Randy Reed 0 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 So what you are saying is that as we apply our collective effort to understand how things work in the universe function, as we peek into the cell and see the DNA strands with billions? of bits of information, as we get our minds around the immense power held in one atom, all only made possible after we invent a computer to perform millions upon millions of complex mathmatical problems for hours on end, all this points more and more to random chance accident?I think you only get to that conclusion if that is where you were heading before you started.I also think you get to my conclusion much easier if you are heading there before you start.The point of Ben Steins movie is that one side shouldn't be able to shut out the other side's efforts.It's the stupid arguement of intelligent design that you don't get. You assume an ultimate creator since the world seems complex. How complex does that make this creator and thus follows your logic that since everything complex has to have a creator, who created him? (Your God) Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted June 10, 2008 Share Posted June 10, 2008 A.E.Wilder Smith proved you wrong. Natural Science Knows Nothing of Evolution.It is wonderfull how easy you switch form we know enough about the universe to be very very sure there is no God, to we don't really know how life started. So much knowledge, so little sense.Wait, I thought the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. Little Dickie Dawkins said he believed it was close to 99%, much higher than 50% that there is no God. And the quote I referenced was Speedz saying Dickie Dawkins said that God was very very improbable.Now which is it? Am I on the hook to prove God, or are you on the hook to quantify why God is greatly improbable.If it's me I'll go Watchmaker argument. The universe is pretty cool, this much coolness needs a Fonz.If it's you you will need to misdirect, because your side has nothing but hyperbole. Try the FSM, it's so much more chic to use that debate poisoning technique. Or you can go back to "We really don't know" live which is your pretend open mindedness because we all know that you really do know there is no God.I don't know how many times this could be explained to you. You have to get the point everyone's made about how obscure the likelihood athiests think the old bearded guy in the sky you believe is, be it tooth fairy, easter bunny, or santa. Zillions to one. There is no evidence, period. With a little logical thought it's basically common sense. Link to post Share on other sites
xfrodobagginsx 0 Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 Evolution isn't possible unless there is an increase in DNA. There isn't a single shred of evidence that this has ever occured. Micro-evolution is a reshuffling of dna within a species. Creationists and Christians admit this happens, but we don't believe in Macro-evolution which is an increase of dna, where one species evolves into another one. This has NEVER happend. That's darwinian evolution and it's simply false. Even darwin became a Christian on his deathbed.RICHARD DAWKINS STUMPED AT QUESTION OF INCREASE IN DNA: Richard Dawkins stumped when asked for an example of where a mutation increased the information content of a genome. Watch it for yourself. The hidden truth is that creation and intelligent design scientists challege evolutionary scientists to public debate, but the evolutionist refuse to debate them out of fear. They can't answer many of the questions and it exposes their deception. If Down's syndrome was his only example, he's really digging himself into a hole. The simple addition of one chromosome through a DNA copying error which results in a handicappped offspring does not constitute and increase in genetic information, but a decrease. What I'm saying is the the absolute number of total base pairs is not a measure of how much genetic information is there. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Evolution isn't possible unless there is an increase in DNA. There isn't a single shred of evidence that this has ever occured. Micro-evolution is a reshuffling of dna within a species. Creationists and Christians admit this happens, but we don't believe in Macro-evolution which is an increase of dna, where one species evolves into another one. This has NEVER happend. That's darwinian evolution and it's simply false. Even darwin became a Christian on his deathbed.RICHARD DAWKINS STUMPED AT QUESTION OF INCREASE IN DNA: Richard Dawkins stumped when asked for an example of where a mutation increased the information content of a genome. Watch it for yourself. The hidden truth is that creation and intelligent design scientists challege evolutionary scientists to public debate, but the evolutionist refuse to debate them out of fear. They can't answer many of the questions and it exposes their deception. If Down's syndrome was his only example, he's really digging himself into a hole. The simple addition of one chromosome through a DNA copying error which results in a handicappped offspring does not constitute and increase in genetic information, but a decrease. What I'm saying is the the absolute number of total base pairs is not a measure of how much genetic information is there.Didn't seemed stumped to me and gave clear explicit explanation for the evolutionary process. You simply need to go back and listen. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Evolution isn't possible unless there is an increase in DNA. There isn't a single shred of evidence that this has ever occured. Micro-evolution is a reshuffling of dna within a species. Creationists and Christians admit this happens, but we don't believe in Macro-evolution which is an increase of dna, where one species evolves into another one. This has NEVER happend. That's darwinian evolution and it's simply false. Even darwin became a Christian on his deathbed.RICHARD DAWKINS STUMPED AT QUESTION OF INCREASE IN DNA: Richard Dawkins stumped when asked for an example of where a mutation increased the information content of a genome. Watch it for yourself. The hidden truth is that creation and intelligent design scientists challege evolutionary scientists to public debate, but the evolutionist refuse to debate them out of fear. They can't answer many of the questions and it exposes their deception. If Down's syndrome was his only example, he's really digging himself into a hole. The simple addition of one chromosome through a DNA copying error which results in a handicappped offspring does not constitute and increase in genetic information, but a decrease. What I'm saying is the the absolute number of total base pairs is not a measure of how much genetic information is there. http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/d...line-news_rss20 Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/d...line-news_rss20Ha ha, that didn't take long. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? There are some things that you should know:1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior: Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin. 2. Because of our sins, we die both spiritually and physically, but God sent His Son to die so that you can have a chance not to have to go to hell by accepting what He did on the cross for you:Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Ro 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. for us." Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. 3. If you will confess to Jesus Christ that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior, except Him as Lord and Savior and believe in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead you will be saved. Ro 10:9,10 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.." Joh 1:12 Joh 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name”You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you. Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die. Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins? Are you willing to turn from your sins to Jesus Christ for Salvation? 4. If you are willing to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this prayer to God from your heart:"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen." If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.This prayer is so stupid on so many levels. Let's start here. If God made them perfect why did they eat from the tree? Did he fuck up and give them too much free will? If God knows all, why didn't he already know they'd eat from the tree? Why did God have such a problem with them eating his apples? Was he a picky selfish prick that was just toying with them?Anywho, the whole premise of this prayer is to help explain how people can get to heaven. How do you envision heaven? Is it perfect like Eden was? Are there more apple trees he's going to taunt you with for fun? Maybe he gets a kick out of seeing people burn in hell. Wait, if he is all-powerful why don't he just do away with hell? I digress. If heaven is perfect then you can't have things like success, drive, imagination, loss, learning etc. Each would imply that it wasn't perfect in the first place, wouldn't it? Maybe heaven is more like being a rock in an eternal state of bliss. Doesn't that sound like fun?! Back to Eden. God banished Adam and Eve for their sins but they went on to have 2 kids. One of them killed the other. (God wasn't very good at creating humans was he?) Anyway, the remaining son went on to have kids and populate the earth. I am assuming it was because he had sex with his mother who was the only other female around. Incest is best! Well, either that or he could have sex with apes, but I don't want to open that door, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
colonel Feathers 5 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I believe this post is correct, accept the part between ARE and baptism. Im happy that you accept it all. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/d...line-news_rss20Wow, great link. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Wow, great link.Wow... great addition to the forum. Thanks for your opinion and input. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Wow... great addition to the forum. Thanks for your opinion and input.WWJD? Follow people around and harass them. Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 WWJD? Follow people around and harass them.I love you bro!You make me smile...a lot Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/d...line-news_rss20Ouch. That's pretty damning to anti-evolutionists. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 It's always more helpful to read the actual paper. And this is biology, people, not say physics or mathematics, so it's not like it's hard to read.http://myxo.css.msu.edu/lenski/pdf/2008,%2...t%20et%20al.pdfSee, no integrals or anything. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I hate this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Reed 0 Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 I hate this thread.That's not very Christian of you. Link to post Share on other sites
xfrodobagginsx 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 ?????? Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I hate this thread.Hate is such a strong word... Hate takes effort. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,751 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I hate this thread.It's really awful. The "christians" need to stop posting. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Evolution isn't possible unless there is an increase in DNA. What does this even mean? Even darwin became a Christian on his deathbed. not trueRICHARD DAWKINS STUMPED AT QUESTION OF INCREASE IN DNA: Richard Dawkins stumped when asked for an example of where a mutation increased the information content of a genome. Watch it for yourself. i have, he isnt the least bit "stumped"The hidden truth is that creation and intelligent design scientists challege evolutionary scientists to public debate, but the evolutionist refuse to debate them out of fear. They can't answer many of the questions and it exposes their deception. name a question that "exposes deception"If Down's syndrome was his only example, he's really digging himself into a hole. The simple addition of one chromosome through a DNA copying error which results in a handicappped offspring does not constitute and increase in genetic information, but a decrease. no, it is neitherWhat I'm saying is the the absolute number of total base pairs is not a measure of how much genetic information is there. of course it is. the number of base pairs sets a limit on the number of different codes possible you know nothing about evolution. stop embarassing yourself and go back to lotr, thats apparently the depth of reality you can comprehend.BTW the answer to the question posed in the subject is to have a plaque with "Heaven" engraved on it on your coffin Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 A poll, according to Tim, should have a sample size of 3-4%, I'll use 2% for the benefit of the silliness.No I said that 3 or 4% is a normal margin of error, not the percentage of the population that was polled. Not the same thing at all. I also meant to say +/-. The number of people polled for any political poll is tenths or hundredths of a percentage of the population they are sampling. Link to post Share on other sites
xfrodobagginsx 0 Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 It's really awful. The "christians" need to stop posting.I see, so you think that you have a right to censure anyone whom you don't agree with? Can they do the same to you? Link to post Share on other sites
xfrodobagginsx 0 Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 It's really awful. The "christians" need to stop posting.I see, so you think that you have a right to censure anyone whom you don't agree with? Can they do the same to you? Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I see, so you think that you have a right to censure anyone whom you don't agree with? Can they do the same to you?get em Frodo Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodAFD 0 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I see, so you think that you have a right to censure anyone whom you don't agree with? Can they do the same to you?Welcome to FCP Link to post Share on other sites
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