digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 The Canadian Press2/18/2008 6:09:03 PMNAPLES, Fla. - One-minute penalties for overtime during the regular season? That was one of the many issues discussed Monday as the NHL's 30 GMs broke out into four different groups to tackle a number of subjects. Anaheim Ducks GM Brian Burke is keen on the idea of one-minute penalties in overtime instead of two. The thinking is that 4-on-3 power plays in overtime take up 40 per cent of the entire five-minute period and more than often end the game. "One-minute penalties in overtime just makes so much sense," Burke said Monday after the first day of meetings. Any idea that has enough support from the GMs at the conclusion of the meetings Wednesday must then be approved by the board of governors. Burke's group Monday also included Jay Feaster of the Tampa Bay Lightning, David Poile of the Nashville Predators, Larry Pleau of the St. Louis Blues, Jim Rutherford of the Carolina Hurricanes, Glen Sather of the New York Rangers, Garth Snow of the New York Islanders and Don Waddell of the Atlanta Thrashers. That group also tackled, among other things: carry-over suspensions from prior seasons; high-sticking penalties and whether it should remain an automatic four-minute penalty for drawing blood; and the instigator rule. Burke was not in the GM group that tackled another issue he tabled: retaining salary in trades. He has been pushing this idea for two years and has support from many of his peers but the league sees it as a loosening of the salary cap. The idea is to allow teams to pay part of a player's salary in trades, which would likely facilitate deals, especially earlier in the season. The group discussing it Monday was Peter Chiarelli of the Boston Bruins, Paul Holmgren of the Philadelphia Flyers, Scott Howson of the Columbus Blue Jackets, Lou Lamoriello of the New Jersey Devils, Dean Lombardi of the Los Angeles Kings, George McPhee of the Washington Capitals and Ray Shero of the Pittsburgh Penguins. That group, which also had the presence of NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, also discussed: The growing trend of NCAA players leaving school early to sign with NHL teams; the status of the IIHF-NHL player transfer agreement; examining the NHL Players' Association's idea of an 84-game schedule; moving the start of free agency to July 6 or July 7 instead of July 1 when it's a national holiday in Canada; and the idea that players who are traded near the trade deadline cannot re-join his old team for a minimum of one year. The Buffalo Sabres last November at the board of governors meeting proposed that the NHL establish a research and development arm and that was on the agenda for another GMs group Monday. Sabres GM Darcy Regier was of course in the group, as was Cliff Fletcher of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Kevin Lowe of the Edmonton Oilers, Don Maloney of the Phoenix Coyotes, Jacques Martin of the Florida Panthers, Dave Nonis of the Vancouver Canucks, Darryl Sutter of the Calgary Flames and Doug Wilson of the San Jose Sharks. That group also discussed: whether hand passes should be disallowed in the defensive zone; whether breaking a stick on a player should be an automatic slashing penalty; and ice conditions around the league. The size of goalie equipment and bigger nets - two issues that have gone hand in hand in recent years - were the headliners in the final group which consisted of Bob Gainey of the Montreal Canadiens, Francois Giguere of the Colorado Avalanche, Ken Holland of the Detroit Red Wings, Brett Hull of the Dallas Stars, Bryan Murray of the Ottawa Senators, Doug Risebrough of the Minnesota Wild and Dale Tallon of the Chicago Blackhawks. That group also re-examined the shootout and pondered whether to go to a five shooters instead of three and whether a player that was still in the penalty box at the end of overtime should be ineligible for the shootout. The four GM groups were to bring their ideas and recommendations to the full group Tuesday for further debate. What wasn't on discussed whatsoever Monday was the front-page story in Sunday's Toronto Star that suggested NHL players put advertising on their uniforms. "It's not something that I've ever had any reason to believe that the Players' Association or the players would ever agree to," NHL commissioner Gary Bettman told The Canadian Press on Monday. "So it's not something that we've given any thought to."sourceSome interesting topics being discussed. Link to post Share on other sites
MrJohn 0 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The idea of a one-minute penalty in OT is a good one. Makes sense because the period IS very short already and taking a penalty becomes extremely costly.I do not like the idea of 5 shooters though. At first I thought 3 was too little but now I think 5 is enough. From time to time we see really long 10-20 player shoot outs. The idea that players still serving a penalty not able to shoot in the shoot out is a fantastic idea as well - of course unless all shooters on the team have already shot then they should be able to.I dont like the advertising on jersey's at all. The players in Europe look ridiculous with all their advertising. Especially with that huge green sticker on their foreheads of the helmets. I hope the NHL doesnt whore out their merchandise. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I dont like the advertising on jersey's at all. The players in Europe look ridiculous with all their advertising. Especially with that huge green sticker on their foreheads of the helmets. I hope the NHL doesnt whore out their merchandise.It's not so bad for EPL (English Soccer) where it's just one logo on the chest (ie where the team logo is now) but going for the human nascar look just doesn't work for me. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 It's not so bad for EPL (English Soccer) where it's just one logo on the chest (ie where the team logo is now) but going for the human nascar look just doesn't work for me.You ever seen a French cup match? God awful. The NHL can't go down that route.Some interesting stuff from the meeting though. I like the 1-min OT penalties. Goalie equipment and nets are fine, they should leave that alone. And carry over suspensions is fair enough Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 You ever seen a French cup match? God awful. The NHL can't go down that route.Here's Arsenal and PSG side-by-side, look about the same:http://www.futbolwallpapers.com/images/arsenal_8.jpghttp://www.futbolwallpapers.com/images/paris_2.jpgEpic Fail:http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/News/2007...50-European.jpgThe "Sunny Trading" logo on the ass is a "nice" touch though Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 No to advertisingYes to one min pp in OTYes to no more hand pass in the defensive zone reason being these refs are not calling the closing of the hand anymore, Iam seeing it so much more yet no penalties.3 in the shootout is enough most are going 5 or more anyways. Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 how about GMs just be smarter and give up less for known rental players? it's not like the blues held a gun to anybody's head when they raped carolina, SJ, and atlanta on their rentals. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 how about GMs just be smarter and give up less for known rental players? it's not like the blues held a gun to anybody's head when they raped carolina, SJ, and atlanta on their rentals.Exactly; in a cap world cap space is an asset. The fact you can grab these players for a quarter of their salaries is the reason GMs make these trades! Like most of them actually have the cap space to sign them for the next season (unless they let go of their own UFAs). You could argue NSH and ATL could have signed their rentals but honestly they were marginal teams just looking to make the playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites
runthemover 39 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 dude I'd give up Ville Niemenen, a 2nd-3rd tier prospect and a late 1st in that draft last year for Guerin every single time. He just happened to fall flat. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 here is a novel idea..ABOLISH THE ****ING SALARY CAP Link to post Share on other sites
nell789 0 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 here is a novel idea..ABOLISH THE ****ING SALARY CAP Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 here is a novel idea..ABOLISH THE ****ING SALARY CAP The salary cap has killed the Leafs chances at a Cup. They were doing so well before the cap it's almost as if the league conspired. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The salary cap has killed the Leafs chances at a Cup. They were doing so well before the cap it's almost as if the league conspired.you think you are being funny but its true...Do you think the NHL pushed for the cap do help teams like Toronto,Montreal and New York??They did it to help the cities with crappy fans and no attendance?Is it a coincidence that Pittsburgh got Crosby BEHIND closed doors..??Think about it monkey boy. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 you think you are being funny but its true...Do you think the NHL pushed for the cap do help teams like Toronto,Montreal and New York??They did it to help the cities with crappy fans and no attendance?Is it a coincidence that Pittsburgh got Crosby BEHIND closed doors..??Think about it monkey boy.Serge, in 200 words or less please explain how the salary cap has/will hurt the Toronto Maple Leafs chances at a Stanley Cup. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Serge, in 200 words or less please explain how the salary cap has/will hurt the Toronto Maple Leafs chances at a Stanley Cup.ok...The salary cap takes away the advantage teams like Toronto have due to the financial situation of the team. A team like Nashville,Florida,Anaheim,Carolina and Tampa Bay are allowed to compete on the same level as the Toronto Maple Leafs, which in my mind is not fair. The Leafs have a fanbase that I would argue is maybe 100 times that of Nashville. Therefore the Leafs should be able to spend as much money as they want, due to the support of the fanbase. Some will argue that how come they havent been able to win a cup with this unfair advantage in previous years? They were close on a few occasions and the unfair advantage wasnt as prevalent in the 80s as it was in the late 90s and the last few years before the lockout. Its just wrong to award franchises that cant draw any fans... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 ok...The salary cap takes away the advantage teams like Toronto have due to the financial situation of the team. A team like Nashville,Florida,Anaheim,Carolina and Tampa Bay are allowed to compete on the same level as the Toronto Maple Leafs, which in my mind is not fair. The Leafs have a fanbase that I would argue is maybe 100 times that of Nashville. Therefore the Leafs should be able to spend as much money as they want, due to the support of the fanbase. Some will argue that how come they havent been able to win a cup with this unfair advantage in previous years? They were close on a few occasions and the unfair advantage wasnt as prevalent in the 80s as it was in the late 90s and the last few years before the lockout. Its just wrong to award franchises that cant draw any fans...How would you feel if there were no salary cap and a multi-billionaire bought a team and decided to start accumulating all the best players by paying them outrageous salaries. Would you be okay with that? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Also, I bet MLSE is very happy there is a salary cap. They have to spend less of their profit. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 How would you feel if there were no salary cap and a multi-billionaire bought a team and decided to start accumulating all the best players by paying them outrageous salaries. Would you be okay with that?That would be different...I am probably not ok with that...I think maybe the teams salary cap should be linked somehow to the profit of the team... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 That would be different...I am probably not ok with that...I think maybe the teams salary cap should be linked somehow to the profit of the team...This wouldn't change anything in Toronto. MLSE wouldn't cut into their profits. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 This wouldn't change anything in Toronto. MLSE wouldn't cut into their profits.Of course they would..The salaries before the lockout were around $70 million..now its under $50...Just imagine the Leafs with 4 more $5 million players...The Habs,Rangers and Flyers too...These are teams that should be competing for the East , not New Jersey, not Pittsburgh, not even Ottawa.... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Of course they would..The salaries before the lockout were around $70 million..now its under $50...Just imagine the Leafs with 4 more $5 million players...The Habs,Rangers and Flyers too...These are teams that should be competing for the East , not New Jersey, not Pittsburgh, not even Ottawa....I really don't understand how you have any argument here Serge. The Leafs showed that they couldn't win without a salary cap and now they are well on their way to showing they can't win with a salary cap. The franchise has a constant stench of failure when it comes to the on-ice product and has for the most part since Harold Ballard was the owner. The salary cap is in place so all teams have a level playing field. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Clearly it's because the Leafs need an uneven playing field to even have a chance to win. Link to post Share on other sites
Fubar The Sperm 1 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Correct me if i'm wrong here guys but didn't both New Jersey and Pittsburgh win Cups within the last 20 years without a salary cap and hasn't Ottawa been competing and making the playoffs for several years before the cap came into place? If the Leafs have the most money then why don't they go spend it on the best scouts and hockey staff in order to get great prospects and players to sign with Toronto for below market value. The salary cap wouldn't matter if that were the case. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Correct me if i'm wrong here guys but didn't both New Jersey and Pittsburgh win Cups within the last 20 years without a salary cap and hasn't Ottawa been competing and making the playoffs for several years before the cap came into place? If the Leafs have the most money then why don't they go spend it on the best scouts and hockey staff in order to get great prospects and players to sign with Toronto for below market value. The salary cap wouldn't matter if that were the case.You can add Carolina to the list too. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't really like the idea of going to 5 shooters in a shootout. I don't see the point. Link to post Share on other sites
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