guess the down cards

[fluxer 0]

What do you guys think fluxer and the BB, had? I think I just referred to myself in third person. Anyway, I'll post the results with all cards shortly, hopefully after some responses. Here's the hand:I'm the button on a $25 max table.Assume everyone to be a decent player.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converterUTG ($19.05)Button ($29.89)SB ($21.25)BB ($45.21)Preflop: SB posts a blind of $0.1. Button raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.25.Flop: ($1.60) Q:spade:, T:spade:, 2:diamond: (3 players)BB bets $2, BB calls $2.Turn: ($9.60) 4:diamond: (3 players)BB bets $2, Button calls $2.River: ($13.60) K:heart: (3 players)BB bets $5, BB calls $10.Final Pot: $43.60

[highstackpoker 0]

this is a tough one, it really depends on what type of player your opponent. Assuming he's of average skill at that level, perhaps a little more aggressive than average, my money says that the BB has kj spades, or AA, and you have KQ.More info on the BB would help i think...

[sixclubcult 0]

You = A J BB = AK

[allinbluff35 0]

who cares, whatever you had you played it like garbage

[highstackpoker 0]

who cares, whatever you had you played it like garbage

hahaha christ...one funny mo fo...btw...this is slappy110, i got kicked off this thing a month ago lol dont ask

[fluxer 0]

who cares, whatever you had you played it like garbage

I did play this hand goofy but could you elaborate on how the entire hand was played like garbage (without even knowing the cards). I could see how the betting on the flop or turn really doesn't make too much sense but still, it's not the worst you'll see at the $25 nl games on Party.

[fluxer 0]

visit www.highstackpoekr.com in a couple weeks!!! should be some very resourceful things on there!highstackpoker, did you spell something wrong there?

[allinbluff35 0]

Preflop: SB posts a blind of $0.1. Button raises to $0.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.25. minimum raises are pointless, i'm not folding the SB or BB to it. it's stupid quit doing itFlop: ($1.60) Q, T, 2 (3 players) BB bets $2, Button raises to $4, BB calls $2. minimum raised again, there is no point to this, you tried to take control of the hand PF by min raising and now you're trying it again raise to $6 or foldTurn: ($9.60) 4 (3 players) BB bets $2, Button calls $2. what the hell are you calling this for? the BB makes almost a 1/5 the size pot bet and you just called there is no hand you should be slowplaying here as this is a draw heavy board, raise or foldRiver: ($13.60) K (3 players) BB bets $5, Button raises to $15, BB calls $10. i'm guessing you are making a last ditch effort to salvage this hand by bluffing and you get called KQ Final Pot: $43.60

[fluxer 0]

allinbluff35, all excellent points but what if at the $25 max NL level I thought betting less would do the same thing and my opponent wouldn't even know the difference (ie I would either lose or win more by betting the logical way you suggested; in other words, I would have a higher variance).Also, who said I lost the hand? lol

[allinbluff35 0]

allinbluff35, all excellent points but what if at the $25 max NL level I thought betting less would do the same thing and my opponent wouldn't even know the difference (ie I would either lose or win more by betting the logical way you suggested; in other words, I would have a higher variance).Also, who said I lost the hand? lol

variance is greater in NL than limit, either get accustomed to it or don't play it, and i said I'm guessing you were bluffing that's what it looked like by the way the hand played out.

[fluxer 0]

allinbluff35, all excellent points but what if at the $25 max NL level I thought betting less would do the same thing and my opponent wouldn't even know the difference (ie I would either lose or win more by betting the logical way you suggested; in other words, I would have a higher variance).Also, who said I lost the hand? lol

variance is greater in NL than limit, either get accustomed to it or don't play it, and i said I'm guessing you were bluffing that's what it looked like by the way the hand played out.

Hence the reason you need 1500 x BB for NL and 300 x BB for limit. Maybe it's just me but you came off as condescending (if such a tone was your intent I'm not sure what I did to deserve such a reply).

[allinbluff35 0]

allinbluff35, all excellent points but what if at the $25 max NL level I thought betting less would do the same thing and my opponent wouldn't even know the difference (ie I would either lose or win more by betting the logical way you suggested; in other words, I would have a higher variance).Also, who said I lost the hand? lol

variance is greater in NL than limit, either get accustomed to it or don't play it, and i said I'm guessing you were bluffing that's what it looked like by the way the hand played out.

Hence the reason you need 1500 x BB for NL and 300 x BB for limit. Maybe it's just me but you came off as condescending (if such a tone was your intent I'm not sure what I did to deserve such a reply).

i'm a prick, most people are used to it by now

[fluxer 0]

i'm a prick, most people are used to it by now

That's all right. Anyway, your hand analysis was very good...I'll post the full hand in a few hours after some more replies.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I'm convinced you held the Hammer of Thor, and the BB had KQ... :wink:

[whippedspoon 0]

what's the answer?

[Shellesund 0]

You: K2sBB: AK

[fatmanonguitar 0]

you = AJohim = AJochop chop

[Royal_Tour 0]

Without knowing you its difficult. but here goesYou had ace jack, of spades,Raised pre lfop.. raised post flop with strong draws,He had K, Q, hit two pair on the river, u missed your flush but hit your straight. He best out iwth 2 pair., you raise, he calls, U win.or version B.. u had K,K

[TheMulletBurden 0]

I also thought A J for your hand. I'm torn between KQ and KK for his hand. I'll go with KK.The AJ seems to make sense for your hand all the way through, but I'm wondering why he'd be making the minimum reraise with either KK or KQ (or really anything for that matter in his spot). So I'm definitely curious to hear his hand.

[Battle Scars 0]

You: J 9 BB: A K You make a button raise preflop (potential steal), but BB reraises you, but J 9 is good enough to see a flop, plus it's only another quarter, so you see a flop... which gives you an open-ended straight-flush draw.Of course, BB now has an ace-high flush draw, so he bets the pot (just in case you didn't hit anything). Thinking you have the best draw, you reraise. BB calls and hopes to hit the flush.Turn is a blank... BB makes a bet to see if you were on a draw and missed (which you were), but the bet wasn't big enough to scare you off. Since you just called, this rules out you flopping two-pair or a set, because you would have raised, therefore I think you were on a draw.The river gives you the second nut straight, but also gives BB top pair with top kicker, which is reasonable enough for him to make a 1/3 pot bet. The only hand that can beat you is AJ, so you raise... and he calls, which may or may not be smart. Another $10 to win $33+...Anyway, that's what I think.

[SabaAba 0]

I am assuming you are a good player (don't ask me why, I just do), so you either had AJ or KK.His bet on the turn indicated to me that he was not strong, so I'm putting him on KT, that would make his turn bet somewhat reasonable, although stupid, bet more or check, what is $2 going to do?. Anyway, he hit two pair on the river and of course like most fish, couldn't let it go.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I am assuming you are a good player (don't ask me why, I just do), so you either had AJ or KK.His bet on the turn indicated to me that he was not strong, so I'm putting him on KT, that would make his turn bet somewhat reasonable, although stupid, bet more or check, what is $2 going to do?. Anyway, he hit two pair on the river and of course like most fish, couldn't let it go.

Sabaa..which sites do u play on??.. i've notice similar views, and some desputes amongst each of our posts.,And i would love to play you in some heads up games.. Just as a friendly challenge.I'm not saying i'm better.. I just want to match wits

[Makavelli 0]

Fluxer: AKspades; BB: AQoff

[gadjet 11]

Allinbluff... your analysis assumes he wasn't raising with the draw. When I think this hand screams of Fluxer on the big draw and hitting on the river.SHort handed game .... so I'm putting Fluxer on J-9 or A-J but I think you raise more with AJ... and I put the big blind on KQ (maybe K-J) These are the hands that make the most sense... Short handed so Button position raises (small raise with J-9 to establish the lead. BB has KQ and reraises to say that he's not chopped liver... Button just calls cause his hand isn't a made one.BB bets out with a decent hand top pair bet. Button raises with the draw... this is where I hope you are raising with something better than AJ ie J-9 or maybe KK.Another thing which points me to J-9 is that you raised so much on the river, if you had KK you'd be scared of the openender hitting etc (I'd hope). Regardless I think he called you on the end htinking you were on a flush draw and missed ...

[rollito 0]

whats the answer......enough of the guessing....just post the answer already