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Call, Raise, FoldFull Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 PlayersLeggoPoker.com - Hand History ConverterUTG+1: $50.70UTG+2: $49.50MP1: $55.25MP2: $21.35CO: $66.65BTN: $50.80Hero (SB): $51.55BB: $49.50UTG: $102.50Pre-Flop: Q :D A :club: dealt to Hero (SB)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB foldsFlop: ($3.50) 2 :D Q :D J :D (2 Players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $13,

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Wow. Fun hand. Love the 4x pot bet. I'll try and see how wrong I am. My guess is that villain has a made hand (probably w/o a diamond) that he doesn't want to get sucked out on. AJ, JJ, QQ, AQ, KK, AA, KQ probably? Is there any way he gives up any of those hands if we shove on him and do we want him to go away? I think our action dies if another diamond falls and we may already have the best hand.I think I shove.

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Wow. Fun hand. Love the 4x pot bet. I'll try and see how wrong I am. My guess is that villain has a made hand (probably w/o a diamond) that he doesn't want to get sucked out on. AJ, JJ, QQ, AQ, KK, AA, KQ probably? Is there any way he gives up any of those hands if we shove on him and do we want him to go away? I think our action dies if another diamond falls and we may already have the best hand.I think I shove.
No notes on the guy and not using pokertracker or hud so we have to play him as standard....By the way...does anyone have pokerstove and mind running the range here that he listed. I wasn't quite sure based on his range what the odds were on this hand.
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I shove, I don't think a made flush or a set ever do this and you're crushing everything else in his range. Maybe he has KsKd or something like that.
Yah I agree most just make a standard bet here and make there move on the turn depending on what comes out. What makes it dicey is that based on his bet there's a decent chance he'll stack off with his hole cards if I raise or shove.
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1. Why did you check the flop?2. How badly did you hurt your finger clicking "all in" after the action on the flop?3. BBFIDTS I'm sure.
I wanted to check raise here if he bet out and if he checked I'm drawing to the nut flush draw cheaply oop. The only problem is when I check he over-bet the pot. I could have taken the line and bet out which I agree with, but I felt at that point that I was in good shape here and took this line instead.
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You don't want to wait until the four flush hits the board to try and get money out of the villain, unless he has a set and is drawing to a boat or has something like the Kd he won't pay you at all and even then he won't pay you much. You want to get your money in ahead of that situation occurring.Also, a set isn't going to be overshoving the pot here because a smart player with a set will know he's crushing everything except a made flush, and even against that he has outs. He is playing for value at this point, plenty of hands he beats will pay him. Someone playing for value doesnt shove 4x the pot on the flop.We definitely want to get the money in here, fistpumpinstaallin please.

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You don't want to wait until the four flush hits the board to try and get money out of the villain, unless he has a set and is drawing to a boat or has something like the Kd he won't pay you at all and even then he won't pay you much. You want to get your money in ahead of that situation occurring.Also, a set isn't going to be overshoving the pot here because a smart player with a set will know he's crushing everything except a made flush, and even against that he has outs. He is playing for value at this point, plenty of hands he beats will pay him. Someone playing for value doesnt shove 4x the pot on the flop.We definitely want to get the money in here, fistpumpinstaallin please.
Well I wasn't waiting for the four flush to hit actually. It would have just been a bonus to hit and take down a pot if it did come on the turn...Nevertheless I shoved all-in.I just wanted to see what the norm is here...The results are irrelevant.Out of curiosity would anybody just call and re-evaluate on the turn here?
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You don't want to wait until the four flush hits the board to try and get money out of the villain, unless he has a set and is drawing to a boat or has something like the Kd he won't pay you at all and even then he won't pay you much. You want to get your money in ahead of that situation occurring.Also, a set isn't going to be overshoving the pot here because a smart player with a set will know he's crushing everything except a made flush, and even against that he has outs. He is playing for value at this point, plenty of hands he beats will pay him. Someone playing for value doesnt shove 4x the pot on the flop.We definitely want to get the money in here, fistpumpinstaallin please.
Does a smart player ever shove 4x the pot on the flop? That's why I'm asking. This bet is just so ridiculous, in my opinion, that we can't assume he would do this with an overpair and 2nd nut flush draw and not a set.
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Call, Raise, FoldFull Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 PlayersLeggoPoker.com - Hand History ConverterUTG+1: $50.70UTG+2: $49.50MP1: $55.25MP2: $21.35CO: $66.65BTN: $50.80Hero (SB): $51.55BB: $49.50UTG: $102.50Pre-Flop: Q:spade: A:diamond: dealt to Hero (SB)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB foldsFlop: ($3.50) 2:diamond: Q:diamond: J:diamond: (2 Players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $13,
HU, I go a little more than min raise here. Guarantees us an AI at the river. I'm not folding any card that appears on the board here.
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Call, Raise, FoldFull Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 PlayersLeggoPoker.com - Hand History ConverterUTG+1: $50.70UTG+2: $49.50MP1: $55.25MP2: $21.35CO: $66.65BTN: $50.80Hero (SB): $51.55BB: $49.50UTG: $102.50Pre-Flop: Q :D A :club: dealt to Hero (SB)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.25, BB foldsFlop: ($3.50) 2 :D Q :D J :D (2 Players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $13,

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Does a smart player ever shove 4x the pot on the flop? That's why I'm asking. This bet is just so ridiculous, in my opinion, that we can't assume he would do this with an overpair and 2nd nut flush draw and not a set.
To be honest...I don't re-call going to a showdown on a situation like this where someone over-bet the pot like that with a set...Typically what I see is that the set bets out the pot and the draw raises and they get it all-in on the flop. I've been on both sides of this equation, but have never gone to a showdown where I saw a set 4x bet on the flop with villian showing a set
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Fold preflop.Push as played.

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Pardon my ignorance, but why do we want to fold preflop here? Its a standard raise and we have a hand which is only behind to 4 possible holdings.
AQo doesn't really stack up well with a reasonable raising range from UTG+1. Plus we're out of position, which can prove to be expensive if we're up against AK and flop an ace.
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Just noticed this is full ring, fold preflop is probably correct if this guy is aware of position. If he doesn't understand the importance of position then his UTG opening range is wider and I might reraise.I'm shoving the flop.Does anyone else think the flop bet from villain was a misclick? Or it could be a 'defensive push', where the villain didn't get the flop he was after and bet huge to try and get you to fold.

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Just noticed this is full ring, fold preflop is probably correct if this guy is aware of position. If he doesn't understand the importance of position then his UTG opening range is wider and I might reraise.I'm shoving the flop.Does anyone else think the flop bet from villain was a misclick? Or it could be a 'defensive push', where the villain didn't get the flop he was after and bet huge to try and get you to fold.
I think it's a misclick.Regardless, just ship it in buddy.And I don't think I'd fold this to a 3x preflop raise at 50nl, even OOP. I guess if you're sort of uncomfortable post flop, then folding is good. We're basically closing the action unless the BB blows up.
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For those of you who said fold preflop, is that because of the early position of the raiser? Because I have been generally 3-betting AQo preflop, at least against late position raisers.

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