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[Loismustdie 0]

Are you saying there is such a thing as luck? Blaphemy, burn the witch, burn the witch!!!Everything happens for a reason, for the Bible told me so.A kid just got run over by a drunk driver, she was only 11, but don't worry sad parents. She went to Heaven! Everything happens for a reason! It will all turn out alright in the end.If my kid was just killed and some Christian told me it "would all be alright". I would punch that Jesus Freak in the face. But you always see that happening with some of them, do they think it is comforting.The truth is that the kid was killed because some worthless dude decided to be worthless. He wasn't "evil", it will not "work out". The child is gone, and the man responsible should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.I don't care if he goes to prison and confesses to Jesus and such, he is still worthless in this world. Ask Son of Sam. That's one reason I hate Christians in prison, it's a easy out for criminals. How about they actually be re habituated if possible, not pumped full of Jesus's love.If you kill 52 people, and then repent and take Jesus into your heart. You will go to Heaven.If Ted Bundy could've did that, I do not want to be a part of Heaven. Rather burn in hell with Jimi Hendrix, Gandhi, and Richard Dawkins.

Never one to be shy about getting in the ring with someone such as you, I should say that you start off completely wrong. All things do not happen for a reason. In the life of a christian, yes. But, that's probably a bit much for you. Let's blow you mind some more. The 52 person killer, while I cannot say 100% for sure he did not go to heaven I can say I am 99.9999999999% sure he did not go to heaven. Why, you ask? because we serve God with our minds. These people you speak of, well, there mid is warped. They cannot serve God. Accepting Jesus isn't enough, there is a life to be led, a heart that needs changing. If all you can think is "Jesus loves me, but man I wish I had knife right now so I could gut that guy and eat him" well, you ain't going to heaven. You are still the same person. Let me be clear here, and listen very closely- I have seen your posts, and they are sorely lacking in even a rudimentary understanding of christianity, and God. Let's be a little clearer, shall we- you don't know diddly. Now, that being said, I can, as always, help. Not getting the vibe that you are looking for that, though.

[ShakeZuma 585]

Never one to be shy about getting in the ring with someone such as you, I should say that you start off completely wrong. All things do not happen for a reason. In the life of a christian, yes. But, that's probably a bit much for you. Let's blow you mind some more. The 52 person killer, while I cannot say 100% for sure he did not go to heaven I can say I am 99.9999999999% sure he did not go to heaven. Why, you ask? because we serve God with our minds. These people you speak of, well, there mid is warped. They cannot serve God. Accepting Jesus isn't enough, there is a life to be led, a heart that needs changing. If all you can think is "Jesus loves me, but man I wish I had knife right now so I could gut that guy and eat him" well, you ain't going to heaven. You are still the same person. Let me be clear here, and listen very closely- I have seen your posts, and they are sorely lacking in even a rudimentary understanding of christianity, and God. Let's be a little clearer, shall we- you don't know diddly. Now, that being said, I can, as always, help. Not getting the vibe that you are looking for that, though.

so do retards go to hell?

[Loismustdie 0]

Of course there is such a thing as luck, anyone who has ever played poker knows that. The Bible doesn't say everything happens for a reason...that is purely a man-made philiosophy, mostly from taking certain verses from the Bible out of context.I would totally expect you to punch someone in the face if they told you everything was going to be alright if your kid had just died. I, unfortunately, have seen many parents' children taken from them at a far too young age. But, for those who are believers, there is a silver underlining, because the believers will get to see their children once again, that can be very comforting to someone. And I agree with you the drunk driver is not evil, but he should be punished by the law. But, I don't understand your next points. You say the man is not evil, but he is worthless in this world. Really? A man who drove drunk, which countless people do everyday, and some that do it only once in awhile, are all worthless? Or are they just worthless if they drive drunk and kill someone? No, they made a mistake, broke the law, cost a young child their life, and added a lifetime of grief to the parents. Does that make them worthless, or just guilty of making a poor decision and suffering the consequences? Are you saying that that person could never be a contributing member of society because of one costly mistake?Now, it sounds to me like in your next statement, that you wouldn't mind some getting better, getting out of prison, and contributing to society, as long as Jesus wasn't the cause of their rehabilitation...why? Because, if Jesus is the cause of their rehabilitation, they will go to Heaven, and you don't think they deserve that? It would be ok for someone to get out, contribute to society, and then go to hell? Is that what justice is to you?Why wouldn't you want to be apart of Heaven if a man like Ted Bundy can confess and get in? To me, that's a sign of an amazing God with amazing love, forgiveness, and grace, to let a man like that in Heaven. No matter what we do, God will take us in, and all we have to do his accept his son? That's it. You don't want to be apart of that. You don't want someone to love you like that? Wow.The thing you have to realize is the reality of Jesus' sacrifice. When Jesus died he LITERALLY took on every sin that everyone who has, is, and will ever live into his form. Jesus took our place. God could not even look at him, because the sin disgusted him. Our sin disgusted God. Our sin that was now that Jesus was now the embodiment of. He paid the price we were supposed to pay. He took Ted Bundy's sins. When Ted accepted Jesus, that became a reality. No longer did Ted commit all those murders, but Jesus did. Jesus was the one that commited all those murders. And that's why Jesus had to die, and that's why Ted, and the rest of us who have sinned, can be with God in Heaven. That's the beauty that so many of us miss.But, you would rather burn with those people in Hell. Well, by all means that's your right and your choice. The sad part is, the Bible is true, you will be all alone in Hell....everyone has there own separate hell, you don't get to see your buddies down there while you all burn together. You are completely alone, and the worst part is not the fire, the worst part is the separation from God. The separation from God, that you didn't have to endure, if you had just allowed God's son to take your place...but, like I said, that's your right and your choice.

Um, no. Not if you believe the Bible. Faith without works is dead. Ted Bundy can acceptance Christ all he wants, but if he still has a cravein for flesh, he is still Ted Bundy the murderer, an unchanged man. If what you are saying was biblically true I would walk away from church forever in a heartbeat, and never look back. I like you, Herokid but you must realize that it is precisely this brand of nonsense that makes most intelligent people run away as fast as possible.

[Loismustdie 0]

so do retards go to hell?

I think God would have mercy on someone that was handicapped from day one. I don't see how he could not. He says he watches over those types of people, I can't think of the scripture. Now, that being said, "retarded" because you were born that way and "retarded" like some of the people on this forum are 2 different beasts. Also, should the soul who is drooling an blabbering because he did drugs, ****ed whores, and sinned as much as possible and consequently lost his mind be treated differently than the soul who never stood a chance? Most definitely. One is a product of sin, one is a product of chance.

[Balloon guy 158]

I like how Balloon guy posted how thank god Gore didn't get elected? How much worse can our country get right now, with your boy Bush in office???

Wow, you capitalized Gore's name but not God. You may want to look into your value rating system there.And without Bush we could have been in much worse shape.

[Balloon guy 158]

gg Plutoyou were always my favorite

The Man decided Pluto wasn't good enough anymore

[herokid7 0]

Um, no. Not if you believe the Bible. Faith without works is dead. Ted Bundy can acceptance Christ all he wants, but if he still has a cravein for flesh, he is still Ted Bundy the murderer, an unchanged man. If what you are saying was biblically true I would walk away from church forever in a heartbeat, and never look back. I like you, Herokid but you must realize that it is precisely this brand of nonsense that makes most intelligent people run away as fast as possible.

The problem with that , Lois, is that If Bundy was serving a death sentence in prison, he really didn't have much of a chance to show if he was changed or unchanged, now did he?I point you to the thieves that hung next to Jesus on the cross. One of the thieves was cursing Jesus just as much as the people were, the other thief, however, said (I'm paraphrasing) "Shut up! Don't you know that me and you are both guilty and deserve this! But, Jesus has done nothing wrong! (To Jesus) Lord, remember me when you enter your kingdom." And How did Jesus reply to this thief? He said, "Surely I tell you, this day, you will be with me in paradise." Now, that thief didn't have anytime to show that he was changed. He didn't have to prove himself to Jesus or anyone else. My guess is Jesus knew his heart. The same as He knew if Bundy's or any other sinner's heart was true, whether they had time to show it or not.James did say that faith without works is dead. I believe that sure. But, I believe James' audience was Christians who were just living day by day without doing anything to further God's Kingdom. His message was meant to say, "Hey you guys claim to be following Jesus, but all your doing is sitting on your @$$es waiting for Heaven. Get out there and DO SOMETHING! Feed the homeless, take care of the sick, tell somebody about Jesus!" I like you too, Lois, but you have to realize that most people, intelligent or otherwise, need love and grace more than anything. Which is exactly what Jesus is offering them.

[donk4life 34]

This thread has covered politics, history, religion, science, and even a little astronomy. I like it.

[herokid7 0]

This thread has covered politics, history, religion, science, and even a little astronomy. I like it.

I noticed that too. Lol. It should be in a category all it's own. For the record, I never meant for it to get hijacked like it did. Just some guy mentioned that Ron Paul was a looney because he didn't believe in evolution. I just meant to point out that a lot of people in the country didn't believe in evolution. It snowballed from there. Sorry.

[jmkiser 0]

I noticed that too. Lol. It should be in a category all it's own. For the record, I never meant for it to get hijacked like it did. Just some guy mentioned that Ron Paul was a looney because he didn't believe in evolution. I just meant to point out that a lot of people in the country didn't believe in evolution. It snowballed from there. Sorry.

Added apologies with the hijackingness. Somehow, someway, I got into srs bsnss on teh intarwebs. I have to watch that :PAnd yes, people who don't believe in evolution are loony, but only because they don't believe in evolution.As much as I support Ron Paul, I still think he's one of the religious wackos But at least he's a personal liberty/free market wacko.

[El Guapo 8]

I like how Balloon guy posted how thank god Gore didn't get elected? How much worse can our country get right now, with your boy Bush in office???

If Gore became president, what would Bush have won the Nobel Peace Prize for?

[freak2304 0]

Wow, you capitalized Gore's name but not God. You may want to look into your value rating system there.And without Bush we could have been in much worse shape.

Words can not express how sad it is that Bushies never seem to waiver from him, even after he has lead the WORST administration in American history.

[freak2304 0]

This thread has covered politics, history, religion, science, small Kansas college towns, and even a little astronomy. I like it.

FYP

[donk4life 34]

Words can not express how sad it is that Bushies never seem to waiver from him, even after he has lead the WORST administration in American history.

Dude.. he's giving us money back.. lay off of him..

[Balloon guy 158]

Words can not express how sad it is that Bushies never seem to waiver from him, even after he has lead the WORST administration in American history.

you must be 8 cause anyone that lived through the Clinton years knows that that was the worst administration ever.Nothing done, phony hyped stock market, forged financial reports giving companies like Enron and WorldCom free reign to pilfer retirement funds, little to no effort to stop the growing terrorist threats, lying to a federal judge while under oath, lying to the American public, while waving his finger at us, pardons handed out for money, communist Chinese army making donations to democrat party with Algore being the bag man, Charlie Tree, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Janet Reno torching children at Waco, then sending in Special Forces to remove a child and send him off to communist Cuba...It's too painful to think about anymore.

[donk4life 34]

you must be 8 cause anyone that lived through the Clinton years knows that that was the worst administration ever.Nothing done, phony hyped stock market, forged financial reports giving companies like Enron and WorldCom free reign to pilfer retirement funds, little to no effort to stop the growing terrorist threats, lying to a federal judge while under oath, lying to the American public, while waving his finger at us, pardons handed out for money, communist Chinese army making donations to democrat party with Algore being the bag man, Charlie Tree, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Janet Reno torching children at Waco, then sending in Special Forces to remove a child and send him off to communist Cuba...It's too painful to think about anymore.

I think Warren G. Harding's administration would have something to say about that.As would Ulysses S. Grant's.

[Balloon guy 158]

I think Warren G. Harding's administration would have something to say about that.As would Ulysses S. Grant's.

Dang it..I knew someone would throw up Harding.Harding was the result of a liberal media witch hunt out to bring down a great man...Oh wait that was Bush..where are my Rush Limbaugh talking points sheets?

[ShakeZuma 585]

I think Warren G. Harding's administration would have something to say about that.As would Ulysses S. Grant's.

and don't get me started on Pierce. that sonofabitch needs to be impeached postmortem.

[donk4life 34]

and don't get me started on Pierce. that sonofabitch needs to be impeached postmortem.

That fucking doughface.. While were on the subject.. Fuck FDR too, that commie bastard

[freak2304 0]

you must be 8 cause anyone that lived through the Clinton years knows that that was the worst administration ever.Nothing done, phony hyped stock market, forged financial reports giving companies like Enron and WorldCom free reign to pilfer retirement funds, little to no effort to stop the growing terrorist threats, lying to a federal judge while under oath, lying to the American public, while waving his finger at us, pardons handed out for money, communist Chinese army making donations to democrat party with Algore being the bag man, Charlie Tree, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Janet Reno torching children at Waco, then sending in Special Forces to remove a child and send him off to communist Cuba...It's too painful to think about anymore.

Haha...it still cracks me up that Republicans are still SO PISSED that Clinton got a fucking blowjob in office. Maybe because he didn't get it from a gay escort, but I digress....(I know, cheap shot...but it's too easy)

[Miguel McHarris 0]

Harrison is the worst president ever.

Haha...it still cracks me up that Republicans are still SO PISSED that Clinton got a fucking blowjob in office. Maybe because he didn't get it from a gay escort, but I digress....(I know, cheap shot...but it's too easy)

Below the belt imo.

[BenSavage 0]

Never one to be shy about getting in the ring with someone such as you, I should say that you start off completely wrong. All things do not happen for a reason. In the life of a christian, yes.Are you saying everything in a Christian's life happens for a reason? God is just the puppetmaster to his sheep, not to the heathens. God, if I was God I would fark with the heathens more. But, that's probably a bit much for you. Let's blow you mind some more. State something is a fact, verifiable fact. That would blow my mind.The 52 person killer, while I cannot say 100% for sure he did not go to heaven I can say I am 99.9999999999% sure he did not go to heaven.If he accepted Jesus with all his heart, asked for forgiveness, repented, and then lived the rest of his life as Christ would, how could he not go to Heaven? Are you saying he can't change his heart, Jesus isn't strong enough to change him?Why, you ask? because we serve God with our minds. These people you speak of, well, there mid is warped. They cannot serve God. If God wants them to they can serve Him. Isn't he all powerful?Accepting Jesus isn't enoughThen explain the criminal next to Christ on the cross, he accepted him. And according to the Good Book he went to heaven., there is a life to be led, a heart that needs changing. If all you can think is "Jesus loves me, but man I wish I had knife right now so I could gut that guy and eat him" well, you ain't going to heaven. You are still the same person. Let me be clear here, and listen very closely- I have seen your posts, and they are sorely lacking in even a rudimentary understanding of christianity, and God. That is the point of religion. It's all in the interpretation, just look at you and creationist superboy. You disagree on a major part of Mr. Bundy's life. Heaven or Hell.Let's be a little clearer, shall we- you don't know diddly. You saying it doesn't make it true. Show me the facts.Now, that being said, I can, as always, help. Not getting the vibe that you are looking for that, though.You have nothing of substance, I don't want your brainwashing.

[BenSavage 0]

Of course there is such a thing as luck, anyone who has ever played poker knows that. The Bible doesn't say everything happens for a reason...that is purely a man-made philiosophy, mostly from taking certain verses from the Bible out of context.I would totally expect you to punch someone in the face if they told you everything was going to be alright if your kid had just died. I, unfortunately, have seen many parents' children taken from them at a far too young age. But, for those who are believers, there is a silver underlining, because the believers will get to see their children once again, that can be very comforting to someone. All evidence points to the unfortunate conclusion that those parents will never get to see their lost child again. It may be comforting, but that does not make it true. And I agree with you the drunk driver is not evil, but he should be punished by the law. But, I don't understand your next points. You say the man is not evil, but he is worthless in this world. Really? A man who drove drunk, which countless people do everyday, and some that do it only once in awhile, are all worthless? Or are they just worthless if they drive drunk and kill someone? A man that drives drunk and kills an innocent child is worthless in this life. Jesus may say otherwise, but that's how I see it.No, they made a mistake, broke the law, cost a young child their life, and added a lifetime of grief to the parents. Does that make them worthless, or just guilty of making a poor decision and suffering the consequences? Are you saying that that person could never be a contributing member of society because of one costly mistake?Sure go ahead, if the law lets him go I would hope he would make something of his life. But that doesn't take away the mistake he made, that is eternal.Now, it sounds to me like in your next statement, that you wouldn't mind some getting better, getting out of prison, and contributing to society, as long as Jesus wasn't the cause of their rehabilitation...why? No Jesus is ok if it helps them become a better person. But no one should be pardoned for just accepting Jesus.Because, if Jesus is the cause of their rehabilitation, they will go to Heaven, and you don't think they deserve that? It would be ok for someone to get out, contribute to society, and then go to hell? Is that what justice is to you?Why wouldn't you want to be apart of Heaven if a man like Ted Bundy can confess and get in? Why? How about the 30+ innocent women that he strangled to death. No amount of Jesus can take that away. To me, that's a sign of an amazing God with amazing love, forgiveness, and grace, to let a man like that in Heaven. No matter what we do, God will take us in, and all we have to do his accept his son? That's it. Yeah, that's why people like it. You always got a Jesus card in your back pocket.You don't want to be apart of that. You don't want someone to love you like that? Wow.That's up to J-Dawg.The thing you have to realize is the reality of Jesus' sacrifice. When Jesus died he LITERALLY took on every sin that everyone who has, is, and will ever live into his form. Jesus took our place. God could not even look at him, because the sin disgusted him. Our sin disgusted God. Our sin that was now that Jesus was now the embodiment of. He paid the price we were supposed to pay. He took Ted Bundy's sins. When Ted accepted Jesus, that became a reality. No longer did Ted commit all those murders, but Jesus did. Jesus was the one that commited all those murders. And that's why Jesus had to die, and that's why Ted, and the rest of us who have sinned, can be with God in Heaven. That's the beauty that so many of us miss.How convenient.But, you would rather burn with those people in Hell.Uh, Yeah! I hear they have an incredible band. Janis Joplin on vocals, Hendrix shredding, John Bonham on drums...Well, by all means that's your right and your choice. The sad part is, the Bible is true, you will be all alone in Hell....everyone has there own separate hell, you don't get to see your buddies down there while you all burn together. Show me the Scripture that says everyone has their own separate Hell.You are completely alone, and the worst part is not the fire, the worst part is the separation from God. The separation from God, that you didn't have to endure, if you had just allowed God's son to take your place...but, like I said, that's your right and your choice.Ok, you win. I'll accept Jesus. But only if I get a free PS3 with the deal. I saw a deal like that online.

[herokid7 0]

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree. If it's comforting to the parents of the dead girl, if they get to live their lives with even the expectation of seeing their dead daughter alive again, really, who cares if it's true or not. At least then they can live out the rest of their lives with some sort of hope, in some kind of peace.I don't think someone who accepts Jesus should be pardoned. When we sin on this earth, some of those sins have consequences. When we commit a sin that has a certain consequence of this earth we have to serve it. I. E., a prison sentence, a STD, a fine, humiliation, etc.No matter what you've done Jesus can cover those sins, no matter how dispicable. Jesus can take every sin away. Every one.I doubt that the bands you mentioned can find the time to play in Hell.I have a question for you. Why do you think you're more righteous than Ted Bundy? Because you didn't murder 30+ people? Okay. Well, then where does your moral code come from? How come you see murder as evil, but let's say lying, is not as bad? If God did not create the earth, where did we get these morals? If it's all just a random occurence as to why we are here, then those women's lives that Bundy took, are very inconsequential. If life as we know it is an accident, then Bundy was well within his rights to murder those people. Because, if God did not create us for a purpose and the only reason we are here is luck, then that means life is not sacred and killing a person is no more wrong than stepping on a cockroach.

[herokid7 0]

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree. If it's comforting to the parents of the dead girl, if they get to live their lives with even the expectation of seeing their dead daughter alive again, really, who cares if it's true or not. At least then they can live out the rest of their lives with some sort of hope, in some kind of peace.I don't think someone who accepts Jesus should be pardoned. When we sin on this earth, some of those sins have consequences. When we commit a sin that has a certain consequence of this earth we have to serve it. I. E., a prison sentence, a STD, a fine, humiliation, etc.No matter what you've done Jesus can cover those sins, no matter how dispicable. Jesus can take every sin away. Every one.I doubt that the bands you mentioned can find the time to play in Hell.I have a question for you. Why do you think you're more righteous than Ted Bundy? Because you didn't murder 30+ people? Okay. Well, then where does your moral code come from? How come you see murder as evil, but let's say lying, is not as bad? If God did not create the earth, where did we get these morals? If it's all just a random occurence as to why we are here, then those women's lives that Bundy took, are very inconsequential. If life as we know it is an accident, then Bundy was well within his rights to murder those people. Because, if God did not create us for a purpose and the only reason we are here is luck, then that means life is not sacred and killing a person is no more wrong than stepping on a cockroach.