jburn812 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 NNB do you call turn here. As 99 TT AA KK are all beating us so were going ahead of JJ here and some random spastic AK? Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 idk, i dunno wat his range really is cuz i dont get there this way very often. but i would think ur range has got to be off a lil. and i prob fold Link to post Share on other sites
aussiedonk 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 against an unknown in a $50 tournament I fistpump call this. If he had of shoved flop I would consider folding, as in my experience donktastic tourney players like to either "slowplay" all streets or just shove it in when they think they have the best hand. If he has AA/KK or a set here then he has taken the former approach on the flop and the latter on the turn (unless he has 77). IMO donks are generally consistent in the approach they take (in that they will either "slowplay" by flopping a set , checking flop and turn and making some gay small bet on river, or fastplay by overshoving flop with a set). That is a bit garbled but basically I would call because I don't think he has played the hand in a way that a donk plays a big hand. He has played it like a donk who is thinking pre ZOMG I has AK I will min 5-bet this sucker, o noes I missed the flop, oh sweet villian checked behind I can steal it on the turn with a quick overshove. TBH I think you are good >50% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 against an unknown in a $50 tournament I fistpump call this. If he had of shoved flop I would consider folding, as in my experience donktastic tourney players like to either "slowplay" all streets or just shove it in when they think they have the best hand. If he has AA/KK or a set here then he has taken the former approach on the flop and the latter on the turn (unless he has 77). IMO donks are generally consistent in the approach they take (in that they will either "slowplay" by flopping a set , checking flop and turn and making some gay small bet on river, or fastplay by overshoving flop with a set). That is a bit garbled but basically I would call because I don't think he has played the hand in a way that a donk plays a big hand. He has played it like a donk who is thinking pre ZOMG I has AK I will min 5-bet this sucker, o noes I missed the flop, oh sweet villian checked behind I can steal it on the turn with a quick overshove. TBH I think you are good >50% of the time.i agree w/ all this.AK/JJ/KK/TT i think he has. Weighted towards JJ. Link to post Share on other sites
aussiedonk 0 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 i agree w/ all this.AK/JJ/KK/TT i think he has. Weighted towards JJ.FWIW if you agree with me then his range has to be weighted towards AK. I am weighting against JJ/KK/TT based on the reasoning I posted above Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I fold.. but im probably just calling his 3 bet pre. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 PokerStars Game #23547665201: Tournament #129737079, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:45:59 ETTable '129737079 147' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: (17647 in chips) Seat 2: (8800 in chips) Seat 3: (3815 in chips) Seat 4: hero (5010 in chips) Seat 5: (18538 in chips) Seat 6: (6139 in chips) Seat 7: (8030 in chips) Seat 8: (3270 in chips) Seat 9: (10726 in chips) : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25 : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts small blind 125: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***UTG1: folds hero: 9d10dpls post what you do here having a disagreement sorry for HH lil sloppy but i got a movie to catch in 20 min fold limp raise or all in shld i post what hero did and just ask weather or not its stndrd or not ? Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I fold.. but im probably just calling his 3 bet pre.Same. Also, he's much more likely to 5 bet bigger/shove pre with AK as well as shove or bet/commit the flop with AK. The min 5 bet pre/flop check means you're never good enough of the time to call 2000 to win 3100ish imo.He saw a safe flop and went for a C/R with AA, maybe KK, whiffed and decided to shove turn instead of betting like 800, getting called, and seeing a gross river like an 8 or J. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 PokerStars Game #23547665201: Tournament #129737079, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:45:59 ETTable '129737079 147' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: (17647 in chips) Seat 2: (8800 in chips) Seat 3: (3815 in chips) Seat 4: hero (5010 in chips) Seat 5: (18538 in chips) Seat 6: (6139 in chips) Seat 7: (8030 in chips) Seat 8: (3270 in chips) Seat 9: (10726 in chips) : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25 : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts small blind 125: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***UTG1: folds hero: 9d10dpls post what you do here having a disagreement sorry for HH lil sloppy but i got a movie to catch in 20 min fold limp raise or all in shld i post what hero did and just ask weather or not its stndrd or not ?Anything but folding here is prob bad. Shoving's terrible. Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'm starting to realize how bad I've gotten at NLHE, so I might start posting some hands. I never know what to do in spots like this..PokerStars Game #23549426865: Tournament #129730967, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 22:51:47 ETTable '129730967 11' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: troyomac (8130 in chips) Seat 2: rupskc1 (14412 in chips) Seat 3: JacksKing (7200 in chips) Seat 4: Nunavut Nerd (3999 in chips) Seat 5: archwatcher (8195 in chips) Seat 6: sam123277 (2140 in chips) Seat 7: lll47 (6200 in chips) Seat 8: Popeye ACEs (2868 in chips) Seat 9: JLKCOLT (12735 in chips) troyomac: posts the ante 25rupskc1: posts the ante 25JacksKing: posts the ante 25Nunavut Nerd: posts the ante 25archwatcher: posts the ante 25sam123277: posts the ante 25lll47: posts the ante 25Popeye ACEs: posts the ante 25JLKCOLT: posts the ante 25JLKCOLT: posts small blind 125troyomac: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to troyomac [Ks Th]rupskc1: folds JacksKing: folds Nunavut Nerd: folds archwatcher: calls 250sam123277: folds lll47: calls 250Popeye ACEs: folds JLKCOLT: calls 125troyomac: checks *** FLOP *** [Kd 3c Qd]JLKCOLT: checks troyomac: bets 750archwatcher: calls 750lll47: calls 750JLKCOLT: folds *** TURN *** [Kd 3c Qd] [4s]troyomac: Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Anything but folding here is prob bad. Shoving's terrible.actually shoving is pretty decent here imo and I probably like it better than raise/folding.fold>shove>2.5x Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'm starting to realize how bad I've gotten at NLHE, so I might start posting some hands. I never know what to do in spots like this..PokerStars Game #23549426865: Tournament #129730967, $150+$12 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 22:51:47 ETTable '129730967 11' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: troyomac (8130 in chips) Seat 2: rupskc1 (14412 in chips) Seat 3: JacksKing (7200 in chips) Seat 4: Nunavut Nerd (3999 in chips) Seat 5: archwatcher (8195 in chips) Seat 6: sam123277 (2140 in chips) Seat 7: lll47 (6200 in chips) Seat 8: Popeye ACEs (2868 in chips) Seat 9: JLKCOLT (12735 in chips) troyomac: posts the ante 25rupskc1: posts the ante 25JacksKing: posts the ante 25Nunavut Nerd: posts the ante 25archwatcher: posts the ante 25sam123277: posts the ante 25lll47: posts the ante 25Popeye ACEs: posts the ante 25JLKCOLT: posts the ante 25JLKCOLT: posts small blind 125troyomac: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to troyomac [Ks Th]rupskc1: folds JacksKing: folds Nunavut Nerd: folds archwatcher: calls 250sam123277: folds lll47: calls 250Popeye ACEs: folds JLKCOLT: calls 125troyomac: checks *** FLOP *** [Kd 3c Qd]JLKCOLT: checks troyomac: bets 750archwatcher: calls 750lll47: calls 750JLKCOLT: folds *** TURN *** [Kd 3c Qd] [4s]troyomac:I check/call flop alot in these situations cuz it gets really tricky to play when we get called on the flop. I think as played you can either check and most likely give up on the hand if there's action behind or bet/fold like 1450. Really just read based after we get called by 2 opponents. Anything on villains would help with turn decision. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Anything but folding here is prob bad. Shoving's terrible.pretty much my thoughts he argues his m was 5 ish so its "clearly" a shove but with blinds passing in a cpl hands he still has plenty to open shove with i said he blew up got impatient . would of liked a few more responses but meh 2 good ones i guessactually shoving is pretty decent here imo and I probably like it better than raise/folding.fold>shove>2.5xso fold is obv better than open shoving ? Link to post Share on other sites
armen13 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 he argues his m was 5 ishConfused. How is his M 5 ish here? aren't blinds at 250? He still has reraise fold equity if so... Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I check/call flop alot in these situations cuz it gets really tricky to play when we get called on the flop. I think as played you can either check and most likely give up on the hand if there's action behind or bet/fold like 1450. Really just read based after we get called by 2 opponents. Anything on villains would help with turn decision.Yeah, everyone I've asked so far likes c/c flop, but then how do we play the turn? C/f, c/c again.. I just hate that I'll never know where I'm at in the hand, which is kind of why I led out flop. But these situations come up all the time and I never know what to do. I feel so lost these days. Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Confused. How is his M 5 ish here? aren't blinds at 250? He still has reraise fold equity if so... LOL i didnt even look at it maybe he was mistaken and thought he only had 10 bb ?? i dont think hes that slow "no offense when u read this but ya ur a lil slow" ... still friends ?? lol Link to post Share on other sites
mase_gotsem 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Yeah, everyone I've asked so far likes c/c flop, but then how do we play the turn? C/f, c/c again.. I just hate that I'll never know where I'm at in the hand, which is kind of why I led out flop. But these situations come up all the time and I never know what to do. I feel so lost these days.i usually jus c/c down those hoping hes vb second pair or Kx wrks 50/50 Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 This was with like 50 people left, 180 paid, I was around avg maybe slightly below..Full Tilt Poker Game #9846484537: The Fifty-Fifty (73621528), Table 63 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:04:26 ET - 2009/01/04Seat 1: KSLawyer (74,386)Seat 2: Ch3ckR4ze (91,304)Seat 3: troyomac (58,000)Seat 4: TheCrazyCanuck (24,965)Seat 6: cardwellm (31,560)Seat 7: Ice Man 1946 (85,633)Seat 8: RAZEit (105,707)Seat 9: leoky (86,221)KSLawyer antes 300Ch3ckR4ze antes 300troyomac antes 300TheCrazyCanuck antes 300cardwellm antes 300Ice Man 1946 antes 300RAZEit antes 300leoky antes 300KSLawyer posts the small blind of 1,200Ch3ckR4ze posts the big blind of 2,400The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to troyomac [Ac Ks]troyomac raises to 6,500TheCrazyCanuck raises to 24,665, and is all incardwellm foldsIce Man 1946 foldsRAZEit foldsleoky foldsKSLawyer foldsCh3ckR4ze has 15 seconds left to actCh3ckR4ze raises to 91,004, and is all introyomac Link to post Share on other sites
armen13 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 This was with like 50 people left, 180 paid, I was around avg maybe slightly below..Full Tilt Poker Game #9846484537: The Fifty-Fifty (73621528), Table 63 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:04:26 ET - 2009/01/04Seat 1: KSLawyer (74,386)Seat 2: Ch3ckR4ze (91,304)Seat 3: troyomac (58,000)Seat 4: TheCrazyCanuck (24,965)Seat 6: cardwellm (31,560)Seat 7: Ice Man 1946 (85,633)Seat 8: RAZEit (105,707)Seat 9: leoky (86,221)KSLawyer antes 300Ch3ckR4ze antes 300troyomac antes 300TheCrazyCanuck antes 300cardwellm antes 300Ice Man 1946 antes 300RAZEit antes 300leoky antes 300KSLawyer posts the small blind of 1,200Ch3ckR4ze posts the big blind of 2,400The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to troyomac [Ac Ks]troyomac raises to 6,500TheCrazyCanuck raises to 24,665, and is all incardwellm foldsIce Man 1946 foldsRAZEit foldsleoky foldsKSLawyer foldsCh3ckR4ze has 15 seconds left to actCh3ckR4ze raises to 91,004, and is all introyomaccall. If you were deeper say above 32 bb's I might talk myself out if it if I wasn't tilting... Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 PokerStars Game #23547665201: Tournament #129737079, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/01/03 21:45:59 ETTable '129737079 147' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: (17647 in chips) Seat 2: (8800 in chips) Seat 3: (3815 in chips) Seat 4: hero (5010 in chips) Seat 5: (18538 in chips) Seat 6: (6139 in chips) Seat 7: (8030 in chips) Seat 8: (3270 in chips) Seat 9: (10726 in chips) : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25 : posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts the ante 25: posts small blind 125: posts big blind 250*** HOLE CARDS ***UTG1: folds hero: 9d10dpls post what you do here having a disagreement sorry for HH lil sloppy but i got a movie to catch in 20 min fold limp raise or all in shld i post what hero did and just ask weather or not its stndrd or not ?shoving is fine, i def dont mind it...raise/fold is bad, and folding is fineThis was with like 50 people left, 180 paid, I was around avg maybe slightly below..Full Tilt Poker Game #9846484537: The Fifty-Fifty (73621528), Table 63 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:04:26 ET - 2009/01/04Seat 1: KSLawyer (74,386)Seat 2: Ch3ckR4ze (91,304)Seat 3: troyomac (58,000)Seat 4: TheCrazyCanuck (24,965)Seat 6: cardwellm (31,560)Seat 7: Ice Man 1946 (85,633)Seat 8: RAZEit (105,707)Seat 9: leoky (86,221)KSLawyer antes 300Ch3ckR4ze antes 300troyomac antes 300TheCrazyCanuck antes 300cardwellm antes 300Ice Man 1946 antes 300RAZEit antes 300leoky antes 300KSLawyer posts the small blind of 1,200Ch3ckR4ze posts the big blind of 2,400The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to troyomac [Ac Ks]troyomac raises to 6,500TheCrazyCanuck raises to 24,665, and is all incardwellm foldsIce Man 1946 foldsRAZEit foldsleoky foldsKSLawyer foldsCh3ckR4ze has 15 seconds left to actCh3ckR4ze raises to 91,004, and is all introyomaccall u have the ace and the king Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Open shoving T9s with an M of 8.3 from the 2 hole is pretty bad imo. Link to post Share on other sites
no not baxter 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 Open shoving T9s with an M of 8.3 from the 2 hole is pretty bad imo.do the math, its +cEV! Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 do the math, its +cEV!I'm wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
aussiedonk 0 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I'm wrong.really fck I need to brush up on shoving ranges I would have thought that was terribad Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 yeh all the cool kids shove 20 bb's now. Link to post Share on other sites
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