NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 So I'm playing a little while with this guy who keeps overbetting pots and is down like 2 buy-ins already because he also overplays his hands so badly... I'm waiting for the button to come to me so he can raise pf, c-bet flop then I can come over the top and TID or hit a monster and stack said Villain.Seat 3: Villain ~$300Seat 5: HERO ~$600Hero is on button with :D . UTG+1 limps for $3. Folds to Villain who makes it $20 total. Hero calls, folds to UTG+1 who calls as well so we have 3 to the flop (pot=$65) :D UTG+1 checks. Villain bets $60. I was 90% sure Villain didn't have the Q so I planned on floating him and pushing to a weak turn bet. HERO calls.Turn hits me with Villain bets $120 and has about $100 behind. (pot=$305).... Well this isn't exactly a weak bet and I still don't think he has a Q beat, but I know he isn't folding river no matter what.... HERO?... Link to post Share on other sites
StilettoNole 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Honestly, to stack a guy like this... I wouldn't be calling a large raise pre-flop with K-3 (even if it is s00ted). Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 Honestly, to stack a guy like this... I wouldn't be calling a large raise pre-flop with K-3 (even if it is s00ted).I know, and normally I wouldn't be, but I was planning on bluffing his c-bet on the flop. I knew he would come out with a big bet on the flop and had a good read that he wasn't that strong.EDIT: Oh, but stacking him with K3 would make it that much sweeter. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 But we've got 14 outs now getting 4:1 implied... Is this a call or fold? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 So I'm playing a little while with this guy who keeps overbetting pots and is down like 2 buy-ins already because he also overplays his hands so badly... I'm waiting for the button to come to me so he can raise pf, c-bet flop then I can come over the top and TID or hit a monster and stack said Villain.Seat 3: Villain ~$300Seat 5: HERO ~$600Hero is on button with :D . UTG+1 limps for $3. Folds to Villain who makes it $20 total. Hero calls, folds to UTG+1 who calls as well so we have 3 to the flop (pot=$65) :D UTG+1 checks. Villain bets $60. I was 90% sure Villain didn't have the Q so I planned on floating him and pushing to a weak turn bet. HERO calls.Turn hits me with Villain bets $120 and has about $100 behind. (pot=$305).... Well this isn't exactly a weak bet and I still don't think he has a Q beat, but I know he isn't folding river no matter what.... HERO?...Hero folds preflop and then doesn't have to worry about it.I know, and normally I wouldn't be, but I was planning on bluffing his c-bet on the flop. I knew he would come out with a big bet on the flop and had a good read that he wasn't that strong.EDIT: Oh, but stacking him with K3 would make it that much sweeter.Normally nothing. Fold preflop. The guy is a stack off donkey, wait til you make a hand. Why do you want to outplay the guy with K3s. I realize it has magical power, but christ, just fold.But we've got 14 outs now getting 4:1 implied... Is this a call or fold? FOLD PREFLOP. /rant Link to post Share on other sites
Killrus 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 turn did not hit you. fold and save your money. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share Posted February 3, 2008 Like I said, usually I wouldn't play that hand, but I was already up $400 at the time, I had the button and was making sick reads left and right calling out people's cards. My game doesn't revolve around sitting around and catching cards though. Villain didn't have a flush draw, KK, AA or a Q btw so my read was right. I was at worst, 3:1 and getting 4:1 to call. Isn't that like throwing money away? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 Like I said, usually I wouldn't play that hand, but I was already up $400 at the time, I had the button and was making sick reads left and right calling out people's cards. My game doesn't revolve around sitting around and catching cards though. Villain didn't have a flush draw, KK, AA or a Q btw so my read was right. I was at worst, 3:1 and getting 4:1 to call. Isn't that like throwing money away?/brag. Btw, what you're up doesn't matter at all.Whats the point of asking advice if you're already dead set that you've made the right decision? Link to post Share on other sites
craiger 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 In saving you another "fold preflop" speech..here is what I think fwiw:Okay so you know he is not folding no matter what, which means that shoving the turn is stupid..because you can just call and if the river bricks off for you, then you can fold on the river and save the extra $100...unless you think your 3 is good. So I would call and try to hit a K, 3, or club. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 /brag. Btw, what you're up doesn't matter at all.Whats the point of asking advice if you're already dead set that you've made the right decision?Well when I first posted, I was solely asking about what to do on the turn. And I still don't know that I made the right decision. I hadn't done the actual math before I made the OP, I just knew it was close and wanted to see what other people who really know what they're doing would have done because after I won the hand, people at the table were calling me "a sick puppy" "a twisted individual" s.h.it like that. I mean, say this was a limped pot and the betting went the same way just on a smaller scale with same odds, are you guys still folding turn? Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 In saving you another "fold preflop" speech..here is what I think fwiw:Okay so you know he is not folding no matter what, which means that shoving the turn is stupid..because you can just call and if the river bricks off for you, then you can fold on the river and save the extra $100...unless you think your 3 is good. So I would call and try to hit a K, 3, or club.thx, and right, he's not folding so my option was call or fold. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 So I'm playing a little while with this guy who keeps overbetting pots and is down like 2 buy-ins already because he also overplays his hands so badly... Hi. I'm irony. I came to visit this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi. I'm irony. I came to visit this thread.LOL, 3's were good, btw... Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 pinch pinch Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Well when I first posted, I was solely asking about what to do on the turn. And I still don't know that I made the right decision. I hadn't done the actual math before I made the OP, I just knew it was close and wanted to see what other people who really know what they're doing would have done because after I won the hand, people at the table were calling me "a sick puppy" "a twisted individual" s.h.it like that. I mean, say this was a limped pot and no one raised to me, and I folded preflop, would may play have been correct? Yes, yes it would have.So, from what I gather, you called the turn, and then hero called the river with 3's and won, and expect to garner strategy from this post?I think I vote this as "Veiled Brag Post of the Millennium." Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 Yes, yes it would have.So, from what I gather, you called the turn, and then hero called the river with 3's and won, and expect to garner strategy from this post?I think I vote this as "Veiled Brag Post of the Millennium."I wasn't even going to reveal results until I got flamed by you idiots for asking your honest opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 good god raise the flop every time.(folding pf is obviously the smart thing to do here (we can explain with math if you need -- you won't flop a flush draw and get there often enough to make up for how many times you will miss and how you aren't very deep, nor reverse implied odds when you flop a King and stack yourself cause your kicker is a 3 --, but i wont say it since it should be incredibly obvious, but i will put in in little "()" marks).- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 good god raise the flop every time.(folding pf is obviously the smart thing to do here (we can explain with math if you need -- you won't flop a flush draw and get there often enough to make up for how many times you will miss and how you aren't very deep, nor reverse implied odds when you flop a King and stack yourself cause your kicker is a 3 --, but i wont say it since it should be incredibly obvious, but i will put in in little "()" marks).- JordanThanks Jordan, and looking back, I should have raised on the flop, but Villain betting the pot on the flop made me hesitate so I just called. I didn't expect him to bet that much on the flop with nothing so my plan had to become shoving turn to a weakish bet or check which is what I thought he was going to do. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 good god raise the flop every time.QFMFTSeriously, OP...you said your plan was to bluff at his c-bet...and then you got a monster semi-bluffing flop...and then you failed to pull the trigger, which put you in a tough spot on the turn. Pop the flop to $200 and call if he goes all-in. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share Posted February 4, 2008 QFMFTSeriously, OP...you said your plan was to bluff at his c-bet...and then you got a monster semi-bluffing flop...and then you failed to pull the trigger, which put you in a tough spot on the turn. Pop the flop to $200 and call if he goes all-in. Yep, I know, I guess I just kinda second guessed my read a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi. I'm irony. I came to visit this thread.I LOL'd.Oh, and I read all of the replies. FOLD PREFLOP. Not sure if anyone mentioned that yet.Aside from that, what Jordan said. I don't know why you called preflop with the intention of raising his c-bet, then you flopped like the only good flop for your hand, AND DIDN'T RAISE HIS C-BET! I'm like, wtf.We all understand outplaying people and using position, but when a guy's raising like 8% of his stack preflop and is obviously out of line a lot, wait for something that resembles a hand before starting to call preflop raises. If you wanna reraise him preflop (I probably wouldn't recommend it against this guy from the sound of it) then you can have any 2, but calling bets requires stronger hands. Get a hand a little less hopeless than krablar next time. Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 This thread is going to put Zach on monkey tiltop- since you didn't just fold preflop please raise the flop like 101% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I wasn't even going to reveal results until I got flamed by you idiots for asking your honest opinion.This is the most blatantly hypocritical post ever.You say you ask for our "honest opinions" and then when you get them, you call us (well, basically me, an idiot). Good job sir, keep playing trash hands and trying to make superherodanielnegreanucalls, because I enjoy knowing you're going to be a losing player when all is said and done. I don't understand people who post hands when all they want is an ego boost, and if they don't get it, they turn into whiny bitches. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 This is the most blatantly hypocritical post ever.You say you ask for our "honest opinions" and then when you get them, you call us (well, basically me, an idiot). Good job sir, keep playing trash hands and trying to make superherodanielnegreanucalls, because I enjoy knowing you're going to be a losing player when all is said and done. I don't understand people who post hands when all they want is an ego boost, and if they don't get it, they turn into whiny bitches.I'm gonna have to agree with NoBBir here.There's nothing more frustrating for posters than when someone posts a hand and says "no comments on preflop please" or "no _________ please" or just insists that they made the correct move or made a good play when it is blatantly obvious that they have not. If you're going to post a hand, then post a hand and listen to what people have to say. If you can't take getting flamed or mocked for ridiculously bad plays then either don't make those plays or don't post hands here. Link to post Share on other sites
NonZeroPossibility 0 Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 I'm gonna have to agree with NoBBir here.There's nothing more frustrating for posters than when someone posts a hand and says "no comments on preflop please" or "no _________ please" or just insists that they made the correct move or made a good play when it is blatantly obvious that they have not. If you're going to post a hand, then post a hand and listen to what people have to say. If you can't take getting flamed or mocked for ridiculously bad plays then either don't make those plays or don't post hands here.QUOTE(Jordan @ Sunday, February 3rd, 2008, 10:12 PM) *good god raise the flop every time.(folding pf is obviously the smart thing to do here (we can explain with math if you need -- you won't flop a flush draw and get there often enough to make up for how many times you will miss and how you aren't very deep, nor reverse implied odds when you flop a King and stack yourself cause your kicker is a 3 --, but i wont say it since it should be incredibly obvious, but i will put in in little "()" marks).- JordanThanks Jordan, and looking back, I should have raised on the flop, but Villain betting the pot on the flop made me hesitate so I just called. I didn't expect him to bet that much on the flop with nothing so my plan had to become shoving turn to a weakish bet or check which is what I thought he was going to do.QUOTE(CobaltBlue @ Sunday, February 3rd, 2008, 11:26 PM) *QFMFTSeriously, OP...you said your plan was to bluff at his c-bet...and then you got a monster semi-bluffing flop...and then you failed to pull the trigger, which put you in a tough spot on the turn. Pop the flop to $200 and call if he goes all-in.Yep, I know, I guess I just kinda second guessed my read a little bit. Link to post Share on other sites
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