an option simply because we're going to be missing so much value by checking, there's like no jacks in the UTG raisers range, there's very few in the stations range and he can 100% shove with worse.

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Stop being so ****ing results oriented...like seriously?! Someone said that he was a complete donk in the sunday thread or something to that nature...his range is soooo wide to like, a ton of PP, and even overs if he is that stupid. Stop saying his range is to just a JLike...if he has AA KK, you guys are getting it in PF...and prolly AK...but like, a J is soooo little in his range that we can NEVER fold here, like...everThis hand is 10000000% standard...sorry he made a horrible play agaisnt youYeah, 3bet a little bigger, but after that, the hand played itself
the fact that he was loose passive doesn't mean anything? if not then fine
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Stop being so ****ing results oriented...like seriously?! Someone said that he was a complete donk in the sunday thread or something to that nature...his range is soooo wide to like, a ton of PP, and even overs if he is that stupid. Stop saying his range is to just a JLike...if he has AA KK, you guys are getting it in PF...and prolly AK...but like, a J is soooo little in his range that we can NEVER fold here, like...everThis hand is 10000000% standard...sorry he made a horrible play agaisnt youYeah, 3bet a little bigger, but after that, the hand played itself
in a couple of your replies you kind of make people feel like they shouldnt even be thinking about the hand at all and just getting it in. i agree its pretty standard but if you keep treating people so condescendingly they wont want to keep posting hands in here.should i check the river here?PokerStars Game #38026388899: Tournament #262010921, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/01/11 18:06:23 PT [2010/01/11 21:06:23 ET]Table '262010921 303' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Naslund44 (6005 in chips) Seat 2: corli6666 (1500 in chips) Seat 3: Bosna6666 (7750 in chips) Seat 4: schIizzer (3725 in chips) Seat 5: wil1949 (3050 in chips) Seat 6: London613 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: camstick2001 (2710 in chips) Seat 8: enatetingab (4135 in chips) Seat 9: subdylzep (9910 in chips) Bosna6666: posts small blind 50schIizzer: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Naslund44 [Kc Kh]wil1949: calls 100London613: folds camstick2001: folds enatetingab: folds subdylzep: folds Naslund44: raises 300 to 400corli6666: folds Bosna6666: folds schIizzer: folds wil1949: calls 300*** FLOP *** [Qs 9s 5h]wil1949: checks Naslund44: bets 600wil1949: calls 600*** TURN *** [Qs 9s 5h] [7d]wil1949: checks Naslund44: bets 1000wil1949: calls 1000*** RIVER *** [Qs 9s 5h 7d] [Ts]wil1949: checks Naslund44:
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Maybe then it will take away from people posting fairly standard hands and acting like there is a ton of strategy about ranges and what to do when really the answer is clear. I looked back at the other posts I have made in this thread and it was b/c I told you that you were being results oriented...like just because he had it means you should have folded, where in reality, you should be making these calls b/c in the long run they will be +EVStop worrying sooo much about the results of hands and ask things like, "I have queens, can I fold", when everyone knows the right answer is noAnd in regards to your hand, I usually just jam any pair and AT+, and KJs+ during the rebuy period...as played...I have no real clue, prolly vbet and call any shove...I just don't think anyone in the 3r is smart enough to check the flush here

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in a couple of your replies you kind of make people feel like they shouldnt even be thinking about the hand at all and just getting it in. i agree its pretty standard but if you keep treating people so condescendingly they wont want to keep posting hands in here.should i check the river here?PokerStars Game #38026388899: Tournament #262010921, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/01/11 18:06:23 PT [2010/01/11 21:06:23 ET]Table '262010921 303' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Naslund44 (6005 in chips) Seat 2: corli6666 (1500 in chips) Seat 3: Bosna6666 (7750 in chips) Seat 4: schIizzer (3725 in chips) Seat 5: wil1949 (3050 in chips) Seat 6: London613 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: camstick2001 (2710 in chips) Seat 8: enatetingab (4135 in chips) Seat 9: subdylzep (9910 in chips) Bosna6666: posts small blind 50schIizzer: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Naslund44 [Kc Kh]wil1949: calls 100London613: folds camstick2001: folds enatetingab: folds subdylzep: folds Naslund44: raises 300 to 400corli6666: folds Bosna6666: folds schIizzer: folds wil1949: calls 300*** FLOP *** [Qs 9s 5h]wil1949: checks Naslund44: bets 600wil1949: calls 600*** TURN *** [Qs 9s 5h] [7d]wil1949: checks Naslund44: bets 1000wil1949: calls 1000*** RIVER *** [Qs 9s 5h 7d] [Ts]wil1949: checks Naslund44:
don't think he cares. Probably dont check here in the 3 rebuy tho. Gonna get paid by qx a lot
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Maybe then it will take away from people posting fairly standard hands and acting like there is a ton of strategy about ranges and what to do when really the answer is clear. I looked back at the other posts I have made in this thread and it was b/c I told you that you were being results oriented...like just because he had it means you should have folded, where in reality, you should be making these calls b/c in the long run they will be +EVStop worrying sooo much about the results of hands and ask things like, "I have queens, can I fold", when everyone knows the right answer is noAnd in regards to your hand, I usually just jam any pair and AT+, and KJs+ during the rebuy period...as played...I have no real clue, prolly vbet and call any shove...I just don't think anyone in the 3r is smart enough to check the flush here
i want people to post standard stuff. i think theres tons of strategy to be talked about in 'standard' hands. stop being a douche and just post your input on the hand.
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i want people to post standard stuff. i think theres tons of strategy to be talked about in 'standard' hands. stop being a douche and just post your input on the hand.
lol sick strat
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