Awkward 99 Spot In 11r

[jjgoldy5 0]

This hand came up last night in the 11r..We have 40k at the 1k/2k +antes level.Somewhat close to the $ and we are about average stack.Image is definitely TAG. A player who I have no read on with 60k opens for 6k from the hijack and we have 99 on the button.Are we too deep to shove here? I hate calling here, but I just dont know if a shove or reraise can be profitable here given stack sizes and that any reasonable reraise commits me to going with the hand.As played, I shoved hoping to get a light call from someone who thought I was restealing.

[Omaha Hi/Lo 0]

I don't find much fault in it. Did you get action?

[gobears 0]

I shove there - stack is too short to just call plus it makes it more inviting for one of the blinds to shove over both of you. A regular raise puts almost 1/2 your stack in.

[Sheiky 0]

What about flat calling PF and looking to raise/shove most flops that he C-bets?Stack sizes would give your flop shove A LOT of FE against the villain who would have to call of 2/3 of his chips.

[simo_8ball 0]

Easy shove preflop. If we had 55k+ I would probably call and see a flop in position.As is, you can add >25% to your stack without seeing a flop.

[Bshealey786 0]

I definitly like the shove here

[copernicus 0]

no read on villain? Are you in the payout structure and moving up a few spots is meaningful?If none of above I think you have to shove. Youre ahead of a lot of his range, and you might fold out TT and JJ. You dont have a lot of time to wait for first in vigorish .My guess is that some of the nittier but good tournament pros fold here though.Sheiky, you cant stop and go here, you dont have position. He should be firing a c-bet on any board and you dont have any reasonable FE once he does. If hero were in the blinds then I think a stop and go has a lot of merit. Call and evaluate? No, you have to push against any board.

[Kaveros 0]

Assuming you have a read on him, flat call.Most likely with the blinds this high, he will bet outon any flop, at which point you can just take it from him.

[copernicus 0]

Assuming you have a read on him, flat call.Most likely with the blinds this high, he will bet outon any flop, at which point you can just take it from him.

This is the worst option. The only truly safe board you can play is a set, and you dont have near the implied odds to set mine.

[HighwayStar 8]

I fail at playing any flop with more than 1 overcard or any ace on in this spot with these stacks.However, I probably usually flat call, which is wrong, so in future, I shove.

[copernicus 0]

I fail at playing any flop with more than 1 overcard or any ace on in this spot with these stacks.

This means that youre going to play about 60% of the hands and give up 40%. When you play the 60% assume hes going to have the overcard 25% of the time and youll suck out and you lose 90% of those and get stacked or win 10%, assume when he doesnt have the overcard that you win an additional 1/2 pot on average.So for your 6k investment you get-6000*40% -60% * 25% * 90% * -40000 +60% * 25% *10% * 44000 +60%* 75% * 16000 = 60So this is basically a break even play under those assumptions, which are pretty generous (that he cbets 100% of the time and it doesnt take into account the times he already has overpairs and the times that he sucks out on you with an underpair, though it doesnt take into account your winning sets). Once you take those into account its probably slightly negative. Thats not quite as bad as set mining and a little worse than folding.What about pushing? Without doing the math, between hand equity and fold equity it has to be postive.

[bigcoled 1]

I think to properly assess this situation we need to take a look at your mindset in this situation. 1K/2K blinds 40K stack.... A 6K raise is standard and represents 15% of your stack.... That's alot! But it's standard... We know nothing about the player... The tables are going to remain fairly full... we can see alot of hands for our money... Someone else has opened the pot... 2 overs is a coinflip... in our position a standard reraise could be seen as a move and we could end up in coinflip calling his reraise all in... We have 99... If we call, we're facing 10K on the flop.. only hitting one of the 2 nines on the flop makes us really comfortable... All that in mind... It's hard to flat call with such short stacks... the correct play would have to be to fold... You aren't the one opening the pot, being close to the money we need to be the aggressor so we don't have to make the best hand to win... all in = coinflip or worse... i think we can find better spots to do damage, hard to respect his position, but our hand is difficult to play and his hand is difficult to read... err on the side of safety in a tourney, because you must survive...

[The Phoenix 0]

Some of the responses in this thread are troubling. I'd be more critical but about 6 months ago I would have probably authored a similar response to many of the above BAD responses. This spot is incredibly standard. It is a spot bad/average players play poorly and its a spot where if you improve your play in this area you can make huge strides with your game. This exact spot, plus Annette's (Annette_15 obv) advice on playing small pairs depending on stack size and her advice on tightening your raising range with a 20bb stack (less open raising look for more resteal spots) are the three leak areas that have helped my tourney results tremendously. I happen to think most low limit tournament players have those same leaks.The incredibly standard play here is to shove. You have the perfectly restealing stack size but this is not a resteal, its a value shove. Sure, we'd love a read to know this isn't the biggest nit ever but 99 is almost certainly ahead of his 30bb raising range in late position. You'll win this pot preflop most of the time. If you are playing to win this is a must shove situation. Folding is beyond awful. What kind of spot do you want to make a move? AA and KK? Good luck waiting for them. Calling is a mistake. We are not deep enough, Copernicus explained nicely why. That goes without mentioning that flatting invites the blinds to come in and see a flop or make a squeeze play. You reduce the value of your hand by flat calling. I don't think many tournament pros (even the nittier ones) are folding here. The only one that I can think of that might is Rizen. Folding is better than calling but folding is way too weak unless we have a solid read that the initial raiser's raising is ridiculously tight.

[jjgoldy5 0]

Some of the responses in this thread are troubling. I'd be more critical but about 6 months ago I would have probably authored a similar response to many of the above BAD responses. This spot is incredibly standard. It is a spot bad/average players play poorly and its a spot where if you improve your play in this area you can make huge strides with your game. This exact spot, plus Annette's (Annette_15 obv) advice on playing small pairs depending on stack size and her advice on tightening your raising range with a 20bb stack (less open raising look for more resteal spots) are the three leak areas that have helped my tourney results tremendously. I happen to think most low limit tournament players have those same leaks.

I agree completely and plugging the same leaks have helped my game a ton. I can't stress enough how important it is to conserve chips in the 12-20 BB range and not opening without the intention of continuing with the hand (in most cases).